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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 09:16:17 2021 No.13313955 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13313960 >>13313969 >>13313991 >>13314056 >>13314171 >>13314172 >>13314252 >>13314341 >>13314761 >>13314787 >>13314914

Modern economic system requires infinite growth, but surviving global warming requires producing less.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 09:17:20 No.13313960 Report

Quoted By: >>13314212 >>13314218

>>13313955
Can you guess what might happen when this curve goes down ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 09:19:27 No.13313969 Report

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>>13313955
Soon after the carrying capacity is reached, WWI/WWII will look like heaven on earth.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 09:28:06 No.13313991 Report

Quoted By: >>13313999 >>13314073

>>13313955
>Modern economic system requires infinite growth
Explain

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 09:32:00 No.13313999 Report

Quoted By: >>13314060 >>13314070

>>13313991
Everything is based on debt, and to keep paying it off you need to make more shit and grow the GDP. Otherwise companies and banks go bankrupt, music stops, unemployment etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 09:35:36 No.13314007 Report

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Fruit company replaced laborers with fruit picking machine
Self driving trucks replace truck drivers
Another internet meme company is created
And so on...
I fail to see how any of that adds to the carbon footprint

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 09:52:58 No.13314056 Report

Quoted By: >>13314105

>>13313955
It doesnt require infinite growth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 09:54:28 No.13314060 Report

Quoted By: >>13314064

>>13313999
Shit like this makes me thinks the Austrians were right ngl

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 09:56:57 No.13314064 Report

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>>13314060
>Number goes up!
Meaningless

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 09:59:41 No.13314070 Report

Quoted By: >>13314105

>>13313999
Nothing is "based" on debt. The economy is hundreds of things, its not based on a single thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:00:48 No.13314073 Report

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>>13313991
Its a lie

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:11:00 No.13314103 Report

Quoted By: >>13314514

> the economy does not depend on oil, it's only a small part of gdp. I'm an economist and thus more intelligent than you trust me bro. The economy simply requires less/more taxes, less/more immigration, less/more nationalism/multicultiralism, less/more communism/capitalism, less/more fascists/anti-fascists, less/more democrats/republicans, less/more feminism, we can keep going being the dumbest motherfuckers the earth has ever seen, we will be alright !

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:11:33 No.13314105 Report

Quoted By: >>13314108 >>13314112

>>13314056
so why it keeps expanding endlessly?
production doubles in relation to the number of people.
>>13314070
>its not based on a single thing.
when everything can be traded and given meaning of numerical value.
that means it's based on one thing yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:12:46 No.13314108 Report

Quoted By: >>13314113 >>13314147

>>13314105
It keeps expanding until it stops expanding. It doesnt collapse when it stops growing. Its like a baby. Babies dont die when they stop growing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:14:14 No.13314112 Report

Quoted By: >>13314118 >>13314134 >>13314147

>>13314105
People say phrases like "economy based on oil" "based on consumption" "based on debt" "based on innovation". These are all NPC clichettes.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:14:23 No.13314113 Report

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>>13314108
> the economy is like a baby ! my analogy is not completely dumb at all !

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:15:38 No.13314116 Report

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>>13314113
Why are you so stupid? Why are you pretending not to understand the concept of a plateau? You reach a top and stay there.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:17:01 No.13314118 Report

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>>13314112
> People say phrases like "economy based on oil" "based on consumption" "based on debt" "based on innovation". These are all NPC clichettes.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:18:29 No.13314124 Report

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>>13314118
Literally yes.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:19:52 No.13314128 Report

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>>13314116
> Why are you so stupid? Why are you pretending not to understand the concept of a plateau? You reach a top and stay there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:21:02 No.13314134 Report

Quoted By: >>13314146 >>13314214

>>13314112
What would happen if all oil suddenly disappeared or if loans were outlawed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:21:30 No.13314136 Report

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>economy depends on growth

Either retarded or parroting retarded phrases. Nothing about an economy requires growth. At the plateau, consumption simply matches production

