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Anonymous Thu 01 Jul 19:05:37 2021 No.13347559 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13347579 >>13347587 >>13347605 >>13347945 >>13348651 >>13349258 >>13350042 >>13354201

>we can discuss the fact that we are conscious
>therefore consciousness can affect the physical world
>therefore consciousness is part of the physical world
>current physics can only explain how objects interact; it cannot account for subjective experiences
>therefore physics is incomplete until the hard problem of consciousness is solved

smegma

smegma Thu 01 Jul 2021 19:12:49 No.13347579 Report

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>>13347559
consciousness is an emergent property of neurons

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jul 2021 19:14:20 No.13347587 Report

Quoted By: >>13347597 >>13349049

>>13347559
>>we can discuss the fact that we are conscious
>>therefore consciousness can affect the physical world
Doesn't follow.

>>therefore physics is incomplete until the hard problem of consciousness is solved
Physics will always be incomplete.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jul 2021 19:16:21 No.13347597 Report

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>>13347587
>>>we can discuss the fact that we are conscious
>>>therefore consciousness can affect the physical world
How could we discuss consciousness if it wasn't physical? Please think about it for more than 5 seconds.

smegma

smegma Thu 01 Jul 2021 19:18:51 No.13347605 Report

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>>13347559
> current physics can only explain how objects interact; it cannot account for subjective experiences
?????? subjective experiences are induced by interactions between objects?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jul 2021 19:22:59 No.13347619 Report

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>>13347597
>How could we discuss consciousness if it wasn't physical?
How can we discuss ghosts? How can we discuss abstract concepts? Please think about it for more than 5 seconds. And that isn't even what I objected to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jul 2021 19:33:27 No.13347647 Report

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Consciousness emerges from the spontaneous transfer of entropy by exchange of qualions, gauge bosons of the consciousness field coupling to particle fields during the collapse of the wave function.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jul 2021 19:41:49 No.13347677 Report

Quoted By: >>13347960

I agree that it's hard to explain, but not because of the physics behind it. It's like trying to explain how an application like a Chrome works by watching the individual bits flip in your RAM & ROM

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jul 2021 21:01:51 No.13347945 Report

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>>13347559
If math is incomplete (godel) then wouldnt it follow that physics is too

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jul 2021 21:07:07 No.13347960 Report

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>>13347677
t. npc

if numbers can force a persistent concise being into reality all by themselves, the the universe needs to be destroyed. if consciousness is that simple then roko's basilisk is an inevitability

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Jul 2021 21:14:21 No.13347982 Report

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>>13347960
You're retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 00:05:42 No.13348651 Report

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>>13347559
Has anyone ever experienced ego death

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 00:07:23 No.13348666 Report

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information theory solves the hard problem of consciousness

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 02:15:31 No.13349049 Report

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>>13347587
>Physics will always be incomplete.

Incomplete relative to what? Omniscience? That is an invalid standard. We don't need to know everything to know something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 02:36:02 No.13349108 Report

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>>13348651
I have when I smoked Salvia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 02:43:42 No.13349130 Report

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>>13348651
Its not real. Just personalities exposing themselves through drugs.
People are already suspectible to that way of thinking, but during these drugs they think about it more
They were gonna come to that conclusion/act that way regardless.
Not to downplay the effects of said drugs, because you can definitely change from them, but ego death is pretty bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 02:49:19 No.13349145 Report

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>>13348651
its like instead of being you and thinking of the things you would think about, suddenly next thing you know you're an outside point of view watching this 'person' aka you. its like forcing a self meta perspective. what you chose to do there is up to you, many people just ignore it and stare at the pretty colors and shapes instead of using it to think about themselves or their lives and things like morality and life

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 02:59:17 No.13349182 Report

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>>13349130
Meditation though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 03:05:10 No.13349194 Report

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>>13348651
After my 9 day fast I think I had something similar. Wasn't even during, but a day or two after I started eating again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 03:18:25 No.13349233 Report

Quoted By: >>13349246

>>13349108
>>13349194
Learn anything about consciousness?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 03:24:08 No.13349246 Report

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>>13349233
Yes, but it's difficult to put into words. If you are willing to entertain a 'soul' or some higher aspect to consciousness then:

What I felt was as if my higher aspect were unfamiliar with my home that I've lived in for years, while my body was having its normal sense of familiarity. A very mixed, contradictory feeling. I felt almost like I had never been here before, while my body knew very well it's been here countless times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 03:30:23 No.13349258 Report

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>>13347559
Memory effects the world and runs parallel to consciousness, philosophical zombies would still reference eachothers memories for bureaucracy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 04:50:21 No.13349463 Report

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>>13349246
Interesting though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 09:22:23 No.13350042 Report

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>>13347559
>therefore consciousness can affect the physical world
How do you know this?
Consciousness might just be an awareness of decisions being taken by the physical brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 18:14:33 No.13351492 Report

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Still too early to tell

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Jul 2021 18:24:45 No.13351532 Report

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>>13349049
"Knowing something" isn't having complete knowledge of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Jul 2021 02:22:52 No.13353181 Report

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Bumperino

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Jul 2021 10:53:40 No.13354201 Report

Quoted By: >>13354930

>>13347559
You can not quantify consciousness, it´s just a phrase that we use to classify certain levels on the scale of intellegence in living beings

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Jul 2021 15:16:06 No.13354930 Report

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>>13354201
How do you explain subjective experiences? The fact that you are seeing life in the first-person?

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