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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 05:54:42 2017 No.95776969 View Reply Original Report

If there are an infinite amount of Ricks and Morty's, shouldn't half of them be female?

Are the writers trying to tell us something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 05:56:46 No.95777000 Report

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>>95776969
Does not follow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 05:57:02 No.95777004 Report

Quoted By: >>95777124 >>95777366 >>95780660

>>95776969
infinite / 2 = still infinite
l though R&M fans were smart

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 05:59:44 No.95777045 Report

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>>95776969
no matter how many universes there are the nature of a individual, no matter what he or she has gone through will not change
rick and morty are men will be for infinite universes be men or they cease to be rick and morty

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:00:01 No.95777055 Report

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>>95776969
Rick being Rick could mean that he needed to be male to become who he is. The few FemRicks that exist are a product of extreme circumstance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:04:16 No.95777099 Report

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>>95776969
most likely, they have their own society or citadel. and they'll probably be revealed to be even more godlike than rick just like how the woman were civilized and the men were just for seed. It's a comment on manhood. Only the male ricks are super damaged. thats what makes the penultimate episode this season so daft.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:05:15 No.95777118 Report

Quoted By: >>95783728 >>95783777

Lizard Morty is the cutest.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:05:45 No.95777124 Report

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>>95777004
I'm not a fan though.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:13:56 No.95777197 Report

Quoted By: >>95777273 >>95782034

>>95777124
Ok
Youre just stupid then
Gotcha

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:19:43 No.95777239 Report

Quoted By: >>95777280 >>95777288 >>95777308 >>95781912

>>95776969
In the Simple Rick's commercial, it's mentioned that Simple Rick's timeline is something like fifty deviations from the baseline curve, implying that there;s kind of a standard template that the majority of R&M's don't stray too far from. Large deviations from the norm, like gender swaps, are probably less common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:23:25 No.95777273 Report

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>>95777197
Few people are as intelligent as Rick and Morty fans like yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:24:08 No.95777280 Report

Quoted By: >>95777424 >>95781873

>>95777239
So was it a deep voiced rick or morty that did that commercial?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:25:04 No.95777288 Report

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>>95777239

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:26:50 No.95777308 Report

Quoted By: >>95777382 >>95777424 >>95780660

>>95776969
>>95777239
The central finite curve implies that is a specific finite set of universes which Rick has access to. It;s necessary to make the setting make sense.

However, If you read the authors' official explanation (only a certain set of universes that "aren't too weird" are used) it's obvious they don't understand math and infinity. The subset of universes which are similar to Rick's original should still be infinite, so that doesn't solve anything. The only way to really justify the show's practical mechanics is that although infinite possibilities exist, the portal gun is limited to a certain finite selection of them. All the times Rick talks about "infinite possibilities" he's just being hyperbolic and pretentious, since although there is a universe where any certain thing has happened, it's not like he can access it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:26:52 No.95777309 Report

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>>95776969
Infinite possibilities =/= Infinite results
There are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but 3 is not one of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:28:00 No.95777325 Report

Quoted By: >>95777355

>>95776969

The Reginas all have their own Citadel. It's exactly the same; the only reason for the division is that neither side was willing to give on the "Citadel of Ricks and Reginas" vs. "Citadel of Reginas and Ricks" debate.

In general, Ricks have Mortys and Reginas have Morticias. Whenever there's a mix-matched pair, the two Citadels arrange an exchange because the Mortys and Morticias always end up fucking within an hour if you let them interact with each other.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:29:59 No.95777345 Report

Quoted By: >>95777442 >>95777514 >>95782735

A female version of Doofus Rick shows up for one panel of the comic.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:30:38 No.95777352 Report

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There is probably a citadel composed entirely of female Ricks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:31:12 No.95777355 Report

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>>95777325
That's nice, but remember to post it to fanfiction.net.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:32:18 No.95777366 Report

Quoted By: >>95777411 >>95777442 >>95781190 >>95781948

>>95777004
Not a fan, but I'll play doubles advocate for that anon. I would imagine that on paper infinity / 2 doesn't exist. However, I think chaos theory would make it so that if you were observing them, roughly half would be female. Now if you include other realistic shit that 'infinite alternate versions' would include, like versions who have mutated so badly, they are indistinguishable in any way, hermaphrodite versions, versions who don't have a sex (like that one episode of Star Trek TNG where an alien falls in love with Ryker, and goes female for him).

But who gives a shit, its a cartoon made by a depressed dude and his friend who gets drunk too much. There's no super special meanings, its all for entertainment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:32:19 No.95777367 Report

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>>95777309
That’s a false equivalency.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:33:23 No.95777382 Report

Quoted By: >>95777405 >>95777489 >>95777513

>>95777308
>pretending you understand something that isn't even actually real like infinite universes
let's be real here for a second, even if these things don't exist we can speculate "what would happen" if they existed, like this show does, and on some matters like the infinite there is no way to speculate what is wrong and what isn't

from my point of view, their idea is valid, notice how when Rick swapped universes he said "I can't do that every week there's like only two or three left of these".