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:26:21 No.13314146 Report

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>>13314134
Why worry about something thats not going to happen?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:26:43 No.13314147 Report

Quoted By: >>13314150

>>13314108
>>13314112
economy is an endless cycle of producers/consumers vice versa,
you work x hours a month "produce" then get the paycheck and go to consume something.
end of story

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:27:42 No.13314150 Report

Quoted By: >>13314152

>>13314147
I know

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:29:31 No.13314152 Report

Quoted By: >>13314159

>>13314150
so why are you saying nonsense?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:32:34 No.13314159 Report

Quoted By: >>13314164

>>13314152
What nonsense?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:34:19 No.13314164 Report

Quoted By: >>13314167

>>13314159
i reply to 2 anons, one is saying that economy is like a baby, the other is saying that economy is not based on one thing.
which one of them are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:36:33 No.13314167 Report

Quoted By: >>13314180

>>13314164
I said the economy is not based on one single thing. People say dumb cliches like "the economy is based on oil" when the economy has thousands of interacting parts, like an ecosystem, and it isn't "based on one thing"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:38:10 No.13314171 Report

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>>13313955
Problem is that the economy is growing too slowly. If we accelerate we can have the industrial base to survive global warming, then we can build the first O'Neill cylinder.

Jesus

Jesus Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:38:20 No.13314172 Report

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>>13313955
it's called mindless natalism and is cured by drugs and mass sex transition of normies, and by vaccinating redundant people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:40:30 No.13314180 Report

Quoted By: >>13314193 >>13314196

>>13314167
>isn't "based on one thing"
not on a single resource, single tech, single trade, single route, i agree. but this system is fundamentally based on coin value "debt" "money" whatever you choose to call it.
this is just what it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:47:37 No.13314193 Report

Quoted By: >>13314198

>>13314180
What does that even mean? Based on X thing? Its a meaningless vague phrase of no use that carries no information

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:49:33 No.13314196 Report

Quoted By: >>13314217

>>13314180
This is like saying that companies are "based on accounting".

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:51:46 No.13314198 Report

Quoted By: >>13314202

>>13314193
its not "X thing" its something that hold value that is distribute to measure products worth.
It has all kinds of words and points of reference but it is one thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:53:46 No.13314202 Report

Quoted By: >>13314207 >>13314217

>>13314198
Its a divisive phrase meant to shut down all further thinking. I can recognize the existence if money and debt without the need to proclaim "everything is debt/money" and then get angry when someone says no

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:55:33 No.13314207 Report

Quoted By: >>13314210

>>13314202
>Its a divisive phrase meant to shut down all further thinking.
So zero difference for you,

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:56:33 No.13314210 Report

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>>13314207
See? Its working. Instead of talking about meaningful concepts you are just focused on being witty

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:57:23 No.13314212 Report

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>>13313960
What about the 1980-2000 plateau?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 10:58:06 No.13314214 Report

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>>13314134
>what would happen if iron/water/oxygen disappeared
Are you retarded or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 11:00:19 No.13314217 Report

Quoted By: >>13314232 >>13314246 >>13314250

>>13314196
I've never run a business and I don't understand these things so I can not answer.
although it sounds logical since the main goal of a company is to create the maximum possible profits.
>>13314202
>shut down all further thinking
you can take the oil, big tech, even big part of the food industry.
there are many other things to trade, if you take "dept"/"money" out of the equation its not economy anymore simple as.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 11:00:20 No.13314218 Report

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>>13313960
A bit of poverty if it goes down a bit and a lot of poverty if it goes down a lot? Huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 11:05:41 No.13314232 Report

Quoted By: >>13314270

>>13314217
You are going to have to do better and explicitly define what "a base" means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 11:12:37 No.13314246 Report

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>>13314217
You have a economically illiterate leftist imagination of how market economies work, lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 11:13:46 No.13314250 Report

Quoted By: >>13314270

>>13314217
You might as well say its based on energy, on labor, on trade. Theres many fundamental things, not just money/debt, starting with our own lives

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 11:14:31 No.13314252 Report

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>>13313955
You should go back to leftypol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 11:21:53 No.13314270 Report

