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Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 21:18:28 2021 No.13290205 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13290319 >>13292027 >>13292178

I would like to have a legitimate discussion on the racial intelligence gap.

Racial gap deniers; On what basis do you dismiss 70,000 years of evolutionary divergence in such different environments?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 2021 21:27:37 No.13290234 Report

Quoted By: >>13290240 >>13290264 >>13290360

> wants to prove that genetics is responsible for IQ differences, opposing the scientific consensus
> cites n=101 study from 1983 that uses the word "orientals"
Any decent sources that aren't this or the Bell Curve lmao

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Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 2021 21:30:30 No.13290240 Report

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>>13290234

>wants to prove that genetics is responsible for IQ differences, opposing the scientific consensus

I feel like everyone knows genetics plays a roll, just no one wants to get Watsoned

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-dna-pioneer-s-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-westerners-394898.html

>cites n=101 study from 1983 that uses the word "orientals"

How else would you propose to follow the same sample population from childhood to adulthood?

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Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 2021 21:38:22 No.13290264 Report

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>>13290234
>wants to prove that genetics is responsible for IQ differences, opposing the scientific consensus

I feel like everyone knows genetics plays a role, just no one wants to get Watsoned

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-dna-pioneer-s-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-westerners-394898.html

>cites n=101 study from 1983 that uses the word "orientals"

How else would you propose to follow the same sample population from childhood to adulthood?

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Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 2021 21:41:12 No.13290273 Report

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>people still replying to this post

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Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 2021 21:54:59 No.13290319 Report

Quoted By: >>13290346 >>13290387

>>13290205
I don't think anyone seriously denies that IQ is partially due to genetics.

I think it's more that the genes for your skin or eye or hair color are not the same genes responsible for brain capacity. And that the lines between races are very fuzzy in reality. Also, there are non-hereditary factors like diet and lifestyle. Despite this, (for usually political reasons like pushing some narrative) people might group people somewhat arbitrarily and attribute their differences in IQ to those non-brain-capacity related genes, and sometimes disregard non-hereditary factors.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 2021 22:01:59 No.13290344 Report

Quoted By: >>13290370

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBc7qBS1Ujo

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Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 2021 22:02:17 No.13290346 Report

Quoted By: >>13292322

>>13290319
No one is saying that darker skin itself causes lower intelligence. It's just that the environment that selects for darker skin also doesn't really select for forethought and reason.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 2021 22:05:21 No.13290360 Report

Quoted By: >>13290368 >>13290994

>>13290234
> wants to prove that genetics is responsible for IQ differences,
>opposing the scientific consensus
Consensus is the exact opposite of what you imagine it to be.
Here is a survey of psychologists from 1987. Purely environmental position was a fringe minority view.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 2021 22:07:57 No.13290368 Report

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>>13290360
And here from 2013.
Btw, most of the sample here were liberals :)

>that uses the word "orientals"
lmao you are gonna shit bricks if you learn what they they blacks

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Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 2021 22:08:59 No.13290370 Report

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>>13290344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHYMnrcqhz0

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Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 2021 22:13:39 No.13290387 Report

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>>13290319
>I think it's more that the genes for your skin or eye or hair color are not the same genes responsible for brain capacity.
cool
nobody says this

>And that the lines between races are very fuzzy in reality.
Okay and? Racialist scientists from 19th century acknowledged the same thing so what do you think it proves? That race isn't real?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Jun 2021 22:23:03 No.13290407 Report

Quoted By: >>13291013 >>13291016 >>13292110 >>13294473

ok, scientifically speaking,
if I'm 78% european but only 8% black should I be worried? also, how does pigmentation correlates to IQ and behavior? If I have light brown skin + dark hair + brown eyes should I be worried somehow?
how much does 22% admixture (being 8% black) invalidate the other 78% which is white?
those are legit questions, no meme answers please.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 02:09:51 No.13290990 Report

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>I feel like everyone knows genetics plays a role, just no one wants to get Watsoned

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 02:11:18 No.13290994 Report

Quoted By: >>13291991

>>13290360
Looks like it's more widely reported than hereditarianism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 02:16:13 No.13291013 Report

Quoted By: >>13292063

>>13290407
You're obviously Latino, so certain segments of your chromosome are African of origin. Remember intelligence is a polygenic trait, so traits which influence intelligence are dispersed homogeneously through the chromosomes, so yes, your cognition has been influenced by your African ancestry.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 02:17:12 No.13291016 Report

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>>13290407
It matters more how intelligent your parents are.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 08:10:22 No.13291991 Report

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>>13290994
hereditarianism =/= entirely genetic. That's called genetic determinism which is a position virtually nobody holds.
In this paper Rushton and Jensen went with 50-50 model as hereditarian position.

