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thermodynamic Science Of weightloss

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 18:17:18 2021 No.13306088 View Reply Original Report

A lot of youtubers always claim that ''MuH yOu CAnt BreAk tHE LaWS Of ThermoDYnaMICs'' when replying to people who cant lose weight. What law of thermodynamics are they refering to? Are they just talking out of their asses?

Also ive been trying to lose weight for years but how the hell is one suppose to correctly count the macros if you are losing weight? Let say I am 340 lbs and need 3200 calories to maintain, so i eat berlow maintenance but the fact that i am losing weight automatically lowers my maintenance lvl so im all of a sudden back above maintenance. This never ending game makes it so I have to re weight and recalibre my macro intake twice a day its very tiresome and the pounds keep on adding up

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 18:20:03 No.13306109 Report

Quoted By: >>13306117

why don't you go on youtube and ask the commenters there what they're talking about instead of bringing your complaints about youtube and other social media sites to 4chan?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 18:21:02 No.13306117 Report

Quoted By: >>13307692

>>13306109
this board is about science and the smartest people on internet in regards to thermodynamics

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 18:21:03 No.13306118 Report

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>>13306088
Why do we cook food if it reduce the complexity and then build sth. more complex out of it again?
Why do we do that this violates the second law of thermodynamic that's stupid!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 18:24:41 No.13306144 Report

Quoted By: >>13306159

>>13306088
Each weight level has a maintenance calories, if you lose weight it wont go to zero. You dont recalibrate twice a day, more like every month.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 18:24:43 No.13306145 Report

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>>13306088
The conservation of energy, which doesn’t accurately describe addictive foods that are scientifically perfected through mass experimentations on an army of slave fetal tastebuds to be as addictive as possible that mess with your ability to balance energy in energy out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 18:24:59 No.13306147 Report

Quoted By: >>13306163 >>13307557 >>13308567

>>13306088
Here's a strat I discovered as a fellow fatty anon. First, work out at least 4 times a week, DO NOT skip this. It doesn't matter what you do, just do something consistently. Then food intake. ONLY eat when you are hungry, like when your stomach actually feels empty. When you eat, never eat more than 700 cal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 18:26:50 No.13306159 Report

Quoted By: >>13306216 >>13306847 >>13308523 >>13308567

>>13306144
ya but i have 18pounds difference between morning and night so how the hell

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 18:27:59 No.13306163 Report

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>>13306147
im big boned im always hungry

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 18:33:41 No.13306187 Report

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>let say I am 340 lbs and need 3200 calories to maintain, so i eat berlow maintenance but the fact that i am losing weight automatically lowers my maintenance lvl so im all of a sudden back above maintenance. This never ending game

Eat what you need at a normal weight, you'll reach your goal much faster and you will get into good habits. You have to adjust your lifestyle permanently, you may as well start now. If you are just barely losing weight you won't see progress for a long time, and you'll probably lurch back into over eating. You're not taking it seriously if you're stuffing your face with 3000 kcal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 18:40:58 No.13306216 Report

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>>13306159
Then drink more water. Also, try rice cakes.
I'm not trying to loose weight. Actually, I'm trying to bulk atm, but I do recommend eating more meat and dairy and healthy fats, and avoiding carbs. It helps amazingly with hunger and general stomach stuff. Like I used to get nauseous every afternoon and now I don't anymore. I'm not doing full blown keto or anything like that, but I basically don't snack on carbs, and I don't eat any bread/potatoes/rice/pasta. I also make sure to have meat with every meal. If I get a sandwich I will still eat the bun or whatever, but I'm not going to eat half a plate of potatoes or spaghetti for dinner like I used to.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 18:47:52 No.13306249 Report

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Just fast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 19:20:59 No.13306455 Report

Quoted By: >>13306865 >>13307277

>>13306088
It means if you eat something you will gain weight, if you don't eat something you will lose weight because your body consumes energy. There's no getting around this.

