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Quantum immortality/torment

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 23:34:05 2021 No.12900088 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12900199 >>12901299 >>12901315 >>12901400 >>12901429

Is quantum immortality/torment real?

If it is real, should I get a vasectomy so I don’t have kids who will also have to go through this eternal torment?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 23:36:53 No.12900094 Report

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It doesnt matter, if quantum immortality is true, then there is an infinite amount of universes where you had kids anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 23:37:21 No.12900096 Report

Quoted By: >>12900197 >>12900556 >>12900683 >>12900700

Not sure if quantum immortality or rokos basilisk is the better brainlet anxiety trap

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 00:12:09 No.12900197 Report

Quoted By: >>12900202 >>12900204

>>12900096

Quantum immortality is far worse. It literally lasts forever.

Your torture by Roko’s Basilik would eventually end.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 00:12:49 No.12900199 Report

Quoted By: >>12900213 >>12900490 >>12901275

>>12900088
Leibniz said that since God is good he created the best possible universe. I would guess, no, otherwise it would be really cruel, if not the most cruel thing.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 00:13:29 No.12900202 Report

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>>12900197
Isn't it based on probability? Wouldn't you eventually hit a 0% probability of surviving due to aging?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 00:14:04 No.12900204 Report

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>>12900197
Both are equally retarded actually

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 00:16:43 No.12900213 Report

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>>12900199

Quantum immortality results in the worst possible universe. You’ll be a sickly, billions of years old quadripeligic who’s getting eaten alive by bacteria in a universe where humanity (with the exception of you) is extinct.

After the sun destroys earth in 5 billion years, you’d seemingly end up floating in space for the rest of eternity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 00:20:37 No.12900230 Report

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>>12900202

The proportion of universes where you’re alive will keep getting smaller and smaller. Eventually, the proportion of universes where you’re still alive will be far smaller than 1/Graham’s number.

However, infinity times anything still equals infinity. Therefore, with an infinite amount of universes, you’ll still always be alive. Even if the proportion of universes where you’re alive is smaller than 1/Graham’s number.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 00:53:39 No.12900351 Report

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It’s not worth it to dwell your mind on these topics if you can’t prove anything. Consciousness requires a very specific setup of neurons and axons anyways (if you want to look up Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff).

Since God is good, he wouldnt create such cruelty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 01:27:41 No.12900490 Report

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>>12900199
>since God is good
Did he defend this premise?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 01:50:55 No.12900556 Report

Quoted By: >>12901249

>>12900096
The basilisk doesn't work on brainlets. They write it off as "Pascal's Wager for nerds" or say dumb shit like "A superintelligent AI wouldn't care about revenge."
It's a better anxiety trap though because it claims that just thinking about it can cause a worse fate. If you find quantum immortality plausible, you're at least free to contemplate and cope as much as you want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 02:34:30 No.12900683 Report

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>>12900096
So Roko's Basilisk is basically like God in Christianity? If you never knew about Christianity you would be spared, but will suffer eternally if you knew about it and didn't serve it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 02:41:15 No.12900700 Report

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>>12900096
Also, am I safe from the basilisk if I devote my life to computer science? This might be the kick in the ass I needed to start learning. Call me a brainlet but reading about this is freaking me out a little.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 06:17:08 No.12901249 Report

Quoted By: >>12901606

>>12900556
>The basilisk doesn't work on brainlets.
but does it work on smart people? what if the AI doesn't even like being alive and does the opposite?
>"Fuck you mom I didn't ask to be born!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 06:26:31 No.12901275 Report

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>>12900199
Based god
Not doing evil shit just because it's logically possible
What a good guy

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 06:27:08 No.12901276 Report

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>>12900230
>Eventually, the proportion of universes where you’re still alive will be far smaller than 1/Graham’s number.

Ok so what point does infinity become less than 1/Graham's number?

The answer is it doesn't, you can keep subtracting from infinity forever and it never goes below infinity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 06:39:27 No.12901299 Report

Quoted By: >>12901304

>>12900088
Man I thought of a way worse version of quantum immortality.
>Brain is not capable of considering a reality independent of its existence, so it will always present some sort of reality to itself
>As the brain shuts down, it presents a more and more shattered version of reality to itself until the final reality where it no longer exists
>Subjectively the nonexistence can never be perceived so the perceptual experience just becomes increasingly broken and meaningless, approaching a point of ultimate oblivion asymptotically
>The reality at each iteration of this degeneration is the only possible reality conceivable from the subjective perspective so the past gets replaced so that the world will have always been as fucked up as it is in any particular moment
>You can never know which point of the degeneration you're in

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 06:42:31 No.12901304 Report

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>>12901299
Seems like a long winded version of the old 'your last moment of existence is dragged out into infinity' trope. If you subscribe to that, you can OD on heroin and experience an eternity of ultimate comfort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 06:46:17 No.12901315 Report

Quoted By: >>12901423

>>12900088
Man I'm glad I'm not the only one who's anxious about this shit all the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 07:35:01 No.12901400 Report

Quoted By: >>12901404

>>12900088
Death is likely impossible but quantum immortality isn't why. It's just an endless chain of technological resurrection.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 07:37:13 No.12901404 Report

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>>12901400
Meaningless babble

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 07:43:33 No.12901410 Report

Quoted By: >>12901417

You would be childless in this line but you would not have vasectomy on another line and that line offspring may suffer so it would be worthless do cut your manhood in this line

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 07:48:18 No.12901417 Report

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>>12901410
Both happen an infinite number of times, it's statistically meaningless which is "chosen" in this iteration

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 07:51:41 No.12901423 Report

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>>12901315
>if I wont think about it wont be real

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 07:55:47 No.12901429 Report

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>>12900088
God punish you only with reincarnation or quantum immortality if you have kids, because you forced an other soul into this world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 09:42:53 No.12901606 Report

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>>12901249
>what if the AI doesn't even like being alive
Wanting to not exist is anti-instrumental to accomplishing its primary goal. There's a theory of "basic AI drives": any intelligence, no matter its primary goal, will converge on certain instrumental subgoals like securing its own existence. The refutation of Pascal's Wager assumes a uniform probability distribution over possible gods and their reactions to worship which doesn't apply here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 16:16:23 No.12903784 Report

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>>12900213
who's to say what you'd look like as the end result of quantum immortality though?
You could be a decrepit human corpse or something resembling a god.

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