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This footage still gives me a headache

Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 15:01:07 2021 No.12885846 View Reply Original Report

Give it to me straight: Is the footage released by the us government showing alien technology? Or is it nature we just can't understand yet?
I always thought it's stupid to believe such a thing but the data and footage is too crazy for it to be a distraction by the government.
What is this?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rO_M0hLlJ-Q

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 15:40:05 No.12885992 Report

Quoted By: >>12896532 >>12898559 >>12899428 >>12905729 >>12914891

Whenever the government releases something like this, I just wonder what the end game is. I just start thinking it's a psyop or something

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Anonymous Fri 26 Mar 2021 22:38:30 No.12887948 Report

Quoted By: >>12899389 >>12913622

It leaked years ago by hackers, no one paid much attention on the forum it leaked, Above Top Secret, since it was just another low res grainy video.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a30538203/navy-ufo-video-investigation/

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 11:01:00 No.12889951 Report

Quoted By: >>12892704 >>12894356 >>12898075

>>12885846

I think there isn't enough information out there in public to say either way. I think Mick West's interpretation of that video as showing rotating glare is quite solid (even the horizon can be seen to rotate a little bit in that video as the camera moves), but it's not clear exactly what is there producing the glare in the first place and I think it's plausible that the pilots were indeed filming something was very unusual to them.

Maybe it was a military test of some kind of spoofing technology, who knows? For me the strangest account are the pilots saying they saw with their own eyes a 40ft flying 'tic-tac'. That seems somehow stranger than blobs seen on radar on IR camera.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 11:28:25 No.12890024 Report

Quoted By: >>12908093

>>12885846

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-navy-laser-creates-plasma-ufos/?sh=4cff77bb1074

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 17:41:33 No.12891043 Report

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>>12885846
camera artifact. Blur movement is correlated with camera movement

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 18:04:02 No.12891116 Report

Quoted By: >>12895654

>>12885846
It’s been debunked as literally fucking nothing so calm your tits, spazmo.

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 18:13:44 No.12891143 Report

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>>12885846
Swamp gas

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Anonymous Sat 27 Mar 2021 18:19:08 No.12891153 Report

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>>12885846
why does this shit keep been posted every single fucking day?

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 01:17:24 No.12892487 Report

Quoted By: >>12894262 >>12894356

I invite you to read this: https://www.overcomingbias.com/2021/03/do-foo-fighters-show-our-snafu-fubar-future.html

Basically, it may be that inefficiency scales with organization size, so that most advanced civilizations are incredibly incompetent. These visitors may literally be too specialized and incompetent to even puzzle out our language. That's why they behave as oddly as they do.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 03:00:18 No.12892704 Report

Quoted By: >>12894346

>>12889951
Mark is fucking idiot The image is FLIR so the camera is seeing infrared Lens flare will have a completely different heat signature in the system is smart enough to filter it out. Most importantly the camera is locked onto a moving object and being a targeting system there’s no way for the lock onto lens flare or rotating glare.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 03:44:03 No.12892797 Report

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>>12885846
I'm old enough to remember all the flying triangle UFOs before the B-2 was shown to the public.
As this was officially released by the Pentagon after it leaked that makes me think this isn't US owned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 16:30:21 No.12894262 Report

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>>12892487
Not bad read, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 16:49:45 No.12894329 Report

Quoted By: >>12894356

>>12885846
Its not natural, at least if the claims made by them are true.
We are fast approaching a point where there are only a couple of explanations:either the people reporting these and the footage is faked on purpose, or its real which heavily implies ayyliums/advanced hologram tech which can trick many different sensors.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 16:56:56 No.12894346 Report

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>>12892704
>Lens flare will have a completely different heat signature in the system is smart enough to filter it out.
He never said it's lens flare. You're the idiot.

https://youtu.be/q3Oeaot9eX0

>Most importantly the camera is locked onto a moving object and being a targeting system there’s no way for the lock onto lens flare or rotating glare.
Where did he say it locked onto glare?

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 16:59:17 No.12894356 Report

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>>12885846
>>12894329
>>12892487
>>12889951
this is what is wrong with the atheists, ie schizos. It is their deep narcissism which prevents them to understand that some alien smart enough to come here with amazing ships would not require several centuries of lurking in the shadows in order to do clandestine perverted studies of humans.

But no, according to the atheist bugman, a human is so complex that the aliens way more advanced than bugmen need to take his time to study mighty humans who shit in the streets and whose peak was building some expensive unreliable ineffective rockets to go to the nearest moon.