So even if there are infinite universes, the number of universes where Rick is smart enough to travel through universes might be finite.

Also, the fact there is more than one universe that is an exact copy of C-137 Rick's alleged original universe is almost definitive proof that Evil Morty is C-137 Morty

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:33:42 No.95777387 Report

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>>95776969
most of these Ricks and Mortys are about one deviation from the originals.

being female versions count as a deviation in itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:35:06 No.95777405 Report

Quoted By: >>95777482

>>95777382
>Also, the fact there is more than one universe that is an exact copy of C-137 Rick's alleged original universe is almost definitive proof that Evil Morty is C-137 Morty
Explain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:35:20 No.95777407 Report

Quoted By: >>95777763

>>95776969
YOU AREN'T THE SAME PERSON IF YOU ARE GENDER SWAPPED BECAUSE Y AND X CHROMSOMES ARE DIFFERENT.

I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU = YOU GENETICALLY. YOU AREN'T YOU ANY MORE IF YOU HAVE DIFFERENT GENES AND THERE ARE A WHOOOOLLLLLEEEE BUNCH MORE GENES ON THE X CHROMOSOME COMPARED TO THE Y CHROMOSOME BUDDY

HERMAPHRODITES ARE POSSIBLE (if you interrupt the pathway or due to exogenous hormones) AND PEOPLE WHO LOOK FEMALE BUT AREN'T GENETICALLY FEMALE (eg androgen insensitivity maybe somehow due to an early somatic cell mutation resulting in mosaicism)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:35:30 No.95777411 Report

Quoted By: >>95777458

>>95777366
You're like a huge retard. Please study up on set theory. A set with half the objects of an infinite set is still infinite.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:36:44 No.95777424 Report

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>>95777280
Maybe, or maybe a Rick using a voice changing device.

>>95777308
I'd love to read that explanation if you have a link!

Maybe there are a finite but expanding number of universes? The show uses timeline/universe kind of interchangeably. Maybe certain actions cause a new timeline to split off from one of the already existing ones. You could still call that "infinite".

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:38:36 No.95777442 Report

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>>95777366
You know whay, fuck that, i take it back. here's a better answer for everyone. Just tell yourself this is one of the infinite universes where the entire citadel is male except for Easter eggs like Gravity falls or one shot gags like
>>95777345

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:39:23 No.95777452 Report

Quoted By: >>95777471

>>95776969
female ricks weren't intelligent enough to invent portal travel due to the fact that women are generally less intelligent than men. The "pinnacle" ricks that made it to the citadel usually didn't have the mental handicap of being female. There, solved it for you retard.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:39:52 No.95777458 Report

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>>95777411
I'm not saying they aren't. I'm saying what you can see will be finite, and you can base statistics observing that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:40:54 No.95777471 Report

Quoted By: >>95777490 >>95777503

>>95777452
No it's because they aren't the same people you fucking retard, and are probably going to their own lesbian citadel at this moment.

If you have two people who look the same, speak the same, act the same and absolutely everything but have totally different genes THEY. ARE. DIFFERENT. PEOPLE.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:42:05 No.95777482 Report

Quoted By: >>95777677

>>95777405
/co/ probably already discussed this theory to death (even though I never saw it posted here) but basically

Terminology
Original Rick = C-137 Rick = The Rickest of Ricks
Original Morty = Morty that currently follows Rick
C-137 Morty = Morty from Original Rick's original universe (C-137 Universe) = The Mortiest of Morties

The show starts with the premise that Rick was missing for 20 years. Morty is 14, meaning that would be his first time interacting with Rick.

At the same time, when Evil Morty is inside Rick's mind at S01E10, we get to see memories of Rick interacting with baby Morty, which seems to be C-137 Morty. We see a picture of something similar to that at S02E05.

This would be impossible in the universe we're watching since Rick was missing for 20 years.

The most likely explanation to this is that Rick was originally from another universe, the actual C-137 universe. He had a special relationship with Morty there since he didn't disappear for 20 years as you can see in his memories and pictures. But it seems like something went wrong, so he had to move to another universe, that one you see in the first episode of the series.

Original Morty erroneously calls himself C-137 Morty but this is impossible even considering Rick implied, when first swapping universes, that he had done it before. The real C-137 Morty is probably Evil Morty.

How is this related to the fact there are multiple alleged C-137 Universes? If there were, then we'd have multiple Rickiest Ricks, and surely this would show at some point in the series. I'm guessing the universes in which Rick disappears for 20 years have not-so-smart Ricks and not-so-morty Morties.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:42:21 No.95777483 Report

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It's possible that Rick only ever meant there's a limited number of times they can slip into a new universe under relatively decent circumstances. 1st time was the originals dieing after fixing the overall problem with the last universe.

