>>13203820>the God that they're describing here is just the Universeclassical brainlet mistake
If the universe wasn't created, the universe is eternal, as it doesn't have a beginning nor an end
However as far as we know, there is nothing in the universe that is eternal, that is, does not have a beginning and an end
So what does the word universe mean? It cannot simply be the set of all things, because the set of all temporally extinguishable things cannot be itself eternal unless it in itself has an additional property that the things do not have
So between universe and set of all things, there is a qualitative jump, the universe has a property, that of eternity, that isn't shared by any of it's objects
Therefore, between the universe and it's entities, it's repeated the same problem atheists see between God and the universe ("who created God?")
If all things have a temporal existence, they begin and they end, but the set of them all has the property of being eternal, never have begun, then it's evident that this universe holds to the things inside it a disproportional relation, exactly like the christian doctrine says there is between God and the universe, so now you atheists have to explain this transcendental property of the universe to transcend all of it's entities. To say it in another way, the universe cannot be comprehended as a mere set, a set of all or the sum of all things, but as a principle in which they are fundamented. So everything that is temporal is sustained in the eternity of the universe.
So "universe" then is the word that designates the founding principle of everything that exists.
In other words, atheists, thinking they did anything to the cosmological argument, actually just change the word God for universe, and did not solve the problem in any way