This self glorification of humanity has been happening for millennials due to the judeo christians, and then the secular rationalists who still delude themselves humans are peak evolutionist machines. LOL

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 17:04:38 No.12894369 Report

Quoted By: >>12894379 >>12895077 >>12906777 >>12911707

>>12885846
It's a distant plane, stop posting this shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 17:07:20 No.12894379 Report

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>>12894369
It can't be a plane, if it was then why do I keep posting it? Checkmate Athiest

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 19:55:03 No.12895077 Report

Quoted By: >>12895551

>>12894369
Distant? there's not much to see but what you can see ist the jet circleing around that thing

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 21:58:17 No.12895551 Report

Quoted By: >>12895880

>>12895077
Circling? No, not really. The jet is turning but it stays at pretty much the same view of the back of the plane from far away.

https://youtu.be/1sHmuP_LIxI

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 22:19:16 No.12895628 Report

Quoted By: >>12895717 >>12895785

>Radar spots it moving around very fastly
>David Fravor goes for a look and sees white tic tac spazzing around just above the sea and making waves
>Sees it shoot off
>Radar confirms it is tens of kilometres away almost instantly
>David comes back, another flight team goes up and records the cunt from a distance
>Multiple other recordings of similar objects, also backed by radar detections
what are they lads, I just want to know

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 22:22:32 No.12895645 Report

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>>12885846
They’re drones using the frame-dragging effect to decrease or increase their weight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 22:25:34 No.12895654 Report

Quoted By: >>12895822

>>12891116
It has never been debunked though.
You post that without a source glowie.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 22:45:43 No.12895717 Report

Quoted By: >>12895726

>>12895628
Harvesting negentropy from a pocket dimension? Might explain the seemingly erratic movements.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 22:47:33 No.12895726 Report

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>>12895717
What the fuck? No.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame-dragging

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:04:04 No.12895785 Report

Quoted By: >>12895815 >>12901041 >>12911709

>>12895628
>>Radar spots it moving around very fastly
Spots what?

>>David Fravor goes for a look and sees white tic tac spazzing around just above the sea and making waves
His copilot says it moved in a straight line.

>>Radar confirms it is tens of kilometres away almost instantly
Nope.

>>David comes back, another flight team goes up and records the cunt from a distance
They recorded a distant plane.

>>Multiple other recordings of similar objects, also backed by radar detections
Nope, the radar doesn't match the other sightings.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:07:19 No.12895806 Report

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>>12885846
This post makes the sci-let seethe

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:08:35 No.12895815 Report

Quoted By: >>12895880

>>12895785
>Spots what?
the thing, duh

>His copilot says it moved in a straight line.
moving in straight lines, back and forth, there is no contradiction

>Nope.
yes, Fravor, in his own words, received a message saying the thing was at his original cap point tens of kilometres away which they then went to investigate but couldn't find it

>They recorded a distant plane.
citation needed

>Nope, the radar doesn't match the other sightings.
not the other two videos, but other sightings on record (albeit with murkier details) have radar to back them up, such as objects which spend days following aircraft carrier fleets

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:09:20 No.12895822 Report

Quoted By: >>12895845 >>12895896 >>12895921

>>12895654
It has.

https://youtu.be/Q7jcBGLIpus

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:11:51 No.12895845 Report

Quoted By: >>12895884

>>12895822
The "debunk" doesn't line up with any the witness accounts at all

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:16:46 No.12895880 Report

Quoted By: >>12896615

>>12895815
>the thing, duh
Which thing?

>moving in straight lines, back and forth, there is no contradiction
Zig zagging is not a straight line. You're equivocating.

>Fravor, in his own words, received a message saying the thing was at his original cap point tens of kilometres away which they then went to investigate but couldn't find it
What thing? Please explain exactly how it was known that what was on radar was the same as what the pilots saw and what was recorded on video when they don't even correlate?

>citation needed
See >>12895551

>not the other two videos, but other sightings on record (albeit with murkier details) have radar to back them up, such as objects which spend days following aircraft carrier fleets
Like what?

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:17:48 No.12895884 Report

Quoted By: >>12895931 >>12899733

>>12895845
How does it conflict?

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:19:25 No.12895896 Report

Quoted By: >>12895964 >>12898345 >>12899435

>>12895822
That's literally just a brainlet who thinks he's smart. The videos are registered by the Navy as "unidentified" to this day. And the government created a UAP task force in order to study these unidentified craft.

If it was just a balloon they would not be spending your tax money to study balloons.

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2314065/establishment-of-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-task-force/

Wait until you find out about the future predictions then you'll really start to question reality.

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:29:05 No.12895921 Report

Quoted By: >>12895966

>>12895822
>using a youtube video as any sort of scientific proof

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:32:12 No.12895931 Report

Quoted By: >>12896501

>>12895884
In reference to the second video released (Nimitz, I don't care about the others):

>Between four and five days we tracked a bunch of unknown aircraft and at a point we did a f-18 interrogation
Meaning there were multiple objects that were seen on the radar
>All weeks we've been looking at these things through the big eyes flying around
Meaning they've been spotting these things through the binoculars
>These men asked us to sign over the custody of all the footage to no one meaning they basically destroyed all the footage

Source: https://youtu.be/4YhlvUg2yk4

>Many pilots were taking turns viewing these objects coming back shocked
Meaning multiple people flew and viewed the objects

Source: https://youtu.be/_2zRabdvKnw

There are other interviews with other pilots and commanders that further go into this. I'd reccomend you watching those to be further informed.

Now the debunk says the footage simply was of something staying still, now how could that be when pretty much everyone who viewed this objects (from both jets and binoculars ) claimed they were moving?
Further why would they be asked to destroy the footage if it just was a object staying still or an commercial airplane, and don't you think the military radar system can track commercial airplanes?

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:42:15 No.12895964 Report

Quoted By: >>12895980 >>12896080

>>12895896
>That's literally just a brainlet who thinks he's smart.
Not an argument.

>The videos are registered by the Navy as "unidentified" to this day.
And?