In a last ditch effort, he could easily slip into a universe of a Rick he got killed in the season 3 premiere, just he and Morty would have been missing for however long since that incident happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:42:51 No.95777489 Report

Quoted By: >>95777504

>>95777382
>So even if there are infinite universes, the number of universes where Rick is smart enough to travel through universes might be finite.
No. If there are infinite universes, that means you have multiple universes which are identical to each other in every way. If each universe had to be unique, they would then be finite, because every different combination of matter in the universe is also finite (albeit very large). There is a very big difference between infinite and non-infinite, even when talking about stupendously large numbers such as this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:42:52 No.95777490 Report

Quoted By: >>95777508

>>95777471
>can't handle the fact that intelligent people tend to be men and lashes out
never change /co/mblr

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:44:08 No.95777503 Report

Quoted By: >>95777515 >>95777587

>>95777471
But we've seen at least one female Morty in the citadel, and several Ricks who're genetically different from our Rick, like pic related

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:44:09 No.95777504 Report

Quoted By: >>95777532 >>95777538

>>95777489
There are infinite numbers between 1 and 2 but only one of them is 1,500000... for example

Even if there are infinite universes there doesn't need to exist an infinite copy of every single individual unit that uniquely composes this infinite universes group

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:44:35 No.95777508 Report

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>>95777490
>can't handle the fact that two people who don't have the same genetic code aren't the same people
It's like the /sci/ equivalent of saying that you are the same person as your fucking dad. Truly, fans like you have the highest IQ.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:45:07 No.95777513 Report

Quoted By: >>95777532 >>95780384

>>95777382
I don't think you understand what "infinite" means. Once infinite is introduced into any scenario, all possible outcomes also become infinite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:45:08 No.95777514 Report

Quoted By: >>95778136 >>95778903

>>95777345
I would female Jerry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:45:12 No.95777515 Report

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>>95777503
2bh for all we know these "different" Ricks and Morties could have gotten that way in some adventure

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:46:09 No.95777530 Report

Quoted By: >>95777591

>>95776969

The Citadel finds new Ricks based on their genetic code being identical or near identical.
The moment you throw in another X chromosome, it becomes harder to lock on to them.

Plus, Rick is notorious for thinking less of women, and Rick hates himself.
It stands to reason that femRick would hate men as well as herself.

Put those two things together on a space station, and they'll be too busy flinging shit at each other to get anything done.
This is why the citadel is nothing but Rick and Morty, and the occasional Morticia.
There's likely a separate citadel out there filled with femRicks and Morticias, with the occasional Morty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:46:16 No.95777532 Report

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>>95777513
>>95777504

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:46:54 No.95777538 Report

Quoted By: >>95777554

>>95777504
anon, stop repeating that one fact you heard somewhere. I know it makes you feel smart, but it doesn't prove your point at all.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:47:04 No.95777543 Report

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they have their own Citadel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:48:31 No.95777554 Report

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>>95777538
Nice rebuttal faggot, here's your last (you)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:51:48 No.95777587 Report

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>>95777503
When you have a sperm and egg it fuses into a zygote. The zygote can undergo spontaneous mutation which results in mutated cells that replicate and give rise to other mutated cells resulting in a person who who looks different but came out of the same genetic soup. The other option is that you can tell genes to shut up, so that even if you are the same genes as everyone else, you can look different.

And you might tell the genes required to produce male hormones to shut up or tell the genes required to receive the male hormones to shut up, so you can look female and still be genetically male.

Or being Rick and Morty, they might have started out being the same person but decided to switch to some other gender or something.

I suppose it depends on what you count as you. You with a X chromosome instead of a Y chromosome is technically not you genetically. And we don't count identical twins who are raised in exactly the same family as the same person either. So when do you stop being you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:51:56 No.95777591 Report

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>>95777530
I remember in another RandM thread is postulated that the Citadel of Male Ricks and the Citadel of Female Ricks are separate because Male and Female Rick and Mortys tend to start fucking, and no one wants the self-incest babies.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:54:21 No.95777628 Report

Quoted By: >>95777643 >>95777677 >>95777684 >>95777868 >>95778134 >>95780660 >>95781066

The whole infinite shit in this show really doesn't make much sense, if you consider it for a little while.

Think about it: every single version of Rick (or any character, for that matter) is merely a slight variation on their normal personality. Why is every single Rick a scientist? There should be infinite businessman ricks, infinite farmer ricks, infinite ISIS terrorist ricks, infinite school teacher ricks, and so on. There should be infinite versions of rick with infinite different personalities and possess infinitely completely different awareness levels, intelligence, stamina, species, and infinite other level of different variations that could possibly ever be conceived. They basically aren't even the same person. This is applicable to any character/entity in the show. There could be infinite God-being Jerry's who infinitely meet up. You see what I mean? It's a little bit weird and redundant that all Ricks in existence of the show are all intelligent scientists like the main character.

