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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 11:25:31 2021 No.12897555 View Reply Original Report

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I don't believe in God, but the simulation theory is the most ridiculous shit I ever heard.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 11:41:35 No.12897599 Report

Quoted By: >>12897745 >>12898967

I don't think it's that ridiculous if you check out the actual proposal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculating_Space
Then there's the old belief that reality is an illusion, and with our knowledge of QM, the world seems to be energy, waves, particles, frequency and vibrations. Not exactly what we sense and see making a materialistic belief false.
When a person says simulation they can mean different things.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 11:45:18 No.12897610 Report

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>>12897555
>simulation theory is the most ridiculous shit I ever heard

You don't read much do you?

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 11:52:28 No.12897633 Report

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>>12897555
>I don't believe in God
>Posts religious chad vs atheist soijack
Okay.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 12:33:16 No.12897745 Report

Quoted By: >>12897821

>>12897599
>a newly constructed man made model used to calculate numbers is the ultimate truth of the universe
>"look this set of axioms proves itself"
do you still not see the problem with this debate? it's circular reasoning, what computation fags say is that this model is true because these axioms are true and these axioms are true because this model is true

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 12:40:37 No.12897766 Report

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>>12897555
Describe the simulation theory in a couple sentences.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 12:47:29 No.12897786 Report

Quoted By: >>12897804

>>12897766
It seems likely that as time goes on, we will make more and more accurate simulations. It seems plausible that in the future people in those simulations will be able to similar to how we can. Also, there's no reason not to multiply the simulations. So we expect that in the future, majority of thinking agents would unknowingly be in a simulation. Thus, seeing ourselves as a thinking agent among all the thinking agents that existed, it seems likely that we live in a simulation, because most thinking agents live in a simulation.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 12:54:34 No.12897801 Report

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>>12897555
>"There's a one in billions chance [we're in] base reality," Musk said. "I think it's one in billions. We should hope that's true because otherwise if civilization stops advancing, that could be due to some calamitous event that erases civilization, so maybe we should be hopeful this is a simulation. Otherwise, we will create simulations that are indistinguishable from reality or civilization will cease to exist. Those are the two options."

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 12:54:50 No.12897804 Report

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>>12897786
So it's an "almost always" probability argument, so to speak?

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 12:55:48 No.12897805 Report

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But already my desire and my will
were being turned like a wheel, all at one speed,
by the Love which moves the sun and the other stars.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 12:56:35 No.12897809 Report

Quoted By: >>12897821

Religion is a sophisticated theory + bearded man on a cloud. Remove man on a cloud, and you will get simulation theory.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 12:59:23 No.12897817 Report

Quoted By: >>12898973 >>12898987

>>12897804
Not that guy, but the way I see it, yeah. On an infinite time scale, given infinite resources, there's no limit to the "simulation" we can build. On an infinite scale, every real possibility has a probability of happening.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 13:00:37 No.12897821 Report

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>>12897745
honestly I'm not really debating it or at least I don't want to, I just don't think it's any more ridiculous than most other beliefs. All our logic is built on things we assume to be true and observe what regularly happens. I just don't care anymore. We can't know this answer right now.
I assume the world is logical and may or may not have some underlying intelligent design, that's about it. I wish I would get all the time I wasted debating shit on the internet or reading a bunch of philosophy and instead worked on a skill. So that's what I'm trying to do now, but 4channel and consuming content still holds its grips around me somewhat. I just want to tinker, train and make stuff. I don't want to care about this stuff anymore. It's depressing. And I hate these fucking wojaks and memes.
>>12897809
no not at all, he's not removed since someone had to make that simulation. Also the creator hypothesis isn't really some "bearded man on a cloud". It's a creator entity. They're pretty much similar ideas.
We don't know and we can't know, it's useless babbling.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 13:02:41 No.12897825 Report

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>>12897821
This world is anything but logical dude. Especially when you start getting down to quantum mechanics. Delayed choice doesn't make any logical sense whatsoever.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 13:25:12 No.12897868 Report