>And the government created a UAP task force in order to study these unidentified craft.
And?

>If it was just a balloon they would not be spending your tax money to study balloons.
How would they know it's a balloon before studying it? You're not making any sense.

>Wait until you find out about the future predictions then you'll really start to question reality.
???

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Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:43:21 No.12895966 Report

Quoted By: >>12896021 >>12899744 >>12911714

>>12895921
>attacking the medium because you have no argument against the analysis

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 28 Mar 2021 23:49:34 No.12895980 Report

Quoted By: >>12896515

>>12895964
Why would the government classify videos of a balloon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 00:05:32 No.12896021 Report

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>>12895966
I am not fucking repeating what others already said about it in detail

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 00:13:58 No.12896053 Report

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$\lnot (\exists x : p(x) ) \iff (\forall x : \lnot p(x) )$

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 00:19:41 No.12896065 Report

Quoted By: >>12896081 >>12896517

Once the government confirms UFOs exist, you know they don't, beyond any inkling of a blossoming red smidgen cunt hair of doubt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 00:24:53 No.12896080 Report

Quoted By: >>12896520

>>12895964
>Balloons go Mach 5

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 00:26:07 No.12896081 Report

Quoted By: >>12896513

>>12896065
UFOs exist as the government has confirmed multiple times

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 03:22:59 No.12896501 Report

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>>12895931
>Meaning there were multiple objects that were seen on the radar
>Meaning they've been spotting these things through the binoculars
How does this conflict with the video being of a distant plane?

>>These men asked us to sign over the custody of all the footage to no one meaning they basically destroyed all the footage
Didn't Fravor say this never happened?

>and don't you think the military radar system can track commercial airplanes?
Not of its outside of the radar's range.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 03:28:14 No.12896513 Report

Quoted By: >>12913625

>>12896081
Meaningless statement UFOs could be planes or birds or superman until they become Identified flying objects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 03:28:49 No.12896515 Report

Quoted By:

>>12895980
>Why would the government classify videos of a balloon?
Because they didn't know it was a balloon until they studied it, and the people studying it were a classified program? Because the military pretty much classifies anything until they determine that it should not be classified? Why was it de-classified in 2017?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 03:30:01 No.12896517 Report

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>>12896065
>Once the government confirms UFOs exist
What does this even mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 03:30:41 No.12896519 Report

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>>12885846
Well, we know a priori that it cannot be aliens.
Therefore, it has been debunked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 03:31:02 No.12896520 Report

Quoted By: >>12898086

>>12896080
>>Balloons go Mach 5
Who are you quoting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 03:35:48 No.12896532 Report

Quoted By: >>12896895

>>12885992
>I just wonder what the end game is.
The endgame is revealing the ayys are real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 04:13:09 No.12896615 Report

Quoted By: >>12896640

>>12895880
Not him but stop doing that annoying shitty thing youre doing. You know what.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 04:19:39 No.12896630 Report

Quoted By: >>12896646

It's a Von Neuman probe. There are no concerns about G-forces because there are no alien occupants. It's a robot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 04:24:21 No.12896640 Report

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>>12896615
Use your words like a big boy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 04:25:59 No.12896646 Report

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>>12896630
What G-forces?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 04:43:12 No.12896697 Report

Quoted By: >>12896710 >>12896739 >>12897666 >>12900298

>>12885846
Skunkworks crap that's capable of making us a multi-planet species and possibly already has in a pure military expansion capacity. Giant money black hole that get's funded by all the glowie campfire stories that get told around here and a lot of the nasty things we do to others. Can't use it until it's absolutely needed so basically just a giant dick waving paperweight to counter Chinese expansion and Russian Hypersonic low flying nukes.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 04:48:06 No.12896710 Report

Quoted By: >>12896745

>>12896697
OK schizo

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 04:58:46 No.12896739 Report

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>>12896697
Old engineers talk about what they worked on. Especially to kids no one will believe. I can tell you skunkworks had something on the moon when they landed Apollo 15 and took the rover out for a spin. Aurora wasn't very long after the SR-71. Nuclear engines got tested in the desert and all evidence removed by grunts. I got to work the civilian side of military construction for awhile through family and put R&D in plain sight and in hardened places. You have no idea how much money is being blown and how little fucks they give. I put X-08 locks in places before they got replaced. But hey just a schizo :^)

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 04:59:49 No.12896745 Report

Quoted By: >>12897666 >>12900298

>>12896710
Old engineers talk about what they worked on. Especially to kids no one will believe. I can tell you skunkworks had something on the moon when they landed Apollo 15 and took the rover out for a spin. Aurora wasn't very long after the SR-71. Nuclear engines got tested in the desert and all evidence removed by grunts. I got to work the civilian side of military construction for awhile through family and put R&D in plain sight and in hardened places. You have no idea how much money is being blown and how little fucks they give. I put X-08 locks in places before they got replaced. But hey just a schizo :^)

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 05:59:54 No.12896895 Report

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>>12896532
The end game is an invasion where you never see the aliens, but the destruction of cities, and videos. And it is really just the gayys in government.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 12:04:31 No.12897666 Report

Quoted By: >>12909430

>>12896745
Is that supposed to impress me? No one cares. If anything you just confirmed you have no clue what you're talking about when you post this schizo shit >>12896697