Not that I want to debate hard mathematics, the concept of infinity actually existing, etc, but surely this must have been something you've at least considered. Hahah, yes I know, overthinking a sci-fi comedy show. I'll let it slide.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:55:30 No.95777643 Report

Quoted By: >>95777661 >>95777684 >>95780660

>>95777628
b-b-but anon, the set of numbers between 1-2 is infinite! that proves you wrong!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:57:23 No.95777661 Report

Quoted By: >>95781066

>>95777643
Again, let's not get into that debate. Let's not pretend any of us are particularly knowledgeable on something so abstract and unknowable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:57:44 No.95777666 Report

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A female Rick wouldn't be evil because women are only ever bad due to being influenced by the patriarchy. They also can't burp in public so there goes most of Ricks personality.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:58:44 No.95777677 Report

Quoted By: >>95777695

>>95777482
>How is this related to the fact there are multiple alleged C-137 Universes?
It's possible the Cronenberg'd universe isn't C-137, Original Morty only refers to himself as Morty C-137 because he's parroting what Rick said.

OR, Rick isn't C-137. I've seen a few theories that our Rick is something like A-001, the Rick from which every universe derives itself.

>>95777628
There's a comic that deals with a genius Morty (pic related) who mentions a Citadel of Morties, implying that there ARE multiple citadels for different characters

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:58:48 No.95777679 Report

Quoted By: >>95781177

Is it me or was the worst mistake the show made straying from "timid boy and psychopathic, jaded grandpa go on alien adventures" formula? The whole Council of Ricks thing and using other dimensions to solve every problem ever just made everything pointless

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 06:59:24 No.95777684 Report

Quoted By: >>95777700

>>95777628
You need to be a scientist in order to get to the Citadel in the first place, but if there are infinite realities, some Rick might accidentally get there because they arranged their fish and chips in a specific way or something. The show I don't think deals with true infinity.

>>95777643
Attractor fields like in Steins Gate or something?

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:00:07 No.95777687 Report

Quoted By: >>95777698 >>95777723 >>95777727 >>95779051 >>95783746

Here's a simplified version of how infinite works - applied to Rick & Morty - for 4chan.

Everyone brought this example many times already so let's use it. Imagine the infinite between 1 and 2. There are infinite numbers between these. Note that:

a) None of them are 0 or 3;
b) None of them will repeat themselves;
c) They are infinite for as much as they keep infinitely approaching - yet never reaching - 1 and 2

Apply this to the series. Imagine that there are infinite Ricks and Morties, but that they are all within a set of acceptable deviations that a Rick or a Morty could have.

It is difficult to measure someone's personality with numbers, but let's imagine, for the sake of this example, that the "minimum" of a Rick would still be a scientist, although a very stupid one, like Simple Rick. And let's also imagine that the maximum Rick would be, well, C-137 Rick, the "Rickiest of Ricks".

This means you have a number of infinite Ricks, but they will all be between Simple Rick and Rickiest Rick. Infinitely approaching them, but never going beyond them.

Apply this to the series. I do believe Rickiest Rick is one of the bounds. As for the other one, I don't think it's Simple Rick, it might be a even more stupid version of Rick, one that is so stupid it can't even travel through universes.

Does the show still have inconsistencies? Yes, but they are not the ones that are being pointed in this thread, it is perfectly possible for there to be no female iterations of them, or for there to be only a limited number of Ricks in the citadel

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:01:18 No.95777695 Report

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>>95777677
>It's possible the Cronenberg'd universe isn't C-137, Original Morty only refers to himself as Morty C-137 because he's parroting what Rick said.
Exactly

When Rick warped out of Cronenberg universe, he implied he had done that in the past. So it was implied Current Morty wasn't Rick's original Morty even before the memories of him holding Morty as a child

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:01:32 No.95777698 Report

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>>95777687
Ricks are also going to be travelling in and out of the Citadel - the ones that weren't permafucked, so what you see isn't necessarily all of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:01:40 No.95777700 Report

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>>95777684
>Attractor fields like in Steins Gate or something?
You mean that only specific (aka plot convenient) outcomes are possible because reasons? I mean that would work, but it's also bad writing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:04:40 No.95777723 Report

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>>95777687
That's transfinite, not infinite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:04:45 No.95777727 Report

Quoted By: >>95777750 >>95777764

>>95777687
>or for there to be only a limited number of Ricks in the citadel
No there can't. By your own explanation, there should be an infinite number of Ricks between the Rickiest Rick (lets call him Rick 1) and some other slightly less Ricky Rick (let's call him Rick 2). Since both Rick 1 and 2 are in the citadel, the entire infinite subset between 1-2 should also be there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:07:28 No.95777750 Report

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>>95777727
The Citadel already seems particularly overpopulated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:07:39 No.95777752 Report

Quoted By: >>95777809 >>95777818

>>95776969
If they were female they wouldn't be Rick.
Sex chromosome is carried by the sperm.
A different sperm reaching the egg results in an entirely different person not an alternate version of you.
There could be some AIS or trap Ricks though.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:09:25 No.95777763 Report

Quoted By: >>95777818 >>95777832

>>95777407
You aren't you if you have different experiences, either. Nurture plays a nontrivial role in human development. Just don't think about it.

