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Why do people use the concept of "ethnicity"?

N Sun 18 Apr 10:44:17 2021 No.12994424 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12994429 >>12994430 >>12994437 >>12994459 >>12994476 >>12994541

Its not like ethnicity is a valid genetic construct to begin with. What does it mean to be hungarian? Or czech? Who is actually ethnically hungarian? 10% of our population is gypsy nowadays and they have been living here for centuries,why are they less "hungarian" than us? Also why the hell do we pretend that actual hungarians are an ethnic monolith? The ones in the west are clearly closer to the austrians and the germans genetically speaking whereas the rest are closer to the serbs and romanians. Who is the fucking kike who implemented this shitty way of categorizating people?

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Anonymous Sun 18 Apr 2021 10:46:02 No.12994429 Report

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>>12994424
There is only one ethnicity: Male.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Apr 2021 10:46:05 No.12994430 Report

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>>12994424
who is the girl in that pic OP??? I want to fckk her so much

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Anonymous Sun 18 Apr 2021 10:48:52 No.12994437 Report

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>>12994424
ethnicity can be a national or supranational thing, but it usually becomes more relevant when you pass from one continent to another

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N Sun 18 Apr 2021 10:52:59 No.12994449 Report

Quoted By: >>12994462 >>12994508

Look at germany for instance. What the hell does it mean to be "ethnically german"? Why are east germans considered equally german as the western ones when they are much closer to the poles? It doesnt make any sense to put people in a category based on some XIXth century artificial construct. We should have local groups of people instead,like "west german","east german","west hungarian","transylvanian" etc. Thatd make it all more accurate. There should also be a way to stop amerimutts from claiming they are muh this and muh that. Being 50% polish and 50% irish doesnt make you closer to the notion of being polish than being 90% west ukrainian and 10% polish.

N Sun 18 Apr 2021 10:54:52 No.12994450 Report

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>>12994437
Why not use race if thats rhe case? You truly expect me to think that its easier to determine who is "japanese" or "korean" vs "german" or "french" than it is to determine who is white and whos asian?

>Inb4 race is a spectrum,where does being asian begin and end

Same could be said about ethnicity

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Anonymous Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:01:02 No.12994459 Report

Quoted By: >>12994467

>>12994424
national identity != ethnic identity
dont mix things up
the national state has been a fairly recent invention (100 to 200 years) in the scope of humanity

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Anonymous Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:02:42 No.12994462 Report

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>>12994449
Identity is made up but still real in the sense that the feeling is real. Tribal allegiance is also real but not eternal since tribes can split, migrate and merge

N Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:05:24 No.12994467 Report

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>>12994459
What is an ethnic german? Is it the german speaking people who have been living in the rhineland since the roman times and who have northwest european dna or the german speakers from eastern germany who have been living around elbe for over a millennium and who have more east european dna? Whats the point in grouping them together under one ethnic identity when they have less in common with one another than with the groups surrounding them? (A german from hannover is more "dutch" and a german from leipzig is more "polish")

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Anonymous Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:08:28 No.12994476 Report

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>>12994424
>Its not like ethnicity is a valid genetic construct to begin with
its is
you can classify people as being part of an ethnic group based on their genetic code as you can define and assign certain genetic combinations to be the defining label for a certain ethnic group
>what about national states
thats a different concept
> why the hell do we pretend that actual hungarians are an ethnic monolith
thats a silly point to make as the answer is really obvious; a) this is not monlithic and b) dont mix ethnic identity and national identity
>shitty way of categorizating
dont like the metric of genetic codings to group and potentially separate people in statistics? fair, this a rather abstract concept that might seem alien
circumstances decide which classifications have merit and which are arbitrary

N Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:08:44 No.12994477 Report

Quoted By: >>12994483 >>12994490

>>12994462
How can you prove that a "feeling" is real? Anyway,lets start from the presumption that it is real. Do you think that some half pole half german mischling living in the us could consider themselves to be polish even though they dont show any sort of allegiance to their country (neither social,nor cultural,not even lingvistic or religious)? Keep in mind that this "germano-pole" could have russian,ukrainian or even jewish roots if one goes back far enough. Is this person more of a pole than say an assimilated belorussian?

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Anonymous Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:11:51 No.12994483 Report

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>>12994477
>how to probe feeling is real
Nigger

N Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:14:07 No.12994486 Report

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>>12994476
>its is
you can classify people as being part of an ethnic group based on their genetic code as you can define and assign certain genetic combinations to be the defining label for a certain ethnic group

No,you cant. There is no standard german that could be used as a reference so theres no actual way of determining who is more german than who and after a deep genwtic analysis one can conclude that east germans are closer to the west slavs than to west germans. Likewise the north french are ethnically closer to the dutch and the west germans than to their souther counterparts. Since theres no standard french or german genetic code either,one can conclude its idiotic to put people with different genomes in artificially created categories.