My advice to you is eat nothing but vitamins and water. You'll be thin as fuck. If you need to eat *something* celery and rabbit, absolutely zero sugar. I've never met a fat person who wasn't a sweet tooth. Also don't snack and stop eating, it's a thing you need to get over, I eat once a day. You can too if you get the will power. Substituting willpower buy ephidrine, caffeine, phenylpiracetam, or amphetamine and take one instead of eating. Thermodynamics is impossible to beat so by that logic you'll get thin fast doing nothing. Just eat like, no food for six months. Oh and maybe buy jerky online or something if you need a snack.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 19:57:06 No.13306847 Report

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>>13306159
Your real weight is in the morning. Do the calculations with the morning weight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 20:01:03 No.13306865 Report

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>>13306455
That has nothing to do with energy. Theoretically all excess food can simple be shat out with minimal digestion or used with extreme inefficiency by the body.
When you get fat only your adipose tissue grows. Have it surgically removed and theres nothing to get fat. Your bones or brain wont get bigger if you eat more, your muscles a little bit if you dont lift.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 20:09:18 No.13306903 Report

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>>13306088
imagine the loose skin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 20:18:52 No.13306957 Report

Quoted By: >>13307277 >>13307304 >>13307685

>>13306088
They mean that you CANNOT store as fat what you didn't consume as food first. Your body does NOT create energy out of nothing. If you have a lot of fat, then you're eating enough to sustain you AND your fat cells (they need energy too). This is not the X-Men universe, you do NOT have the power to defy weight-loss physics. You are fat because you eat too much. Stop making excuses and start taking care of yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 21:12:12 No.13307277 Report

Quoted By: >>13307557

>>13306957
I never understood this simplistic way of looking at it. *You can be fat and still starve*, increasing risk of disease related to malnourishment as well as that related to obesity. Releasing the energy stored in fat is a process that differs from person to person like any other part of biology. Counting calories as a means of controlling 'energy in' only works when the body is using stores despite the lower calorie-intake. For people who are thin but eat loads, they simply never absorb a lot of calories to begin with and shit-out a lot of fat that goes straight through.
>>13306455
>eat nothing but vitamins and water
Vitamin supplements have an excess in each tablet because they are a shitty way to get vitamins used by the body. The body is designed to break-down food and process it into useable material, and it just doesn't absorb most vitamins from supplements. They also do not satiate appetite, so the body will think it's starving and hold-on to energy, making a person lethargic(which is the last thing anyone needing exercise should want).

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 21:20:08 No.13307304 Report

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>>13306957
And the other side of the coin here is that someone who just doesn't have a lot of fat cells will never get fat; they have nowhere to store excess food and will shit it out hours later. You can have two people eating the exact same diets and same lifestyles, but who have very different amounts of fat stored. The time when a person can change their percentage of fat cells is childhood: it's the parents that make a fat or thin person. Once puberty is in full-swing, the percentage of fat cells locks up and it's extremely difficult to lose fat below a certain level because the cells will always hold on to some.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 21:37:20 No.13307375 Report

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>>13306088
>What law of thermodynamics are they refering to?
Probably the first one, which is just conservation of energy. If you consume less than you expend, it is physically impossible to NOT lose weight, assuming your body is functioning correctly. That last bit is the grey area in which fatties justify their existence. Granted, you can still die if you don't get enough vitamins and nutrients, but that doesn't even require 200 calories a day.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 22:23:39 No.13307557 Report

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>>13306147
>ONLY eat when you are hungry
shit advice
only eat 3 times a day
>>13307277
sounds like cope, thin people who eat loads are a myth, eating 3 pizzas once in a blue moon doesnt make you fat, it requires a constant excess of calories and that depends a lot on what you eat DAILY
I can get stuffed like a pig with fruit and vegetables all day long and stay fit, if I start eating junk food instead I'll gain weight despite eating "less", I even tried

ultimately the problem is how junk food is cheap and made to be addictive and so fucking calorie dense, while we are meant to eat hypocaloric stuff (basically everything that comes from nature is mostly water in mass)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 22:54:31 No.13307685 Report

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>>13306957
You cant get fat if you get your adipose tissue surgically removed. Its like an organ. You take out the cells and theres no more fat cells to swell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 22:58:08 No.13307692 Report

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>>13306117
and the answer is calories in calories out, its not different because you believe it to be

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 22:58:42 No.13307694 Report

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>>13306088
Damn, her belly fat was so sxy before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Jun 2021 23:11:46 No.13307721 Report

