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Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 02:20:09 2021 No.13321277 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13321579 >>13321793 >>13321821 >>13322052 >>13322075 >>13322419 >>13322598 >>13322904

Are Aryan artifacts really found all over the world?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 03:46:01 No.13321579 Report

Quoted By: >>13322598

>>13321277
Yes. It is a HIGE thorn in the side of real historians as they try to force a certain narrative,

No, SJW leftists, black people didn't invent shit and no other race looked to them for guidance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 04:06:09 No.13321665 Report

Quoted By: >>13321771 >>13322422

No, they're found in the area they historically inhabited, which is admittedly pretty big. A navajo pseudo swastika or a sumerian statuette with blue eyes aren't proof of anything for anyone other than retarded armchair historians.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 04:38:09 No.13321771 Report

Quoted By: >>13322598 >>13322900

>>13321665
They did historically inhabit the same area as the Sumerians at some point so the blue eyed art in that region is actually compelling evidence, although much weaker than the linguistic evidence connecting northern Europe and India.
I'd agree the swastika by itself doesn't necessarily mean that much though considering you could interpret it as an astronomical thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 04:54:25 No.13321793 Report

Quoted By: >>13321809 >>13322429 >>13322598

>>13321277
Aryans are a subgroup within the Indo-European linguistic group.

If your ancestors didn't speak Avestan or Sanskrit and didn't wander across central asia to Persia and the subcontinent.... they aren't aryan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 05:03:13 No.13321809 Report

Quoted By: >>13321829 >>13321975 >>13322432

>>13321793
The whole "Aryan" thing was started from purported genetic ties between certain tribes in Afghanistan and Europeans. Apparently Aryans did contribute some genetics to modern Europeans, but is this true?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 05:05:38 No.13321821 Report

Quoted By: >>13322436 >>13322598 >>13322900

>>13321277
Yes essentially everywhere, this is because the PIE people were basically everywhere and thus they have a cultural heritage to europeans.
That's why you find that kind of stuff in ancient India.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 05:07:11 No.13321829 Report

Quoted By: >>13321899 >>13321909 >>13321975 >>13322450

>>13321809
No.
the Rg Veda refers to the people led by Indra and Agni across the upper gangetic plain.

Linguistic ties and the incorrect assumption that old greek was derived from sanskrit made indologists and european schollars assume all Indo-Europeans were therefore aryan.

Europeans have as much claim to being 'aryan' as Mr Patel does to being Roman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 05:35:09 No.13321899 Report

Quoted By: >>13321952 >>13322501 >>13322900

>>13321829
The linguistic evidence is so strong you have to be an idiot or politically motivated to not see it. The word for horse was exactly the same in 1800s Lithuania and Sanskrit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 05:37:44 No.13321909 Report

Quoted By: >>13321952 >>13322436 >>13322900

>>13321829
Also who seriously thought attic Greek was derived from sanskrit? The claim is that they both descend from proto Indo European

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 05:50:34 No.13321952 Report

Quoted By: >>13322052 >>13322457

>>13321899
>The linguistic evidence is so strong
strong for what?

>>13321909
>Also who seriously thought attic Greek was derived from sanskrit?
This is the entire basis for Europeans considering themselves aryan; a now discarded theory about the relative ages of related languages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 05:58:12 No.13321975 Report

Quoted By: >>13321990 >>13322900

>>13321809
>>13321829
I thought Aryans were just the Indo-European Iranians who split off from the Proto-Indo-Europeans to the East and into India?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 06:00:41 No.13321990 Report

Quoted By: >>13322040 >>13322052

>>13321975
They are.
but that's not what they thought in the 18th + 19th century.

They assumed that the oldest language was sanskrit and thus everything was derived in some way from the people who used it - the Aryans; thus all indo-euros were desendents of the aryans and aryan by blood.

They had it backwards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 06:20:55 No.13322040 Report

Quoted By: >>13322045 >>13322048 >>13322900

>>13321990
So when you say
>the Rig Veda refers to the people led by Indra and Agni across the upper gangetic plain.
Was the Rig Veda and Indra a solely Iranian creation, or did it have its origins in the PIE people in general?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 06:25:00 No.13322045 Report

Quoted By: >>13322048 >>13322070

>>13322040
The Rg Veda is not Iranian.