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 14:42:53 No.12898075 Report

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>>12889951
Didn't a military expert on FLIR systems say that you don't get those rotating lens glares from FLIR
source: lemmino on youtube

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 14:47:44 No.12898086 Report

Quoted By: >>12898242

>>12896520
What you implied, dingus

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 14:49:59 No.12898093 Report

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I'd recommend you guys watch this video, it is pretty good explanation of what happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpeSpA3e56A

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 15:27:23 No.12898197 Report

Quoted By: >>12898226

Maybe it's white holes only existing for a short time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 15:34:17 No.12898226 Report

Quoted By: >>12898237

>>12898197
White whores wouldn't do this.

https://youtu.be/JN1AkB8I9Fg

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 15:36:39 No.12898237 Report

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>>12898226
Dubious, ur mum got a mighty succ

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 15:37:26 No.12898242 Report

Quoted By: >>12898294

>>12898086
How?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 15:47:23 No.12898294 Report

Quoted By: >>12898323

>>12898242
Because you implied it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 15:52:27 No.12898323 Report

Quoted By:

>>12898294
How?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 15:57:29 No.12898345 Report

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>>12895896
>If it was just a balloon they would not be spending your tax money to study balloons.
Anon, I...

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 16:46:10 No.12898553 Report

Quoted By: >>12898698 >>12901057

>>12885846
I mean even if they somehow Ayy lmaos ships, why would they just flying around Earth and does he not engage in a conversation with mankind?it doesn't make much sense to travel light years just to look at the humanity from your ship and then disappear without any traces.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 16:47:35 No.12898559 Report

Quoted By: >>12898602 >>12898665 >>12898752

>>12885992
Nobody is paying attention to the new voting law that makes fraud child's play and the ideological purge of the military.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:01:07 No.12898602 Report

Quoted By: >>12898657

>>12898559
OK, schizo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:18:40 No.12898657 Report

Quoted By: >>12898668

>>12898602
says the retard babbling about aliens

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:20:19 No.12898665 Report

Quoted By: >>12901062

>>12898559
Whats the law called

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:21:01 No.12898668 Report

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>>12898657
You're hallucinating, schizo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:22:24 No.12898678 Report

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It shouldn't. Look up Mick West on Youtube and you'll see there's nothing remotely mysterious about this (these) video(s).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:28:06 No.12898698 Report

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>>12898553
Their austims levels must be so high that it's hard to imagine what they're doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:32:36 No.12898713 Report

Quoted By:

>>12885846
You cucks are so dumb
>be US military
>release footage of...something
>stir public interest, goes viral internationally.
>sit back and wait to see who comes snooping around trying to hack into military computers
>back trace and monitor them, break into their systems.
Its more than just a test of their cyber security systems, you dumbfucks, its also a form of counter espionage.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:42:40 No.12898752 Report

Quoted By: >>12898906

>>12898559
>the ideological purge of the military.
t. right wing MIGApede

Hate to break it to you anon, but the military has always been filled, with low IQ losers who have no critical thinking skills, no morals, and a blind sense of obediance for authority. There literally hasn't even been any ideological purge. We have the same exact people in the military today as we did 40 years ago - a bunch of whites and mexicans who blindly follow orders, and who think that the government and corporations are good by definition. No "purge" was require, because the type of people who join the military have no values. They're just like the type of people who join Antifa or Proudboys or Qanon (yes, I realize QAnon is not an official group, but it's a close knit fandom).

People who don't have values - e.g. 99% of people in the military - don't need to be "purged" because they just do as they're told. The losers in the police and military will change their tune at the drop of a dime. As soon as their leaders sent our the message that (1) whites=bad, (2) conservatives=racist, and (3) kneel before Globohomo-Mulatto Empire, most of the people in the military and the police were more than happy to oblige. That shouldn't really come as a surprise. The police and military are not "natural conservatives". Nothing about them is 'naturally' conservative. It would be more accurate to say that these people are "natural good goys". In that respect, they have much in common with the good goys on left; e.g. antifa, BLM, corporate democrats, etc.

I honestly have no respect for the police or military, and I never did. Conservatives and republicans are fucking retards too. Just like the democrats. The democrats are pawns for big government, globohomo, the banking industry, capitalism, etc.

The entire left/right, republican/democrat dialectic is a scheme to control the masses uses sophisticated techniques from the social sciences. The Good Goy Spectacle might be a good name for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 17:44:19 No.12898758 Report

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Already debunked, it was aliens all along

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 18:17:43 No.12898906 Report

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>>12898752
The lowering of the military's IQ and its mongrelisation is extremely well documented, faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 20:23:30 No.12899389 Report

Quoted By: >>12899408

>>12887948
small correction, it wasn't leaked by 'hackers'. a navy officer who was stationed in the uss nimitz back in 2004 and whose job was sysadmin of the ship's internal network made a copy of the files after looking for it once the rumors spread of what had happened with fravor's squad, he then told the story in 2007 iirc on abovetopsecret (you can still find the original thread in there) and people asked for the video so he leaked it in there

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 20:28:19 No.12899408 Report

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>>12899389
here's the original thread on ATS, this is where it all began and eventually culminated 10 years later in the 2017 NYT article
>http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread265697/pg1