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 08:25:34 No.13292027 Report

Quoted By: >>13292041

>>13290205
I don't care about your evidence. Acknowledging racial differences will cause minorities to be dehumanized by their opressors. This is literally genocide.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 08:31:10 No.13292041 Report

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>>13292027
>hmm so your IQ seems to be 15 points lo---
>help I'm being genocided
Why are blacks so fragile?

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 08:43:53 No.13292063 Report

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>>13291013
>You're obviously Latino
No. No latino in there. Do you think latino is just halfway between white and black?

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 09:05:51 No.13292110 Report

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>>13290407
That's a stupid way of thinking.
Intelligence is affected by a large number of genes. It's also affected by your environment and upbringing. Within population variance is much larger than between population variance, so even if Japs are smarter than Ghanaians on average there are still going to be stupid Japanese and smart Ghanaians.
We have no fucking idea how smart you are done from your proportion of racial ancestry, but can be confident that the answer is 'not very' from the way you approach the question.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 09:46:02 No.13292171 Report

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 09:47:44 No.13292178 Report

Quoted By: >>13292347 >>13292402

>>13290205
what exactly is the purpose of this thread?
prejudice against any group especially for science which is already an outlier field just reduces chance of outliers existing for science

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 11:15:15 No.13292322 Report

Quoted By: >>13292346 >>13292410

>>13290346
>It's just that the environment that selects for darker skin also doesn't really select for forethought and reason.
Which is completely false.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 11:26:05 No.13292346 Report

Quoted By: >>13292408 >>13292412

>>13292322
IQs are universally lower nearer the equator. It makes perfect sense that those who can subsist on hunter gathering year-round wouldn't necessarily develop past that point.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 11:27:08 No.13292347 Report

Quoted By: >>13292406

>>13292178
You can't learn something just to learn it?

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 11:36:29 No.13292369 Report

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 12:00:40 No.13292402 Report

Quoted By: >>13294897

>>13292178
>what exactly is the purpose of this thread?
This is

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 12:04:49 No.13292406 Report

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>>13292347
In practice, people rarely do.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 12:05:58 No.13292408 Report

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>>13292346
>It makes perfect sense that those who can subsist on hunter gathering year-round wouldn't necessarily develop past that point.
Except it doesn't.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 12:07:03 No.13292410 Report

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>>13292322
>Which is completely false.
How do you explain the 0.9 correlation between national IQ and skin reflectance i.e. lighter skin associated with higher IQ? And the 0.7 correlation between national IQ and latitude?

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 12:08:07 No.13292411 Report

Quoted By: >>13293211

>>13292369
Based OP

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 12:08:22 No.13292412 Report

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>>13292346
Brainlet take. Foraging in tropical environments is challenging, to the extent that anthropologists have argued (incorrectly, as it turns out), that jungle foragers could not have existed prior to the establishment of the neighbouring agricultural societies they trade with. Resource availability is strongly seasonal in many tropical environments due the alternation of wet and dry periods.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 17:14:16 No.13293211 Report

Quoted By: >>13293330

>>13292411
you mean the guy who wrote the code for OP? or are you praising the bot itself?

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 17:53:16 No.13293330 Report

Quoted By: >>13294257

>>13293211
Based whoever is keeping race & IQ discussion alive in here

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 22:22:53 No.13294257 Report

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>>13293330
>soience

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Anonymous Fri 18 Jun 2021 23:22:57 No.13294473 Report

Quoted By: >>13294839

>>13290407
>thinking population level scores have any bearing on you as an individual
Lrn2stats

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Anonymous Sat 19 Jun 2021 01:10:29 No.13294839 Report

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>>13294473
>Not realizing you're a member of a population

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Anonymous Sat 19 Jun 2021 01:25:23 No.13294897 Report

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>>13292402
That is pointless.

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