It's the story of the gods of the Indian Subcontinent who have their roots in the PIE religion.

Indra and Agni are Devas, who are considered 'demons' in the persian Avesta.

Likewise, the Vedas characterise the Asura in the Avesta as the demons.

presumably this indicates some socio-political split between the two groups some time prior to the composition of the Vedas. so Pre-2500BCE I guess.

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 06:27:31 No.13322048 Report

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>>13322045
>>13322040
incidentally this is why Naruto is Hinduism/Buddhism; the anime.

Indra and Asura are the two sons of the progenitor of Ninjutsu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 06:29:13 No.13322052 Report

Quoted By: >>13322061 >>13322900

>>13321952
The relations between Aryan languages and their derivatives is so strong that anyone who denies that the Aryans and the modern Europeans are descended from common ancestry is being wilfully ignorant.
I'm also assuming that by Aryan >>13321277 means the Indo-Europeans and is using "Aryan" in a colloquial sense judging from the picture of Rob who seems to know the difference between Aryan and Indo-European.
That said, the Aryans did actually write about homelands which fit a northern European description very well, so the idea that Europeans have no claim to Aryan lineage would be very wrong.
>>13321990
I do agree with this, but you have to be well aware that the common use of the term Aryan is broader than the anthropological use of the word. By Aryan in common language people are generally referring to the broader Indo European people, even if it isn't technically correct to do so. In effect the Europeans were talking about their Indo-European ancestry, and just using the term Aryan as a very broad term.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 06:34:50 No.13322061 Report

Quoted By: >>13322083

>>13322052
>The relations between Aryan languages and their derivatives is so strong that anyone who denies that the Aryans and the modern Europeans are descended from common ancestry is being wilfully ignorant.
uh ok?
>That said, the Aryans did actually write about homelands which fit a northern European description very well, so the idea that Europeans have no claim to Aryan lineage would be very wrong.
Fundementally. if you're not descended from the people who self described as Aryan, then you have no claim to it.

>My name is Joe
>my brother is named Proto-Euro
>we grew up together
>I move away
>I change my name to Aryan
>we each have children
>suddenly my brother's kids are descendants of Aryan's despite never meeting me and not being children of anyone who identified as Aryan.

no. That makes no more sense than Pudoo Patel telling people he is Bavarian.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 06:36:31 No.13322070 Report

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>>13322045
>It's the story of the gods of the Indian Subcontinent who have their roots in the PIE religion.
This is what's confusing me. If it has roots in the PIE religion, then that would mean the PIE people who came to India would have influenced it, which would have been the Iranians (to my knowledge). If they didn't, then how did the PIE influence affect the Indian subcontinent?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 06:38:55 No.13322075 Report

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>>13321277
No, it's whitoids appropriating colored culture as always.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 06:41:10 No.13322083 Report

Quoted By: >>13322869 >>13322900

>>13322061
Your previous posts at least tried to talk sense, now you're just getting silly because you aren't being taken at face value.
I agreed with the historical fact that the Aryans are descended from the Indo Europeans and not vice versa. That's a fact. As I said, the common use of the term Aryan is broad, and not the same as the anthropological use of the word. So when people are casually talking about "Aryan cultures" in China or the middle east further west of Iran, it's pointless to say "well that's all rubbish because what you mean is Indo-European but you didn't know the correct terminology" when you know full well what they mean.
Secondly genetic studies actually do place northern Europeans as the closest living relatives of the Sintashta, for example, so they do actually have a claim to some form of Aryan descent. By contrast, an Indian never had any ancestry migrating from Rome to India.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 08:53:06 No.13322392 Report

Quoted By: >>13322402 >>13322900

aryan is a linguistic classification, this was quite well known as far back the mid 1930s
which gives a lie to the idea that the germans were "aryan racial supremacists".
their use of the word was based on the sanskrit word where it was used to mean a sophisticated civil person, it was a philosophical ideal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 08:55:00 No.13322396 Report