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>>12897825
I know, I'm just talking about the world we are in. This "layer" of illusionary reality. Like I said before I think materialism is "false". But I still look at the world and see systematic logic in nature that something builds with slight randomness and difference in each instance of every property, although most people are illogical but I think that's a problem with our system. And who knows what's if anything is below QM or above ourselves.
It's just my framework to exist on for now. And in my mind I just imagine a cartesian plane. I don't want to think about this philosophical stuff anymore, it led me out of suicidal nihilistic thoughts and to this realisation and I'm semi happy about it. But wasting more years on it is just wasteful.
I'm getting off now sorry, I promised myself yesterday that I'd quit longposting about stuff. I waste my time far too much here and in other places.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 13:54:43 No.12897942 Report

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Its so cute when people want to blindly believe that theres something more smarter and greater than humans. It meand humans are self loathing faggots, but at least they do realize that we re full of flaws

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 13:58:36 No.12897950 Report

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>>12897942
What makes you think there isn't? I don't blindly believe in anything. There's reasons I believe what I believe.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 14:26:13 No.12898030 Report

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>>12897555
I suppose the only difference is that there we can create simulations so there's "some" evidence it could exist. However it's just as speculative as any other non-testable theory.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 15:21:55 No.12898179 Report

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>>12897555
same here. popsci gone horribly wrong
t. physics phd

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 15:28:55 No.12898205 Report

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>>12897555
Go back to pol, schizo.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 15:38:01 No.12898245 Report

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>>12897555
All protestants are satanist though.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 16:33:03 No.12898506 Report

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>>12898245
Here we go. I'm getting popcorn.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 16:36:57 No.12898521 Report

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>>12898245
t. right wing catholic incel

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 16:39:11 No.12898529 Report

Quoted By: >>12898685

>>12898245
based and truthpilled. They seem obsessed with their own sins, greed especially. And pentecostalism is just straight up satanism.
Just look at this shit, even making a child do it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ABbktVDIc&ab_channel=NationalGeographic

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 16:56:10 No.12898583 Report

Quoted By: >>12898614 >>12898840

>>12897555
Simulation theory is totally fine, if only as a though experiment. But if it were true, wouldn't that make the creator of the simulation a god?

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:06:02 No.12898614 Report

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>>12898583
What is the threshold for being a God? If it's omniscience, no. If it's that you're both the beginning and the end of what you created, not necessarily. If it's that you're intangible and undecidable, I'd say yes.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:13:47 No.12898639 Report

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Simulation theory is Deism for nerds.

I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, but I DO think it's fucking hilarious that it's a belief held almost exclusively by formerly incorrigible evangelical atheists.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:15:57 No.12898646 Report

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No one would make a simulation this fucking boring

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:24:51 No.12898685 Report

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>>12898245
>>12898529
Not even a Christian myself, but why do Christians even have denominations? Wouldn't your god be adamantly against dividing up into groups like this? Why not just grab a bible and start discussing with one another without ever assuming you have all the answers? Isn't the only true requisite accepting Jesus?

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:32:28 No.12898711 Report

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>>12898685
idk. I'm not Christian either. I just find protestants and modern catholics usually very creepy though. Like with that video I linked. Fucking weird.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:35:23 No.12898720 Report

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>>12898685
You can't have organized religion without people who organize it. Community organizers are by nature extraverts; they are nosy, obnoxious, sectarian, and mean-girlish. It's impossible for them not to compete with other extraverts to be the best organizer. Organized religion is the opposite of personal religion, which is a pure, introverted autism.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:45:14 No.12898766 Report

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>>12898685
Christianity is essentially a revisionist version of Judaism. Jesus basically shows up and goes "dude what the fuck this isn't what dad wanted you assholes to do at all". He then clarifies some rules, does some compassionate shit, befriends a hooker, gets stapled to a tree, turns into a zombie, and teleports back to heaven.

Since a lot of the teachings of Jesus are contextual rather than explicitly told, there is disagreement over what the intended "dos and don'ts" are. Denominations usually divide along those lines.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:59:29 No.12898829 Report

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:00:41 No.12898834 Report

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>>12897555
>Wow, I figured out the Universe
You'll still die.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:01:52 No.12898840 Report

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>>12898583
It's not a solution at all.
As always, what created the creator?