Quoted By: >>13314274 >>13314277

>>13314250
>energy, labor
those things are not what economy is based on
>trade
you literally trade debt, trading is a tool to dynamically move the goods from point to point in the system.
>>13314232
what is the base of a pyramid?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 11:23:40 No.13314274 Report

Quoted By: >>13314295 >>13314338

>>13314270
I didnt say the economy was based on them. I said you might as well say they are, since they also seem somehow "important" in some vague retarded way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 11:24:43 No.13314277 Report

Quoted By: >>13314295 >>13314338

>>13314270
Go fuck yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 11:33:23 No.13314295 Report

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>>13314274
i just use that to explain the significance of the economy components.
essentially nothing is deterministic, but the most fundamental object in the economy is obviously dept, all the rest are sub functions that meant implement the dept system.
>>13314277
shut the fuck up

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 11:53:27 No.13314338 Report

Quoted By: >>13314380 >>13314383

>>13314274
i just use that to explain the significance of the economy components.
essentially nothing is deterministic, but the most fundamental object in the economy is obviously debt, all the rest are sub functions that meant implement the debt system.
>>13314277
shut the fuck up

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 11:55:26 No.13314341 Report

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>>13313955
What about producing smarter...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 12:16:05 No.13314380 Report

Quoted By: >>13314400

>>13314338
>the most fundamental object in the economy is obviously debt, all the rest are sub functions that meant implement the debt system
You are a complete retard, you even have created a mythology around your understanding of the economy, debt has a important ecnomic function, that's it.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 12:17:07 No.13314383 Report

Quoted By: >>13314400

>>13314338
>the most fundamental object in the economy is obviously debt
How?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 12:25:17 No.13314400 Report

Quoted By: >>13314424

>>13314380
i dont expect a literal imbecile to even start to understand
>>13314383
because money is a measurement of debt, and the whole economic structure is based on it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 12:34:58 No.13314424 Report

Quoted By: >>13314492

>>13314400
>money is a measurement

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 13:05:39 No.13314492 Report

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>>13314424
when you give someone money you basically say "you now owe me x$" it can be a service it can be a product or simply return you back the money, but this is what it is.
why are you trying so hard to fight the meaning of it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 13:14:02 No.13314514 Report

Quoted By: >>13314761

>>13314103
Somehow youa re even dumber than an economist.
No one has ever said that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 13:15:13 No.13314518 Report

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>people want shit
>people make shit
>people buy shit
As long as this continues, nothing will change.
Bankers might kvetch from getting a bit poorer, but that will be all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 14:52:08 No.13314761 Report

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>>13313955
>In this thread we we will treat the subject of industry's impact on the environment while neglecting every real-world factor from the Asian population bomb to corporate lobbying.
Compared to the Austrian school of economics, the school of Australian shitposting is pure genius.
>>13314514
>No one has ever said that.
Lie me a river.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 15:01:14 No.13314787 Report

Quoted By: >>13315036

>>13313955
It does not require growth. People just need to let go of easy money from compound interest. Old wealth holding onto their money through endless growth often causes more social issues than it solves anyway.

>inb4: B-but if GDP stops growing there will be less job openings!

And if you stop immigration there will be less people that needs them. You'll still be a high HDI nation, Japan has proven that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 15:39:25 No.13314914 Report

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>>13313955
>requires infinite growth
Wrong
>surviving global warming requires producing less
Wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 15:55:51 No.13314956 Report

Quoted By: >>13314965

Macroeconomics is not science or math. Please relocate your thread to a more suitable board for pseudosciences

>>>/pol/
>>>/x/
>>>/tv/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 15:58:02 No.13314965 Report

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>>13314956
>macroeconomics too pseudoscientific even for >>>/his/
Econbros...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 16:20:58 No.13315036 Report

Quoted By: >>13315047

>>13314787
Japans dead, their birth rate will never recover.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Jun 2021 16:27:06 No.13315047 Report

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>>13315036
Why would it need to? Don't know a single Japanese who would trade places with a Nigerian.

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