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dont care didnt dread back to /pol plus you will never be white

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 08:56:18 No.13322402 Report

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>>13322392
That makes more sense than them claiming to be descendent from some backwards sand people 1000 miles away, whom they eclipsed in technology by countless orders of magnitude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:01:24 No.13322419 Report

Quoted By: >>13322598

>>13321277
>Are Aryan artifacts really found all over the world?
from what I know, everywhere except the Eastern Americas and sub-saharian Africa

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:02:26 No.13322422 Report

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>>13321665
>sumerian statuette with blue eyes
this is an interesting find though, even if it doesn't prove a direct relation with the caucasus / Yamnaya cultures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:04:04 No.13322429 Report

Quoted By: >>13322869 >>13322900

>>13321793
aryan was used in the 19th and first half of the 20th century as a synonymous of Indo-European, since indo-aryans also descend from Yamnaya as all other europeans / aryans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:05:05 No.13322432 Report

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>>13321809
>Apparently Aryans did contribute some genetics to modern Europeans
it's actually the opposite
Europe contributed to Afghanistan, Pakistan and Northern India.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:06:13 No.13322436 Report

Quoted By: >>13322465 >>13322489

>>13321821
>Yes essentially everywhere
except most of the americas and sub-saharian Africa
>>13321909
>Also who seriously thought attic Greek was derived from sanskrit?
They both descend from a very close and common ancestor. They're separated by 1000-1500 years only.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:09:58 No.13322450 Report

Quoted By: >>13322869 >>13322900

>>13321829
>incorrect assumption that old greek was derived from sanskrit
dumbass
everybody always knew that both come from a single ancestor. Very few people believed that greek directly descended from sanskrit. They saw sanskrit as a cousin language, that it actually is.
It is that the dates were still not known with radiation decay precision and this could give rise to some confusion. Now they are very well known.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:11:56 No.13322457 Report

Quoted By: >>13322869 >>13322900

>>13321952
>a now discarded theory
lmao what a pseud
variations of the word "aryan" also appear in Europe and were still present in multiple languages until not long ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:13:09 No.13322465 Report

Quoted By: >>13322486

>>13322436
It's interesting to think about how absolutely foreign European written languages are to sandskrit, separated by what? About 3500 years, yet they still are part of the same family with many similarities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:18:21 No.13322486 Report

Quoted By: >>13322501 >>13322521

>>13322465
>foreign European written languages
you mean modern ones?
yes it's very interesting.
By reading a vocabulary of lithuanian or russian in particular, you find several cognates that are still found in Pashti and Hindi. But also english and german (like kuh == cow = gau)
cow piss that is drunk in India is literally called cow-mutra == kuh-mutra == gau-mutra.
of course mutra is a non cognate word (i think?)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:18:53 No.13322489 Report

Quoted By: >>13322500

>>13322436
>except most of the americas
even in North America and places like Colombia you will find near European DNA and legends of kings with blond hair from thousands of years ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:21:20 No.13322500 Report

Quoted By: >>13322504

>>13322489
yes but I think this is mostly due to scandinavian navigators in the middle ages. Still very interesting though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:21:37 No.13322501 Report

Quoted By: >>13322550

>>13322486
the most obvious is >>13321899
>The word for horse
Lithuanian: "ašvà"
Sanskrit: "ashva"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:22:39 No.13322504 Report

Quoted By:

>>13322500
>from thousands of years ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:26:45 No.13322521 Report

Quoted By: >>13322554 >>13322556 >>13322869

>>13322486
Yes their modern forms. Though, what I dont understand is Arabic and Hindi's weird calligraphy-esque connections between letters, what does it do? Why dont they just write the letters without the connections?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:34:30 No.13322550 Report

Quoted By: >>13322569

>>13322501
I wonder if it's also related to the greek equos / ekwos.
The satem / kentum barrier usually would result in a similar change right?
ashva --> akhva --> ekwos

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:34:54 No.13322554 Report

Quoted By: >>13322556

>>13322521
That's probably more to do with persian influence on arabic writing

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:35:33 No.13322556 Report

Quoted By:

>>13322521
the writing has been influenced by arab, as >>13322554 says

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:37:08 No.13322563 Report

Quoted By: >>13322566 >>13322568

>baseless historical revisionism to support ideology
>>>/his/
>>>/pol/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:37:13 No.13322564 Report

Quoted By: >>13322571 >>13322581

what about other horse related words?
Horse, pony, mare, stallion, foal, colt, saddle, stirrup, bridle
All could be pretty old words.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:37:37 No.13322566 Report

Quoted By: >>13322598 >>13322603 >>13322900

>>13322563
>baseless

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:37:47 No.13322568 Report

Quoted By: >>13322598 >>13322603 >>13322869 >>13322900

>>13322563
kill yourself commie
/sci/ has a long history of linguistics discussion.
linguistics is a science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:38:40 No.13322569 Report

Quoted By: >>13322577

>>13322550
I think that is generally accepted, yes, same with German I think

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:39:23 No.13322571 Report

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>>13322564
yes there are probably some hidden treasures to discover there... all words of daily life (used a lot and by a lot of people) like mother / father / beer / horse / axe etc. change more slowly in time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:40:56 No.13322577 Report

Quoted By: >>13322595 >>13322608

>>13322569
pferd doesn't seem a cognate though
maybe it replaced a previous word. also the latin caballus. who knows where these words came from.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:43:01 No.13322581 Report

Quoted By: >>13322601

>>13322564
My horse related knowledge is running out here but Cart, chariot, fetlock,

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:46:56 No.13322595 Report

Quoted By:

>>13322577
You're right, I meant old Germanic
There's also stuff like door in English being d?r in Persian

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:47:58 No.13322598 Report

Quoted By: >>13322624

>>13321277
>>13321579
>>13321771
>>13321793
>>13321821
>>13322419
>>13322566
>>13322568
Kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:48:21 No.13322601 Report

Quoted By:

>>13322581
there are cattle terms too
cow, bull, beef, veal, calf, stirk, steer, calf, heifer, leather, milk, cheese, yoghurt, butter, horn, yoke, ox, oxen, bullock, hide, plough, cart, taurus, mastitis, rennet,

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:48:45 No.13322603 Report

Quoted By: >>13322616 >>13322617

>>13322566
>>13322568
>using the word aryan incorrectly
>all ancient civilizations were white
yes baseless revisionism, fuck off back to your board

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:49:57 No.13322608 Report

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>>13322577
I got it!
pferd comes from the verb "to transport" in latin and greek (fero).
the same that generated "feretro" in italian.
from latin feretron and greek phéretron (to carry, to transport but as a noun not a verb).
so it's still an indo-european word after all, just with a different meaning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:51:22 No.13322616 Report

Quoted By: >>13322869

>>13322603
Outside of Australia, and sub saharan Africa, name any place and I'll give you an example of ancient whites being there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:51:32 No.13322617 Report

Quoted By: >>13322900

>>13322603
>using strawman arguments
>lying
hello rabbi

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 09:52:33 No.13322624 Report

Quoted By:

>>13322598
no u

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 11:41:14 No.13322869 Report

Quoted By: >>13322883 >>13322897

>>13322083
>the common use of the term Aryan is broad
no. it's not.

Unless you're still in 1925

>Sintashta
Europeans are the closest living relatives of who we have no evidence called themselves aryan?
ok then?

>>13322429
yes. but it's literally no longer the 20th or 19th century and things have moved on.

>>13322450
No retard.
READ A BOOK

>>13322457
"variations"
So not the word Arya or Aryan.
ok then.

>>13322521
Arabic has nothing to do with Indo European nor Hindi.