>thats a silly point to make as the answer is really obvious; a) this is not monlithic and b) dont mix ethnic identity and national identity

No. All ethnic hungarians in transdanubia are ethnically closer to the germans in bavaria and austria than they are to the east hungarians and the east hungarians are closer to the romanians and serbs. You are silly for not understanding little one

>dont like the metric of genetic codings to group and potentially separate people in statistics? fair, this a rather abstract concept that might seem alien
circumstances decide which classifications have merit and which are arbitrary

Stop pretending you know what you are talking about. Being sarcastic makes you look like even more of an idiot when you are clueless about the topic at hand

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Anonymous Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:15:31 No.12994490 Report

Quoted By: >>12994498

>>12994477
>How can you prove that a "feeling" is real
so you want to branch off into completely different topics and directions?
ill answer anyways: inducing emotions or feelings during mri scans

N Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:21:49 No.12994498 Report

Quoted By: >>12994510

>>12994490
Ok so as long as someone joins a tribe and feel like they are part of it they will be deemed to be regular members of that group?by that logic chinks in germany are german

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Anonymous Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:24:29 No.12994502 Report

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>>12994486
yes you can, this is exactly what evolutionary biologists and geneticists do
your complete ignorance does not change the state of scientific method and progress
>theres no standard french
there is an average french and an average in genetic traits against an individual can be compared, so i disagree with that notion
>X ethnically closer to Y
oh really, based on what metric? that genetic classification which you deemed to be a "shitty way of categorization"?
great consistency and intellectual honesty
>All ethnic hungarians in transdanubia are ethnically closer to the germans in bavaria and austria than they are to the east hungarians and the east hungarians are closer to the romanians and serbs
maybe they are, still the mertic on which you make that judgement is not proven to not be arbitrary and still the question remains:
what for? why care about who is "close" to who? how is this relevant and in which context?
i dont think you are being sufficiently specific and transparent about your motivation

>accusations and insults
>fails to quote properly
are you interested in a discussion or rather in belittling anonymous strangers? for the latter you are on the wrong board.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:29:41 No.12994508 Report

Quoted By: >>12994542

>>12994449
>What the hell does it mean to be "ethnically x"?
it means that you're not chimping out and detonating IEDs to create yet another nation for your arbitrarily defined ethnic y.

>>12994450
both race and ethnicy are social constructs, the only reason they're so important is that most of humanity consists of midwits whose midwit leaders agreed to enshrine these concepts into international law 70 years ago. now the midwit has the right to cry about cultural genocide for all eternity and each arbitrary group of midwits has the right to self determination. since all real estate has been claimed and because demographics change over time that means forever war until killbots finally solve the midwit problem for good.

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Anonymous Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:30:24 No.12994510 Report

Quoted By: >>12994542

>>12994498
The feeling has to be mutual. If a chink says hes german and Germans say he is, then he is. That never happens with Germans tho

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N Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:38:14 No.12994534 Report

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>>12994502
>yes you can, this is exactly what evolutionary biologists and geneticists do

This is like saying that we "can count to infinity. This is what mathematicians and computer scientists do".

>your complete ignorance does not change the state of scientific method and progress

You are projecting waaaay too hard. Why enter a conversation when you know nothing about the topic itself? You are embarrassing yourself.

>there is an average french and an average in genetic traits against an individual can be compared, so i disagree with that notion

No,there is not. An "average" french genetically speaking relies on the assumption that the population of france is static,which is not the case. France has only existed in its current form for 200 years and is actively being replaced by muslims from north africa. No matter how much "scientific rigor" (laughable notion) one is to use,its impossible to quantify something thats subjective and changeable. The average french from 2000 isnt the same as the one from 2021 ffs. How about we compare something that can actually be identified,namely subgroups while disregarding both noneuropeans and the artificial construct? Thatd be more logic.

>oh really, based on what metric? that genetic classification which you deemed to be a "shitty way of categorization"?

Pic related. North italians are closer to central europeans than to south italians. Thats the metric. Its not the method that i am contesting. I dont deny the fact that genomes are observable and measurable,I contest the way in which we use that information. We form groups on artificial,subjective criterias because we dont accept the genetical notion of subgroup (of a race) and have to use some sociological gibberish instead.

>maybe they are, still the mertic on which you make that judgement is not proven to not be arbitrary

Yes,it is. You can google it.

>what for? why care about who is "close" to who? how is this relevant and in which context?
For accuracy's sake

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Anonymous Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:41:10 No.12994541 Report

Quoted By: >>12994549

>>12994424
oh if you think gypsys are indistinguishable from hungarians you are 100% retarded

N Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:41:32 No.12994542 Report

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>>12994510
Lol
>>12994508
>it means that you're not chimping out and detonating IEDs to create yet another nation for your arbitrarily defined ethnic y.

I wasted 5 seconds of my life reading this.

>both race and ethnicy are social constructs, the only reason they're so important is that most of humanity consists of midwits whose midwit leaders agreed to enshrine these concepts into international law 70 years ago.

I could agree with that. Though you gotta admit that there are genetic differences between human groups and subgroups. Im not saying theres a fully accurate way of determining who is part of what group,especially in regards to populations living close to one another but the discrepanxies exist nonetheless.

>since all real estate has been claimed and because demographics change over time that means forever war until killbots finally solve the midwit problem for good.

Based aspie

N Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:44:36 No.12994549 Report

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>>12994541
Why are gypsies not ethnic hungarians? On what basis? They have been living here since the 1300s,maybe even earlier,they speak hungarian (for the most part) and have a citizenship. They integrate very well into the notion of "ethnicity"...if you were to contest that they are part of the subgroups i mentioned then youd be in the right. This is why I am trying to deconstruct the notion of ethnicity to begin with and replace it with something more efficient.

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N Sun 18 Apr 2021 11:48:09 No.12994557 Report

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Basically this. And its not like there arent clearly defined regions in which these people live. North italians generally live around the Po river and upwards,southern italians live south of rome. Why are they the same ethnicity when the northern ones are more similar to the czechs and austrians and the southerners to greeks?

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