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 20:34:33 No.12899428 Report

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>>12885992
I understand this feeling, but I also think there's a tendency to afford way too much competency to the government. sometimes people act like it's a god, when by and large the public sector is an ineffective mess that's horrible at keeping big secrets. The notion that this video is 5D chess is a hard one for me to buy. Especially since they didn't make a big deal about it, and seemed sort of sheepish about admitting that they truly don't know what the fuck it was

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 20:37:59 No.12899435 Report

Quoted By: >>12899684

>>12895896
Lmao this is so true, it's hilarious how Mick West fits the Dunning-Kruger Effect.The US Senate Intelligence Committee should have just called in Mick West for a Congressional Hearing instead of asking the US Department of Defense to establish a task force to clarify the incident.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 20:39:57 No.12899436 Report

Quoted By: >>12899534 >>12900171 >>12906719

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfhAC2YiYHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3viYcYPRdu4

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 20:52:35 No.12899474 Report

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>>12885846
It explains why, despite most nations having universal science based free education, it is still possible to make money by exploiting brain dead moronic fuckwits

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 21:11:47 No.12899534 Report

Quoted By: >>12899633

>>12899436
Blunderfoot lost all credibility when he tried to debunk spacex. Space in general is too complex of a topic for him.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 21:38:51 No.12899633 Report

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>>12899534
he tried applying common sense to a topic fraught with non-trivial aspects and failed miserably
seems pretty clear he's just jealous of Elon Musk and his power

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 21:52:44 No.12899684 Report

Quoted By: >>12904922

>>12899435
>Mick West is wrong because the Senate Intelligence Committee asked for a report
It's clear you have no argument when you have to make these extreme mental gymnastics.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 22:03:37 No.12899733 Report

Quoted By: >>12899808 >>12899903

>>12895884
4 pilots (assuming 2 in each jet) saw the object with their own eyes bud, not sure what more you want. These pilots know their shit

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 22:04:39 No.12899744 Report

Quoted By: >>12899815 >>12899826

>>12895966
>some youtubers analysis is better than decade trained pilots that know more than anyone else about what they're looking at
Okay retard

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 22:17:14 No.12899808 Report

Quoted By:

>>12899733
The object in the video? So 4 pilots saw a distant plane. What is your point?

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 22:18:23 No.12899815 Report

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>>12899744
>>some youtubers analysis is better than decade trained pilots
What analysis have pilots actually done on the video? Please post it so we can compare them.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 22:20:00 No.12899826 Report

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>>12899744
>>some youtubers analysis is better than decade trained pilots

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Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 22:38:11 No.12899903 Report

Quoted By:

>>12899733
>4 pilots (assuming 2 in each jet) saw the object with their own eyes bud
Nope, the object in the video (distant plane) was too far away to see by eye. Try again. How does it conflict?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Mar 2021 22:47:52 No.12899951 Report

Quoted By:

>>12885846
already deboonked, it's a multiple kill vehicle

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 00:05:21 No.12900171 Report

Quoted By: >>12900212

>>12899436
The "it's a bird" might be the most retarded thing ever and he means it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 00:16:33 No.12900212 Report

Quoted By: >>12905424

>>12900171
>The "it's a bird" might be the most retarded thing ever
Why?

Why are UFOtards unable to make any valid arguments?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 00:33:15 No.12900291 Report

Quoted By: >>12900514

>>12885846
Nikola Tesla mentioned UFO like aircraft in his autobiography. So I guess this stuff is technology with potential for mass destruction, which is why it’s kept secret.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 00:36:26 No.12900298 Report

Quoted By:

>>12896697
>>12896745
This guy seems legit

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 01:25:19 No.12900480 Report

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>"look at that thing dude"
nasa tier

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 01:35:58 No.12900514 Report

Quoted By: >>12900533

>>12900291
This is probably the most likely. It's not aliens. Fact of the matter stands that as far as we know, there's no possible way to accelerate an object with mass past the speed of light, which would be required for interstellar travel. Those aircraft aren't coming close to anything that impressive. What they're doing is mind boggling, but it's still theoretically possible. Given the Nazi's were working on the concept in the 40's, I wouldn't put it past our government to have figured out how to manipulate gravity. To circle back around, I find it absolutely impossible they've cracked FTL.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 01:43:27 No.12900533 Report

Quoted By: >>12900537

>>12900514
If it was possible to crack back in the 40's it would have been now with computer simulations and modern tech.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 01:45:18 No.12900537 Report

Quoted By: >>12900823

>>12900533
Yeah, that's my point. It's not aliens. It's probably some really incredible technology; but it's not interstellar technology.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 03:22:35 No.12900823 Report

Quoted By: >>12900833 >>12900859 >>12901913 >>12909440

>>12900537
The Pentagon and the United States Airforce literally admitted these craft are unidentified, if the US was in possession of them they wouldn't have made that claim or spend millions of tax dollars trying to investigate this, and the Russians also had a UFO investigation ongoing, so it probably isn't them either. Also, why in the fuck would you test your new anti-gravity aircraft hundreds of miles off the Pacific and Atlantic coasts? If the US is trying to keep this technology a secret they'd only be testing it at places like Area 51 in complete isolation and high security.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 03:26:15 No.12900833 Report

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>>12900823
If the choices are this or faster than light travel, I still know which one is more probable.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 03:31:02 No.12900852 Report

Quoted By: >>12900859 >>12900997 >>12901557

if anyone who isn't a schizo is interested, there's a great lecture by Hal Puthoff where he goes into scientific detail about what these craft might be and what physics they could be working under:

https://youtu.be/TlaArEyg8bE

https://youtu.be/oEjxczLgSO4?t=2756

>[...] It's not just speculation now, we actually have models, we understand at the quantum level how [UAPs] work, and we may reap the benefits of this technology in as little as 25 years.