Quoted By: >>13308385

>>13306088
The answer is that food you eat is converted into energy, which is measured in calories. Calories are the energy that your body needs to power itself and move. You may need, say, 3,000 calories just to keep yourself alive. That means if you were laying in a bed all day doing nothing, you would need 3,000 calories to stay as you are. However, you also “burn” additional energy by moving around, such as walking, running, etc. That number in addition to your base rate is called your Basal Metabolic Rate, or BMR for short. That refers to the energy you need to stay as you are, PLUS the energy needed for you to move around. That may be something like 3,500 calories in a day. To lose weight, you must target a caloric intake that is below this amount. It is often recommended to eat ~500 calories less than your BMR to lose weight at a healthy, maintainable pace. This is NOT because your body goes into “starvation mode” and stops burning energy, although eating at a severe caloric deficit can be bad for a variety of reasons. It is because eating at a low rate both lowers energy levels which cause you to move less, and also encourages you to fall off your diet and binge eat, gaining all of the energy you lost and then some.

The reason why you are not losing weight is either because you have inaccurate information on how much energy you need, or (more likely) you are not measuring the calories of the food you are consuming properly. Portion size is a very difficult thing to control when you are overweight, so it is important to measure out how much you are eating exactly with a food scale. How much do you weigh, what is your sex, age, etc? Let us know and we may be able to help

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Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 02:41:20 No.13308385 Report

Quoted By: >>13308437 >>13308503

>>13307721
big problem i have now is that out of 8 werbsite i got all different calories for maintenance

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 02:56:58 No.13308437 Report

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>>13308385
This is all you need to know about losing weight, author is a compsci prof
https://matt.might.net/articles/least-resistance-weight-loss/

Summary:
>calculate BMI
>guesstimate caloric intake
>eat whatever you want
>end of day ride stationary bike until under threshold to lose weight
>???
>profit

That's it. Helps if you consume protein and do some kind of muscle building resistance exercise (push ups? pull ups?) so you don't end up eating away all your muscle as you run a caloric deficeit. It will take about 6 months, losing 1-2lbs a week. Any more than that and you get floppy nasty loose skin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 03:09:14 No.13308473 Report

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Assuming 340LB and 6FT height, your avg ideal body weight should be ~160 LB for healthy BMI. That means you need to lose 180 LBs of fat.

At this weight, you need ~3000 calorie to maintain the weight with little/no strenuous activity, NOT 3200. If you want to see any realistic chance of weight loss, you need to cut calorie down to 2/3 of what your body maintenance needs. 3000 - 1/3 = 2000 calorie diet. That means you will lose ~2 lbs per week. How many is that in a month? 8 LBs per month. To get to 160 LB, you need to keep at it for 2 years straight. Or if you want to do it much quicker, reduce calorie intake down to 1/2 of maintenance calorie, down to 1500 calorie at 340 - 300 LB, then 1400 from 300-250, then 1300 from 250-200, then 1200 from 200-160. Relentless effort makes results.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 03:19:32 No.13308501 Report

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>>13306088
You're right, it's absolutely impossble to lose weight.
Just kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 03:20:26 No.13308503 Report

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>>13308385
I've found the best for calculating BMI is

https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/

There will always be some level of variation but you can input it there and eat at ~500-600 less per day, and reassess every few weeks. Make sure to have healthy workouts. Even though you are overweight it is no excuse not to walk a couple miles a day, or do some light weight training to stimulate muscle growth and help lose weight.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 03:28:55 No.13308523 Report

Quoted By: >>13308567 >>13308772

>>13306159
>18pounds difference between morning and night so how the hell
>how the hell
You're an idiot.
Or more likely a liar.
18 pounds of fat would be 63,000 calorie change.
18 pounds of water is over two gallons.
I don't believe you.
Even if true, exercise as much as practical, and eat as little as possible.
If you really gain or lose 18 pounds (and you don't), there's no need to recalculate anything.
You might want to see a therapist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 03:44:31 No.13308567 Report

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>>13306088
my secret to keeping weight is having stomach issues (hiatal hernia), so I can't eat much food or eat crappy food without feeling stomach pain.
but yeah, fat people could just close their fucking mouths for most part of the day, stop eating/drinking so much sugar, eat more vegetables to make yourself feel full and drink more water.
to kill all your fat you need to do exercise, that way you'll be burning it. you could also get surgery, though that's kind of risky.
I think the problem with fat people is they lack self control (as this pic shows >>13308523, which also shows that fat people lie to themselves and to other people) plus the damaged habits. eating and being hungry all day long is insane.