There's at least one canon female Morty, by the way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:09:28 No.95777764 Report

Quoted By: >>95777815

>>95777727
That's a valid assertion, but Rick specifies in the Cronenberg episode that there are only "two or three more universes like this one". By your own logic, we can assume that, between two of these universes, there'd be infinite iterations of them, yet there aren't, though I'll admit this could be one of the show's inconsistencies

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:12:23 No.95777799 Report

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Has anyone put the "please be patient I have autism" hat on Rick yet?

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:12:27 No.95777800 Report

Quoted By: >>95777853

The concept of infinite universes is flawed in itself, there is no way this show (or any other) could apply it properly, it's an awful - albeit interesting - theory for describing reality, but it's just one of the many theories that attempts to deny intelligent design by imposing an deus ex machina that is practically the equivalent of intelligent design except for (usually) employing luck/probability instead of a Creator

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:13:02 No.95777809 Report

Quoted By: >>95777818

>>95777752
You can technically roll all the same chromosomes except the Y via independent assortment during anaphase I for the sperm and the same egg - but I still don't count that as the same person.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:13:59 No.95777815 Report

Quoted By: >>95777836

>>95777764
Rick's behavior makes clear that the universes he can portal to are very limited and finite. I was just responding to the other anon trying to justify the universes being limited and infinite simultaneously, which is clearly not the case. It could hypothetically be so, but not in the way it's portrayed in the show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:14:07 No.95777818 Report

Quoted By: >>95777826

>>95777752
>>95777809
see >>95777763

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:15:00 No.95777826 Report

Quoted By: >>95777850

>>95777818
I stick by the AIS explanation to explain fem Morty

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:15:27 No.95777832 Report

Quoted By: >>95777850

>>95777763
>There's at least one canon female Morty, by the way.
No there isn't. It could have just been a male Morty wearing a dress. It didn't look like your pic at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:15:57 No.95777836 Report

Quoted By: >>95777887

>>95777815
But is it limited because of the portal gun's limitations or because it's not really infinite?

You'd assume Rick would have found a way to reach the other universes by now, if his portal gun was limited. That seems like a important ability to have since it'd give him infinite backup universes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:17:19 No.95777847 Report

Quoted By: >>95782735

Reminder there can't be infinite citadels

It seems like all Ricks just hivemindedly "agreed" on which universe would contain the citadel. It is probably related to the portal gun's mechanics. So yeah, only one citadel will exist, unless there is a group of dumb Ricks that warped to the wrong universe and still made a citadel there (very unlikely)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:17:32 No.95777850 Report

Quoted By: >>95777881 >>95777948

>>95777826
>"This Morty is from a dimension where her mother's womb was 32.54 degrees warmer during the early stages of gastrulation. The moon was also 384,900 km away. That matters folks."

>>95777832
It's from Pocket Mortys, you dip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fPOzX6PTHE&t=38m43s

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:17:46 No.95777853 Report

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>>95777800
>Creator
You haven't been paying paying attention to the show, Morty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:19:26 No.95777865 Report

Quoted By: >>95777871

>everyone assuming this one female morty is really "female morty" instead of - which is much more likely - assuming he just swapped genders in one of his adventures

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:19:43 No.95777868 Report

Quoted By: >>95777886

>>95777628
It's just make-believe bullshit anon, it doesn't have to be scientifically accurate, just entertaining.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:20:03 No.95777871 Report

Quoted By: >>95783722

>>95777865
It plainly says that the Morty was born female and explains the reason why.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:21:13 No.95777881 Report

Quoted By: >>95777892

>>95777850
Pocket Morty isn't canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:21:31 No.95777886 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777868
Why would you try to kill the discussion like this? It's very interesting, not many shows get to have discussions like this

Not even going full "this is such an intelligent discussion for an intelligent show", it's just interesting, that's all. Everyone here is completely uneducated on this field yet it is fun to speculate about infinity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:21:32 No.95777887 Report

Quoted By: >>95777913

>>95777836
I agree with some random ass youtube video. His portal gun is basically a map of known regions. Any universe uninhabitable can't come through and any in which he didn't discover portals don't get added. Every Rick that reaches the Citadel contributes the co-ordinates creating a map. But then how does the Blender Dimension get added?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:22:03 No.95777892 Report

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>>95777881
Did you not click the thing I linked?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:23:24 No.95777909 Report

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>>95776969
>that Rick carrying a his Morty on his shoulders

D'awww....