And this is the former head of AATIP who originally leaked the videos back in 2017

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 03:33:06 No.12900859 Report

Quoted By: >>12900861 >>12900927

>>12900852
No, that's impossible. See
>>12900823
The government said they don't know.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 03:33:41 No.12900861 Report

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>>12900859
>The government said they don't know.
The government has never told a lie before.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 03:57:28 No.12900927 Report

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>>12900859
the government said that the 3 leaked videos were authentic and unidentified, they didn't say anything about the study of the propulsion systems. And even if we understand the physics of UAPs that doesn't mean we're able to recreate them. This is partially why the 2020 covid release bill is demanding a free flow of information between the CIA, FBI, and other government branches, even if one agency is studying what these things are and how they work, they're still not sharing that information with the rest of the US government, and if the Pentagon isn't being informed then of course they'd call the videos unidentified

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 04:14:46 No.12900985 Report

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>>12885846
that's the new world order
https://rumble.com/vf4soh-the-malarkey-leprechaun-from-planet-zildjian-is-here-to-ruin-easter-again.html

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 04:23:47 No.12900997 Report

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>>12900852
>Hal Puthoff

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 04:41:41 No.12901041 Report

Quoted By: >>12901047

>>12895785
>They recorded a distant plane.

That had no exhaust heat....

It's incredible how hard you people shill against this.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 04:44:11 No.12901047 Report

Quoted By: >>12901066

>>12901041
>That had no exhaust heat....
The exhaust heat is the only thing you see in the video, you fucking moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 04:50:52 No.12901057 Report

Quoted By: >>12901081

>>12898553
>not engage in a conversation with mankind?

How often do you talk to ant colonies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 04:53:26 No.12901062 Report

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>>12898665
H.R.1 "For The """""People""""" Act"
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 04:56:29 No.12901066 Report

Quoted By: >>12901803

>>12901047
Nope. They have videos (from Nimitz, Fravor's group) which cover both visible and IR and lack an exhaust plume, you fucking shill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 05:09:09 No.12901081 Report

Quoted By: >>12901092 >>12907748

>>12901057
I mean, we can't really communicate properly with ants as far as I know, and I think the ayys would have that capability with us. It makes me think they are either non intrusive or already control us in some way, not needing to announce themselves or communicate with us publicly. The fact that they let the jets spot them makes me think the latter is more likely, since their non intrusive policy was broken in those events, unless they are lax to some degree, which I doubt they would be. One interesting thing is that after the tic tacs incident, some men in suits visited the carrier the pilots were at in a helicopter, and it was described as very odd by some of the people there. I'm not saying it's ayys, but personally I'm sure some weird shit was going on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 05:13:58 No.12901092 Report

Quoted By: >>12901112

>>12901081
>It makes me think they are either non intrusive or already control us in some way, not needing to announce themselves or communicate with us publicly.

Like they would only talk to our leaders. No point in talking to anyone but the queen.

>The fact that they let the jets spot them makes me think the latter is more likely, since their non intrusive policy was broken in those events, unless they are lax to some degree, which I doubt they would be

David Fravor describes how he would spook campers with his jet to create a 'ufo'. I suspect someone was repaying him for those experiences. Karma.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 05:21:05 No.12901112 Report

Quoted By: >>12901120

>>12901092
>he would spook campers with his jet to create a 'ufo'
You mean "create an 'UFO' with his jet to spook campers"?

>I suspect someone was repaying him for those experiences
That's pretty much impossible, unless it was ayys or some pilots in top secret aircraft. I'm not sure if you were being playfully ironic, but there's no way you truly suspect it's something like that. Multiple trained jet pilots in the military were fooled by some weirdos with access to jets trying to get back at some rando that liked to spook campers?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 05:24:38 No.12901120 Report

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>>12901112
>You mean "create an 'UFO' with his jet to spook campers"?

Yes, for fun.

>That's pretty much impossible, unless it was ayys or some pilots in top secret aircraft.

Those are the only two possible explanations I have for the observed phenomenon. Either it's super top-secret black ops tech, or it's ayy's. Either one may have known his record enough to pay him back.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 05:43:22 No.12901157 Report

Quoted By: >>12901169 >>12901560 >>12901817 >>12906942 >>12907727

Pretty crazy how the evidence that ufos exist is overwhelming, but the evidence of what they are is close to non-existent. I'm not convinced the answer is as simple as "aliens" or "government tech".