>>13306159
>18pounds difference between morning and night
that would be a lot of shit and pee. I call bullshit.

>>13306147
>ONLY eat when you are hungry
yeah, no. this is retarded. this is how you become fat in the first place, dumbass. as the other anon said, you should eat 3 times a day, and that means LITERALLY 3 TIMES A DAY: breakfast, lunch, dinner (or some light food if you want to lose fat)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 03:52:37 No.13308592 Report

Quoted By: >>13310634

>>13306088
JUST STOP EATING YOU FAT PIG. 100LBS OF EXCESS BODY FAT HAS ENOUGH CALORIES FOR YOU TO GO 6 MONTHS WITHOUT EATING.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 04:00:54 No.13308617 Report

Quoted By: >>13308697

>>13306088
>Let say I am 340 lbs and need 3200 calories to maintain, so i eat berlow maintenance but the fact that i am losing weight automatically lowers my maintenance lvl so im all of a sudden back above maintenance. This never ending game makes it so I have to re weight and recalibre my macro intake twice a day its very tiresome and the pounds keep on adding up
oh my fucking god, you have been "trying" to lose weight and the fact that you have to adjust your calorie intake as you lose weight has stopped you? like, that is your problem? like, youre here asking us about the science of it? holy fuck dont go into a science field, i mean youre another level of stupid, your problem is so easy to solve, it takes like, like,.. i dont know what level of stupidity it take its like someone telling you 2+2=watermelon, like where do you start, how do you even consider seriously and with respect a persojn such as you

YES YES YOU KING OF RETARDS, AS YOU LOSE WEIGHT YOU HAVE TO RECALCULATE YOUR DIET AS YOU LOSE WEIGHT, ITS NOT HTAT HARD

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Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 04:16:23 No.13308663 Report

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>>13306088
It gets more complicated because it depends on how your body utilizes resources. If you eat a bunch of calories but for some reason your body doesn’t utilize it and you just poop it out, you aren’t going to gain weight. What people mean by thermodynamics is if you eat 1000 calories but run and burn 1000 calories obviously the calories need to go somewhere and your net body calories will remain the same assuming your body 100% utilizes the calories you ate. I understand your struggle of over eating is an addiction. I never got addicted to overeating but I quit smoking and that was physically painful and mentally painful. I recommend somehow getting your ass to the gym. People won’t judge you at the gym if you are exercising they will see you as a person trying to improve themselves. It’s honorable. Then some how figuring out how to eat less. Weight lost pills *kind of work* at least the ones that have caffeine in them because caffeine acts as a appetite suppressant. It will take the edge off the hunger but is NOT a cure all. Go *well* below the maintenance calories for your weight but not starvation levels if you can. Wish you luck OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 04:26:30 No.13308697 Report

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>>13308617
>YOU HAVE TO RECALCULATE
I disagree.
If OP limits his diet to below 1800 calories a day, there's absolutely no need to calculate anything.
He tries to justify eating far more than that, but that's just his denial bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 04:42:37 No.13308772 Report

Quoted By: >>13309840

>>13308523
I have previously had a weight differential of around 10lbs. I don't believe 18lbs is possible, but I'm an average-sized man so who knows. Obviously, no one can lose 18lbs of fat in a day. People that buy into that magazine bullshit about losing 10lbs a week are fucking retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 05:06:49 No.13308851 Report

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>>13306088
To preface, it is repulsive that you are straining the medical system by being an insulin resistant, obese degenerate. You will die early of atherosclerosis and/or blood vessel damage from blood sugar. The only way to lose the weight in a remotely reasonable amount of time is to literally eat zero calories per day. In 6 months you will have barely reached an acceptable weight. It feels like you can't lose weight because losing weight is just hard and it takes time no matter how restrictive you are. You literally must eat less than 1000cal/day minimum to make any noticeable progress AND never cheat. A 10k run might burn 600cal. Your fat ass can eat 600cal in <10min. Do the fucking math you fucking scum.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 06:25:12 No.13309071 Report

Quoted By: >>13309898

>>13306088
its literally a fundamental law of nature,

we used the same laws to atomise millions in the atomic bomb dropping.