>>13322568
Yeah but this is literally
>1930's linguistic discussions and pretend nothing has happened in the last 90 years

>>13322616
Gay club

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 11:47:18 No.13322883 Report

Quoted By: >>13322892

>>13322869
>things have moved on
yeah you're right you can even sexually identify as an attack helicopter nowadays!
Isn't progress great?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 11:49:59 No.13322892 Report

Quoted By: >>13322898

>>13322883
>unrelated field does something dumb
>therefore ignore a century of linguistic study

You are one retarded nigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 11:54:57 No.13322897 Report

Quoted By: >>13322900

>>13322869
>1925
You mean roughly the era when the examples you were giving were taken from?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 11:55:10 No.13322898 Report

Quoted By: >>13322900 >>13322951

>>13322892
>ignore a century of linguistic study
that doesn't exist, since most linguists still agree on 1900's linguistic ideas (just look at the reference section of any standard linguistics book that is not a (((Noam Chomsky))) meme tier one).
Also the quality of academia and society is objectively decaying in many fields and producing less relevant discoveries.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 11:56:09 No.13322900 Report

Quoted By: >>13322926

>>13322052
>>13322040
>>13321975
>>13321909
>>13321899
>>13321821
>>13321771
>>13322083
>>13322392
>>13322429
>>13322450
>>13322457
>>13322566
>>13322568
>>13322617
>>13322897
>>13322898

Say it with me

WE
WUZ
AAAAAYYYYRRAAANNNZ AND SHEITZ

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 11:56:53 No.13322904 Report

Quoted By:

>>13321277
Nope

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 12:08:39 No.13322926 Report

Quoted By: >>13322928

>>13322900
say it with me
>AD HOMINEM
>AD HOMINEM
>AD HOMINEM
>NAZI
>NAZI
>NAZI

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 12:10:54 No.13322928 Report

Quoted By:

>>13322926
>ad hominem
No, I'm saying you're retarded because of your argument. Not that your argument is wrong because you're retarded - although that's likely the case too.

>nazi
Nazis were well known for being Arya-boos and Weaboos. it's entirely relevant.

I'm not saying you're a nazi. Just that you're a retard.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 12:21:12 No.13322951 Report

Quoted By: >>13322973 >>13322978 >>13322985

>>13322898
So lets look a the 'aryan' list

Europeans are;
>descended from people who spoke Sanskrit
No
>descended from the people who migrated down into central and south asia
No
>practice aryan religion
No
>perform the correct fire rituals and sacrifices
No
>speak a modern derivative of Sanskrit
No
>Live in Aryavarta
No
>can even READ the characters sanskrit is written in
No
>has grown up hearing and experiencing the recitation of vedic aryan stories
No

Like I said.
If Europeans are Aryan, Puudoo Patel is a true ethnic German and heir to the holy roman empire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 12:31:17 No.13322973 Report

Quoted By: >>13322984

>>13322951
you're still using strawman arguments
you claim that only peoples living in the Indus valley were aryans. That is false and just this facts destroys all your other arguments.
Where does the word "aristocracy" come from?
The indus valley river? NO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 12:33:04 No.13322978 Report

Quoted By: >>13322984

>>13322951
>Live in Aryavarta
>A sheep born in a stable is a horse
kek you're so fucking retarded bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 12:34:04 No.13322984 Report

Quoted By: >>13322987

>>13322973
We're talking about a people who self identified as Aryan.

Not people who called themselves 'Aristocrats'.

If you're arguing that Europeans are the 'Aristocrats' you might have a room temperature IQ.

>>13322978
>bro a sheep born in a stable isn't a horse
>but a duck born in a lake that doesn't have any of the characteristics of a horse is definitely a horse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 12:34:23 No.13322985 Report

Quoted By: >>13323018

>>13322951
>can even READ the characters sanskrit is written in
complete ignorance of when different writing systems were designed and came into use: checked!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 12:35:47 No.13322987 Report

Quoted By: >>13323018

>>13322984
>If you're arguing that Europeans are the 'Aristocrats'
the origin of the word means noble or fair ones, and is firmly tied to the indo-european (aryan) caste system.
you are a stupid nigger
please don't further embarass yourself
stop

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jun 2021 12:49:58 No.13323018 Report

Quoted By:

>>13322985
Which is why I said "written in" and not "Sanskrit text"
nigger

>>13322987
>this word is related
>therefore its the same word

>Sinestre is related to Sinister
>therefore all left handed people are evil

You're a larping "we wuz ayranz and sheit" cultureless bafoon who is latching onto something ancient in order to claim it and tie yourself into a grander story about your roots.

grow up you retarded nigger.

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