Take the Zimbabwe case where a bunch of school children saw 1m tall humanoids emerging from a flying saucer. Why would aliens be humanoid? If they're not human and not alien what are they? And what's with the environmental images the children saw? This shit freaks me out, it's a crazy mystery with no answer. All we can do is go on with our daily lives since it's a rabbit hole with no bottom.

https://mg.co.za/article/2014-09-04-remembering-zimbabwes-great-alien-invasion/

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 05:47:28 No.12901169 Report

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>>12901157
That's almost certain a psy-op, some crazy environmentalist stunt.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 09:03:34 No.12901557 Report

Quoted By:

>>12900852
I'm going to puthoff watching that.
For hall eternity.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 09:05:20 No.12901560 Report

Quoted By: >>12904951

>>12901157
Subhuman testimony is unreliable due to low IQ.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 11:33:48 No.12901803 Report

Quoted By: >>12904213

>>12901066
>They have videos (from Nimitz, Fravor's group) which cover both visible and IR and lack an exhaust plume
What exhaust plume would you be able to see? Show me a FLIR video of a plane from 50 miles away with an exhaust plume. You're an utter moron.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 11:37:18 No.12901817 Report

Quoted By:

>>12901157
>Pretty crazy how the evidence that ufos exist is overwhelming
What does "UFOs exist" mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 12:12:32 No.12901913 Report

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>>12900823
> believing public statements about secret technology
even the military has its own intel and psyop department.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 12:17:45 No.12901936 Report

Quoted By: >>12904167

Were they flying in circles or why is the video showing them going left the entire time?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 17:18:56 No.12904167 Report

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>>12901936
Because MUH ELITE PILOTS are retards.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 17:26:44 No.12904213 Report

Quoted By: >>12904994

>>12901803
>What exhaust plume would you be able to see?

The one moving the plane, which is at least as large as the plane and which the professional pilots commented on how strange it is to not see.

You're projecting your mental retardation.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 17:31:45 No.12904233 Report

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>>12885846

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 20:17:10 No.12904922 Report

Quoted By: >>12905051 >>12907992

>>12899684
you'd have to be delusional to think the military and the entire intelligence community overlooked a bird flying over the ocean or a jet engine spotted from afar, it's literally absurd to even contemplate something like this, besides there are testimonials from flir cameras technicians explicitly stating it couldn't have been either, like these guys for example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmdSsszf5g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trJnjCxClcM

https://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com/news4/gimbal-ufo

but it doesn't matter, if you've already made up your mind on the subject then nothing will change it, an alien could come over to your house tonight and still you'd work a way of explaining how you were hallucinating or that it was project blue beam or some other conspiracy bullshit, you should always listen to both sides anon

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 20:24:27 No.12904951 Report

Quoted By: >>12905764

>>12901560
Most of the children were actually WASP babies from missionary families

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 20:32:16 No.12904994 Report

Quoted By: >>12905240 >>12908808

>>12904213
>The one moving the plane
I just saw a plane with no exhaust plume visible. Must be some kind of advanced alien technology.

>which the professional pilots commented on how strange it is to not see.
Where?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 20:47:40 No.12905051 Report

Quoted By:

>>12904922
>you'd have to be delusional to think the military and the entire intelligence community overlooked a bird flying over the ocean or a jet engine spotted from afar
Where did I say they did? Moron, why don't you post the military analysis of the video? Oh, you can't because you have no clue what you're talking about. You don't know what the military has and hasn't concluded. Fucking moron.

And by the way, here is the entire Chilean navy being confused by a plane: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/explained-chilean-navy-ufo-video-aerodynamic-contrails-flight-ib6830.8306/

>besides there are testimonials from flir cameras technicians explicitly stating it couldn't have been either, like these guys
That's about a different video, and it's attacking strawmen anyway. The GIMBAL video is showing infrared glare, not jet flare or visible light glare. And here's a video showing what your third article says can't happen: https://youtu.be/4X1PRDbtiF0

>but it doesn't matter, if you've already made up your mind on the subject then nothing will change it
The only one who refuses to give a counterargument is you.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 21:37:27 No.12905240 Report

Quoted By: >>12905281 >>12905285 >>12905311 >>12905316

>>12904994
>I just saw a plane with no exhaust plume visible.

You just casually watch planes with IR cameras?

>Where?

Joe Rogan interview of David Fravor.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 21:48:45 No.12905281 Report

Quoted By: >>12905333

>>12905240
>You just casually watch planes with IR cameras?
You know there's thousands of videos of planes on IR right?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 21:49:47 No.12905285 Report

Quoted By: >>12905333

>>12905240
>Joe Rogan interview of David Fravor.
Where in the interview?

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 21:56:45 No.12905311 Report

Quoted By: >>12905333 >>12914026

>>12905240
Oh my God, an alien craft!

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 21:58:30 No.12905316 Report

Quoted By: >>12905333 >>12905698 >>12913571

>>12905240
It's an invasion!

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 22:05:03 No.12905333 Report

Quoted By: >>12905698

>>12905281

Find me a plane going at fighter jet speeds with no exhaust plume in IR. Besides, the post didn't say video.

>>12905285

I watched it like a week ago. See if you can find the part he's narrating the video.