Go there and ask one of the deformed kids from radiation poisoning if the laws of thermodynamics are real or not

Go and find a kid on a drumstick in a hospital drooling with a super sized head and three weeks left to live if he believes in the laws

If you break those laws we have 100, trillion dollars to give you, you will literally be the most powerful human ever to exist.

if you can destroy or create energy or manipulate it outside of these laws you will in effect be a GOD.

whats more likely?
Fatty doesn't want to exercise and keeps eating too many cakes... or someone has figured out a way to do god like energy manipulation

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 11:51:02 No.13309840 Report

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>>13308772
I once lost 70 lbs in 7 months, and that involved both diet and exercise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 12:04:40 No.13309893 Report

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Get liposuction. No, you wont get fat again in 2 months. Liposuction removes the fat cells so getting fat will be biologically impossible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 12:07:03 No.13309898 Report

Quoted By: >>13309911

>>13309071
You can shit out calories. Its a lie than an excess has to be stored. People are born with different levels and distribution of fat cells, which grow or shrink in size but dont multiply. Naturally thin people have less fat cells.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 12:11:56 No.13309911 Report

Quoted By: >>13310145

>>13309898
[citation needed fattie]

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 12:24:27 No.13309940 Report

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>>13306088
Just stop eating you stupid fat fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 12:36:29 No.13309967 Report

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I think fat people should not lose weight. In fact they should only increase it. Just think about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 13:44:32 No.13310145 Report

Quoted By: >>13310493 >>13310631

>>13309911
Its not my fault you are ignorant of basic biology. Do you think human fat is a butter stick under your skin? Fat is a living tissue like any organ. Take it out you cant get it back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 14:11:36 No.13310210 Report

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>>13306088
They're just idiots who believe in magic. They don't realize you can piss out sugar, your body's ability to access fat is dependent on tons of different factors and other nutrients, a lot fo the weight in the body is water, and the body's baseline metabolic rate is not constant. the list goes on.

It's a complex nonlinear system and the I/O is not straightforward. People relying on the thermodynamics nonsense are going to just recommend calorie counting rather than lifestyle and food content improvement. They're pseuds.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 15:45:41 No.13310493 Report

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>>13310145
Not my point.
I'm sure lots of fatties believe their genetics make them helpless martyrs while skinny people just magically shit out excess calories.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 15:52:46 No.13310512 Report

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the key to losing fat is to control your insulin. which means you need to eat what you eat, but very importantly, WHEN you eat

fasting and keto lost me 11kg in 2 months. keto is not really essential though and is very boring

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Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 16:27:25 No.13310593 Report

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>>13306088
What's your designated fatbastard depression meal, /sci/?
Mine is
>Large fries
>9 nugs
>2 Double Cheeseburgers
>1 Big N Tasty
>3 0.5L beers
Could also replace the McDonalds food with 2 medium Domino's pizzas

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 16:33:14 No.13310604 Report

Quoted By: >>13310615

If you want to break the laws of thermodynamics take DNP :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 16:35:43 No.13310612 Report

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Ok that's cool, but how do i build muscle?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 16:36:13 No.13310615 Report

Quoted By: >>13310618

>>13310604
It literally doesn't because it just transforms the free energy into heat

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 16:37:37 No.13310618 Report

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>>13310615
Dying of hyperthermia is breaking the laws of thermodynamics tho right :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 16:41:47 No.13310631 Report

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>>13310145
No the triglycerides will just be stored in different tissues and fuck you up even more you DUMB FUCKING NIGGEr. lmao muh basic biology you fucking subhuman obese fuck I cant wait til you get a fucking thrombosis you fucking fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 16:42:56 No.13310634 Report

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>>13308592

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Anonymous Tue 22 Jun 2021 18:18:50 No.13310899 Report

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>>13306088
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/314119288_ALTERATION_IN_CARBOHYDRATE_METABOLISM_BY_SUB-ACUTE_LEAD_EXPOSURE_A_DOSE_DEPENDENT_STUDY

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