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Friston's free energy principle

Anonymous Tue 01 Jun 04:36:37 2021 No.13219611 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>13221072 >>13221129 >>13221712 >>13223596 >>13223847 >>13224111

Is this really the dynamics of the brain (and actually all life)? Is it really that simple?

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jun 2021 04:55:24 No.13219658 Report

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I would be surprised if there were more than 1 person on earth who understands what is meant by the symbols in OP
that's not a compliment btw

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jun 2021 12:53:57 No.13221072 Report

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>>13219611
Yes it is, read Bastos et al 2012

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Anonymous Tue 01 Jun 2021 13:18:26 No.13221129 Report

Quoted By: >>13221705 >>13221957 >>13222029 >>13223610

>>13219611
>s this really the dynamics of the brain (and actually all life)? Is it really that simple?
No
I will only believe materialist retards when they manage to simulate a brain using the same energy a brain consumes in a device that is the same size of a brain

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jun 2021 16:02:06 No.13221694 Report

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>>13219658
>I can't understand it therefore it's false

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jun 2021 16:03:56 No.13221705 Report

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>>13221129
It's easy to recreate the device, though. You just have to impregnate a woman and about 9 months later she'll poop out a new machine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jun 2021 16:05:37 No.13221712 Report

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>>13219611
Why are all these equations in Portuguese?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jun 2021 17:12:44 No.13221957 Report

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>>13221129
If this is materialism (it's not strictly - it's more like information science), then what is the alternative?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jun 2021 17:29:28 No.13222029 Report

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>>13221129
>>13221957
It's actually quite modest in its claims. It doesn't claim to explain consciousness or life. It only claims to give a information-theoretic description of what living systems are doing (minimize free energy).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Jun 2021 21:43:57 No.13222960 Report

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>>13221072
It's been debunked.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jun 2021 01:05:13 No.13223596 Report

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>>13219611
He acknowledges it's purely descriptive. It doesn't really tell you how to min. free energy in most cases.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jun 2021 01:10:12 No.13223610 Report

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>>13221129
>Doesn’t realize the free energy principle predicts the thermodynamic efficiency of the brain

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jun 2021 01:15:09 No.13223622 Report

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>>13223596
It’s still a very powerful objective function. My intuition is that it could be used to make better protein folding models

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jun 2021 01:56:45 No.13223733 Report

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>>13223596
Couldn't you just add stochastic resonance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Jun 2021 02:38:50 No.13223847 Report

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>>13219611
It literally just says the brain is doing bayesian inference

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jun 2021 02:55:39 No.13223898 Report

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>>13223847
No

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jun 2021 04:05:58 No.13224070 Report

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>>13223898
Yes

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Anonymous Wed 02 Jun 2021 04:20:06 No.13224111 Report

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>>13219611
Another schizo thread, nice.

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