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:23:32 No.95777913 Report

Quoted By: >>95777929 >>95777952

>>95777887
I don't know, how would they first build the citadel if no portal gun can reach it until it is "connected" to the map of universes?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:24:58 No.95777929 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777913
You are right.
Maybe he randomly guessed right for the Citadel and didn't kill himself in the process.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:26:40 No.95777948 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777850
Mostly this sort of thing tends to happen in amphibians and reptiles (temperature related sex determination)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:27:03 No.95777952 Report

Quoted By: >>95777974 >>95779106

>>95777913
Thinking about it now, isn't it weird that the portal gun can travel to other universes? I mean, in the Cronenberg episode Rick had to use a special machine to swap universes, why didn't he just use the portal gun? The portal gun would make much more sense if it could only travel within his own universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:29:06 No.95777974 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777952
Citadel Ricks reach through different universes with the portal gun all the time, C-137 Rick does that too.

You could possibly argue that the Citadel is located in universe C-137 (or whichever is that universe)??? But then how do other Ricks reach the citadel? Are they abducted by the citadel itself?

Maybe he used a machine because he had to be extremely accurate? Or maybe the portal gun has limitations?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:29:41 No.95777982 Report

Quoted By: >>95778216

>>95776969
There is a running theory that c137 Rick(or whoever he his) accidentally created the multiverse and that's why all the Ricks are male and for the most part some level of genius, because that Rick is subject zero and is the bases of all Ricks, hence why that Rick seems to think so highly over all the other Ricks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:34:50 No.95778041 Report

Quoted By: >>95778146

Anyone else hated the new citadel?

Originally it seemed to be an outpost for ricks and morties, like a pitstop, possibly counting with the council which would fight threats to the existence of ricks and morties.

Now it is just a huge mess that limits their potential

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:37:41 No.95778066 Report

Quoted By:

Considering that these things supposedly go on from the dawn of time, there needs to be some serious pruning, Bokurano- style.

Mostly just used to show versions of a single character anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:43:04 No.95778134 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777628
Well if there was any truth to rick's fake origin in the season opener, the council of ricks goes around giving ricks portal guns. Maybe they only choose ricks that are scientifically inclined or maybe the simply giving a rick a portal gun is enough to push them into super-science

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:43:19 No.95778136 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777514
You'd female anything.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:44:07 No.95778146 Report

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>>95778041
Any time you see a place mentioned to have been the Citadel, in an advanced civilisation, colonised by some of the most intelligent minds in the fictional universe, and their elite class are dressed in funny clothes and who purposefully separate themselves from the rest of the universe: you can just assume that they are bunch of No Fun Allowed cretins and the MC is on the run from them because otherwise there would be no issues for them to solve (and no plot).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 07:50:40 No.95778216 Report

Quoted By: >>95780283

>>95777982
I disagree with this theory because it makes c-137 rick even more of a powerwank than the show has been doing. I thought in the first council episode they explained that this rick is just the most evil-aligned rick they haven't killed yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 08:50:33 No.95778903 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777514
So Summer then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 09:08:39 No.95779051 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777687
I don't know where you faggots keep getting the idea that simple rick is stupid. He's simple rick because he prefers the simpler things in life
>whoops I meant doofus rick ;^)
Fuck off. It's always that dumbass excuse. Doofus rick isn't even stupid either, he's just a pussy. His character is too nice and docile

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 09:09:57 No.95779063 Report

Quoted By: >>95779134 >>95782658

>>95776969
Shouldn't there be an infinite number of Citadels of Ricks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 09:14:36 No.95779106 Report

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>>95777952
He did use the portal gun. Why do people that don't watch the show always try to talk about it? He used the machine to look for a suitable replacement and then portaled there with the portal gun. That was obvious the first time I saw it man how the fuck are you this bad at figuring shit out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 09:18:03 No.95779134 Report

Quoted By:

>>95779063
Why would there infinite citadels if the citadel was built specifically to be a place for infinite ricks to go to

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 09:37:54 No.95779302 Report

Quoted By:

>>95776969
All the universes of the Ricks in the citadel exist in the "central finite curve". Along with yellow shirts and lab coats, one of the constants seems to be Ricks gender being male.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 11:40:01 No.95780219 Report

Quoted By: >>95780232

>infinite realities
>there is a Rick who using his portal gun has captured hundreds of versions of the various girls or boys he or others have wanted to fuck over his infinite adventures and keeps them in a brothel for everyone in his family, to indulge in for money
>no restrictions on usage, since infinite timelines, so long as you have the cash for the merchandise
>Jessica is a common choice
>Stacy
>Tammy
>Annie
>Nancy for the more Sadistic Summers
>Gazorpians
>Tricia Lange
>Arthricia
>even Jerries, Summers, and Beths
>but no Ricks or Mortys, that's how he stays in business

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 11:41:33 No.95780232 Report

Quoted By:

>>95780219
HRRRRRRRRRRRNG!