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:11:58 No.12898882 Report

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>>12897555
to me it seems like it helps explain all the weird things we've observed or theorized at the fringes of reality. Doesn't mean I know it's true, it's completely untestable so of course I can't claim either way, but consider the following:
- physicists are pretty sure there was an event at the beginning of the universe where time started flowing. How did something come from nothing? Sounds like a simulation booting up to me...
- physicists are pretty sure light is both a wave and a particle at the same time. Sounds like a lazy programmer jerry-rigging something that looks right but actually isn't to me...
- physicists are pretty sure that all of reality is actually tiny strings vibrating in 10 dimensions. sounds like more lazy programmer illusions to me...
- black holes fuck with the passage of time around them, and objects moving quickly experience slower time. Sounds like a simulation lagging to me...

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:15:24 No.12898893 Report

Quoted By: >>12898960

>>12898685
That's what the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church is.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:32:34 No.12898960 Report

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>>12898893
BASADO.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:34:51 No.12898967 Report

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>>12897599
Replace the word simulation with God and you'll see it for the nonsense it is.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:36:23 No.12898973 Report

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>>12897817
>On an infinite time scale, given infinite resources, there's no limit to the "simulation" we can build. On an infinite scale, every real possibility has a probability of happening.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:37:40 No.12898980 Report

Quoted By: >>12898990 >>12898998

>>12898967
a god sort of implies that the creator has an active interest in the events of the earth, which is observably and obviously not true. A simulation implies that the creator is a dispassionate observer, which does match up with reality.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:38:42 No.12898987 Report

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>>12897817
we don't have infinite resources, doofus.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:39:26 No.12898990 Report

Quoted By: >>12899007

>>12898980
>which is observably and obviously not true
Not him, but what is your argument for this?

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:41:23 No.12898998 Report

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>>12898980
So you admit it's religious reasoning. Checkmate.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:43:18 No.12899007 Report

Quoted By: >>12899025

>>12898990
the idea that the creator wants things a certain way but has done nothing to actually make things that way, and told us the way he wants things through one guy in a very specific part of the world, through a document that cannot verify it's own truth, is ludicrous. I'm not nearly as smart as god is, and I know that humans will not agree on anything unless you shove it in their face, so my first act as god would be to prove to everybody that I am, in fact, god.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:46:50 No.12899025 Report

Quoted By: >>12899034

>>12899007
What a huge bore. I'd do the opposite. I'd make it like a funhouse, with all sorts of colorful nonsense and conflicting dead ends. I bet my universe gets more clicks.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:50:00 No.12899034 Report

Quoted By: >>12899049

>>12899025
which suggests that you would be more interested in observation than making the universe a specific way, thus supporting my point. You want the universe to be unpredictable so you can enjoy observing it.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:53:11 No.12899049 Report

Quoted By: >>12899070

>>12899034
Wasn't your point the opposite? That an active interest in the events of the earth was observably and obviously not true? I'm not saying it is true, just that is isn't observably or obviously not true.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 19:00:13 No.12899070 Report

Quoted By: >>12899101

>>12899049
you seem confused.
I'm saying that IF god was an active god, THEN he would make himself known to us.
I provided an example to support my proposition. You provided an example where you were not an active god, and you would not make yourself known as god. That is not a counterexample to the rule. The only counterexample to p -> q is p AND ~q. So you need to find a case that makes sense where an active god would not make himself known to humanity.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 19:09:59 No.12899101 Report

Quoted By: >>12899110 >>12899114

>>12899070
>a case that makes sense where an active god would not make himself known to humanity
That what my example is. I'm leaving a trail of colorful clues and red herrings all around, that never quite add up. Enough to tease people into trying to solve the problem of whether I exist or not, but never enough to let them beat the game.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 19:14:15 No.12899110 Report

Quoted By: >>12899132

>>12899101
Maybe God has a sense of humor, and we're just the butt of the joke.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 19:14:57 No.12899114 Report

Quoted By: >>12899137

>>12899101
that doesn't make you an active god that wants things a certain way, that makes you a prankster and an observer who wants to watch people be confused.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 19:20:16 No.12899132 Report

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>>12899110
It's one of my top clues. If I didn't have a sense of humor, why would laughing flood your brain with dopamine, seratonin, oxytocin, endorphins, etc.?

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 19:21:27 No.12899137 Report

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>>12899114
No, I'm adding energy to the system. I want it to be as colorful and energetic as possible.

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