There needs to be a Slave Trainer game of this.
Why is this show so prone to lewd shit when everyone is so ugly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 11:44:02 No.95780257 Report

Quoted By: >>95780396

>>95776969
if there are infinite realities with infinite iterations of Ricks, does that mean there are infinite iterations of the Citadel?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 11:46:38 No.95780283 Report

Quoted By:

>>95778216
In the same episode Rick use terms that implied he was the original mold and they were all weak ass copies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 11:55:14 No.95780381 Report

Quoted By:

Everyone itt is retarded and should never attempt to speak of math, probability, or set theory ever again.

I think someone also managed to bring in a misconceived chaos theory.

A set having infinite members tells you nothing of its contents. Infinite universes does not mean anything you can conceive exists/occurred in that set of universes.

Only what can exist does exist and what can exist in this context is 100% arbitrary

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 11:55:24 No.95780384 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777513
What makes an outcome possible is key here. There are infinite numbers between 0 and 1, but none of them is 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 11:56:47 No.95780396 Report

Quoted By: >>95781130

>>95780257
>if there are infinite realities
Go on
>with infinite ricks
No, Ricks only exist within the finite rational curve, there is a limited number

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 11:59:15 No.95780423 Report

Quoted By:

Canon answer is don't think about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 12:28:00 No.95780660 Report

Quoted By:

>If there are an infinite amount of Ricks and Morty's, shouldn't half of them be female?

Not necessarily. Infinite isn't all encompasing.

>>95777004
Why the FUCK would you think that?

>>95777308
No. The ACTUAL limitiations to the possibilities is the possibilities that make sense for whatever narrative is going on at the time.

>>95777628
>>95777643
Infinite doesn't mean evenly distributed.
At least use the right metaphor if you're going to be a retard. Rather than infinte between 1 and 2, infinite between 1.25 and 2. And the infinite between 1.25 isn't the same number as the infinite between 1.5 and 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 12:35:18 No.95780730 Report

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>>95776969
if you use a branching style theory that starts when rick was born then maybe only the male ones are genius and the smart bits where in the y chromosome

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:00:31 No.95781022 Report

Quoted By:

>>95776969
Maybe female Ricks have their own citadel and hardly interact with their male counterparts

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:04:04 No.95781066 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777628
>Infinite means there should be...
NO. INFINITE MEMBERS TELLS YOU NOTHING ABOUT THE MEMBERS.

>>95777661
>lets not pretend any of us can understand infinity
Fuck you, faggot, some of us have taken calculus and set theory

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:10:25 No.95781130 Report

Quoted By: >>95781297

>>95780396
I'm sure there are more examples, but the last episode has Rick saying:
>this is happening infinite times across infinite realities
If there are infinite realities, there are infinite Ricks and frankly, infinite anything else. That's just how it works by definition of infinity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:13:42 No.95781161 Report

Quoted By:

>>95776969
In no universe with a female Rick would she have had a baby Beth, being such a nihilist Fem-Rick would have likely aborted the baby and left the daddy for an adventure somewhere and without Beth there would be no Summer and Morty.

Now without Morty Rick can be found by the Government(the brain wave thing he uses to hide with Morty), so in every universe where Rick's daughter didn't let Gerry dick her(twice!) then Rick dies after whatever he and Bird-Person and their mates did in their revolution because he's easy to find compared to the one of him hiding with Morty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:15:21 No.95781177 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777679
>made everything pointless
No, anon. Everything is and always has been pointless one way or another. I can't believe the central theme of the show that gets repeated ad nauseam still flies over /co/'s head like this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:16:35 No.95781190 Report

Quoted By: >>95781252 >>95781597

>>95777366
>doubles advocate

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:21:42 No.95781252 Report

Quoted By: >>95781597

>>95781190
pffft, give him a break, mistakes like that are a diamond dozen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:26:08 No.95781297 Report

Quoted By: >>95781621

>>95781130
>Rick is saying
Yeah, the writers aren't actually that smart anon. The show conflicts with itself if you try to analyze every retarded line.

Infinite members tells you nothing about the members themselves. Infinite universes does not necessarily mean infinite ricks. Until shown otherwise it could've meant exactly 1 rick, or 20 ricks, or 10,000 ricks. Infinite ricks is possible, but not granted, and would lead to quite a few paradoxes (why isn't there a rick travelling to c-137 to kill rick right now? why isn't there another rick traveling to stop him? and him? why isn't every atom in the universe a rick?)

They've already established that there is a finite rational curve - a finite number of universes where the laws of physics make enough sense that the universe is recognizable. If that number is finite then it follows that the number of ricks MUST be finite.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:29:36 No.95781333 Report

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>>95776969
>A person's sex is a purely aesthetic coin flip and has zero significant impact on the course of events in their lives or their biologically rooted preferences and predispositions

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:47:03 No.95781597 Report

Quoted By: >>95781620

>>95781190
>>95781252
Fuck off with the fuckin' puns!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:49:08 No.95781620 Report

Quoted By:

>>95781597

For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go.

Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:49:16 No.95781621 Report

Quoted By: >>95781733

>>95781297
And that is the problem right there. How can there be an infinite number of universes, yet a finite number of ones with Rick?

The real answer is that logically there can't, and Roiland/Harmon are misunderstand math. That means in-story there is a finite amount because reasons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 13:55:51 No.95781733 Report

Quoted By:

>>95781621
>And that is the problem right there. How can there be an infinite number of universes, yet a finite number of ones with Rick?
>the real answer is that logically there can't
Anon, stop being so fucking retarded.

There is no logic that says infinite universes means infinite ricks. That does not follow.

Yes, infinite universes means that everything that's possible must exist - BUT IN THIS CONTEXT WHAT IS POSSIBLE IS THE SAME AS WHAT IS EXISTENT AND THAT IS ARBITRARY.

WHAT IS POSSIBLE IS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT IS CONCEIVABLE

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 14:01:15 No.95781811 Report

Quoted By:

>>95776969
Then they wouldn't be Ricks and Mortys obviously

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 14:05:11 No.95781873 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777280
I'd wager Ricky Wonka just went to a random universe and kidnapped Sam Elliot to do the commercial

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 14:08:37 No.95781912 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777239
It's probably a normal curve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 14:10:11 No.95781933 Report

Quoted By: >>95783373

>>95776969
Retarded headcanon: All the female Ricks are witches, like Doctor Strange level warlocks, that just hang out in the opposite end of infinite

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 14:11:01 No.95781948 Report

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>>95777366
>doubles advocate
>gets dubs
thonk.jpg

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 14:16:57 No.95782034 Report

Quoted By: >>95782144

>>95777197
LOL!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 14:23:14 No.95782144 Report

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>>95782034
This is good, bordering on great.
We need a 'professor drops his chalk and the eagle flies in a sheds a tear called freedom' past aversion for R & M.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 14:55:36 No.95782658 Report

Quoted By:

>>95779063
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 15:00:50 No.95782735 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777847
If >>95777345 is canon chick Doofus Rick was headed to chick Rick citadel to kill chick Doofus Jerry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 15:37:09 No.95783373 Report

Quoted By:

>>95781933
I like it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 15:46:18 No.95783533 Report

Quoted By: >>95783872

>>95776969
>shouldn't half of them be female?
Then they wouldn't be Ricks or Mortys then, now would they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 15:55:17 No.95783722 Report

Quoted By:

>>95777871
NO ITS A TRANSGENDER MORTY YOU BIGOT HURR DURR

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 15:55:47 No.95783728 Report

Quoted By: >>95783777

>>95777118
yOU have toh ugh im to holdhimw arm
or give him a warm stone where he can lay on

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 15:56:39 No.95783746 Report

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>>95777687
>Simple rick is stupid.
Typical of a smug anime girl poster to fail to see true intelligence. Being happy with what you've been given.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 15:58:18 No.95783777 Report

Quoted By: >>95783893

>>95783728
>>95777118
got a stroke while writing this
this is what i mean:
You have to hug him to hold him warm
or give him a hot stone where he can lay on

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 16:03:51 No.95783872 Report

Quoted By:

>>95783533
Guess like many suggested, citadel of Ricks is more exclusive to scientist male rick, because it fits the rule/mindset of the citadel.
The other idea i read here is that this is just the infinite of scientist rick.
Sure its just storytelling but its fun to think or analyse that a little bit further.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 16:04:55 No.95783893 Report

Quoted By:

>>95783777
Thought you made a joke about lizardish. Bu ok anon. Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 17:34:05 No.95785535 Report

Quoted By:

Maybe the writers are just being sexist.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 17:53:11 No.95785952 Report

Quoted By: >>95786036 >>95786136 >>95786877 >>95786961

Explain this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 17:57:28 No.95786036 Report

Quoted By:

>>95785952
le infinite numbers from 1 to 2 tho!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 18:02:03 No.95786136 Report

Quoted By:

>>95785952
fusion-ha

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 18:41:43 No.95786877 Report

Quoted By:

>>95785952
They fused in a adventure

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 18:45:51 No.95786961 Report

Quoted By:

>>95785952
the ultimate rick..
He don't need to watch out for his morty and is still protected by his brainwaves...
GENIUS

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Oct 2017 18:45:54 No.95786963 Report

Quoted By:

>>95776969
There are infinite Ricks, and thus, infinite citadels. This citadel contains all the Ricks on this particular finite curve. Due to similarity, I imagine all the universes with female Ricks are probably close together on another finite curve.
That, or maybe they just don't visit the citadel or have their own somewhere.
>"THE ANSWER IS DON'T THINK ABOUT IT!"

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