>>12905311
>>12905316
>Look at this noise! This means there is no signal

This is like claiming posting a soijack proves you are a retard. Those pictures aren't relevant to what we are discussing.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 22:27:30 No.12905424 Report

Quoted By: >>12905703

>>12900212
Because it's asinine, as though military officials haven't already analyzed the footage and used conceivable explanations such as that already. Thunderf00t comes to a conclusion --it is fakery-- and then uses evidence however weak to attempt to frame it as though that is the easiest explanation. This despite multiple eyewitness and numerous instrumentational readings that fly in the face of said explanation. I don't even think it's aliens, but I do think that dismissing out of hand this and other recent footage as though it is the same as some jackoff from the 60's trying to pull one over on the public is asinine in the extreme. He's trying to get the same crowd he did when he clowned on creationists in fucking 2006, it's just not the same situation anymore.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 22:36:32 No.12905449 Report

Quoted By: >>12905537

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85OhTbTtK_I
The nimitz incident will make you question what's really going on.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 22:40:58 No.12905459 Report

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iox57lTnJDc

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Anonymous Tue 30 Mar 2021 23:02:47 No.12905537 Report

Quoted By: >>12906112

>>12905449
it did and then i realized yes navy pilots or fucking anyone in the world regardless of their status are fallible and interpret shit they see wrong. especially if your hobby is flying around trying to make people believe they see ufos (fravor)

yes there is a certain chance aliens are here but if so it's at the level of conspiracies where they have to actively hide any real evidence that they are here. you might as well say we're in the matrix or any kind of unfalsifiable claim.

what do you do if a super advanced alien federation a million times ahead of us wants to keep their existence a secret to us? there's nothing you can do.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 00:03:14 No.12905698 Report

Quoted By: >>12906103

>>12905333
>Find me a plane going at fighter jet speeds with no exhaust plume in IR.
First show the plane was going at "fighter jet speeds." Then look at >>12905316
until you figure out it's a fighter jet.

And here's another example with fighter jets: https://www.metabunk.org/data/video/40/40152-03932161a5a0d0a9ea60c03088a3ba22.mp4

>See if you can find the part he's narrating the video.
Not my job, the burden of proof is on you.

>>Look at this noise! This means there is no signal
Who are you quoting?

>Those pictures aren't relevant to what we are discussing.
They are highly relevant to your claim that you would be able to see the exhaust plume of a plane 50 miles away. This is laughable on its face since the exhaust plume is not even always visible under normal viewing conditions. Add distance, glare, and the plane traveling away from the viewer and there is zero reason you would be able to see it. Nice LARP, moron.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 00:04:48 No.12905703 Report

Quoted By: >>12905730

>>12905424
>Because it's asinine, as though military officials haven't already analyzed the footage and used conceivable explanations such as that already.
They probably have. Your argument doesn't work on any level.

>Thunderf00t
Who? Is that your imaginary friend? No one cares.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 00:09:43 No.12905729 Report

Quoted By: >>12905762

>>12885992
I'm about 90% sure this is US Navy technology. It's a drone, probably launched from a submarine. It's being released in this format to scare China while giving some deniability. The next confrontation with China will most likely be a naval one, in the South China sea. The American government is trying to intimidate China.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 00:09:48 No.12905730 Report

Quoted By: >>12906565

>>12905703
>They probably have. Your argument doesn't work on any level.
They probably have, and still released the footage saying it's an unexplained aerial phenomenon. So positing it as simply a bird, despite the fact that public officials have stated they don't know what it is, is fucking stupid. Nevermind that this was confirmed by multiple devices and reliable eyewitnesses over a period of time stretches credulity beyond acceptance. You sound like Scully from the X-Files trying to rationalize clearly bizarre phenomena with some swamp gas bullshit.

>Who? Is that your imaginary friend? No one cares.
This discussion all started with Thunderf00t's 2 debunking videos. Try to keep up imbecile.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 00:16:17 No.12905762 Report

Quoted By:

>>12905729
I’m sure they’re quaking in their boots

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 00:16:39 No.12905764 Report

Quoted By:

>>12904951
Yes, that's what i said.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:54:16 No.12906103 Report

Quoted By: >>12906576

>>12905698
>Not my job, the burden of proof is on you.

If you don't want to watch the interview of the person who saw it firsthand, then you don't want evidence. You just want to believe what you want to believe.

> Nice LARP, moron.

I will trust the trained fighter pilots on whether they expect to see an exhaust plume over some arrogant faggot that is dumber than a potted plant.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 01:58:16 No.12906112 Report

Quoted By: >>12907709

>>12905537
>where they have to actively hide any real evidence that they are here

I don't think this is true. Take the level of discussion on this topic, for example. 'Skeptics' will post the most absurd lies trying to rationalize it away. When you combine that with the countless UFO sightings and experiences people report around the world, maybe they don't even try that hard to hide themselves, people just refuse to believe. The fact that hoaxers do exist doesn't help it.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:16:25 No.12906565 Report

Quoted By: >>12906719

>>12905730
>They probably have, and still released the footage saying it's an unexplained aerial phenomenon.
They didn't say it's unexplained, they said it's unidentified.

>So positing it as simply a bird, despite the fact that public officials have stated they don't know what it is, is fucking stupid.
By what logic? Are you ever going to show how Mick West's analysis is wrong? No, so shut the fuck up.

>Nevermind that this was confirmed by multiple devices and reliable eyewitnesses over a period of time stretches credulity beyond acceptance.
What was confirmed?

>This discussion all started with Thunderf00t's 2 debunking videos.
No it didn't. No one cares about your retarded imaginary friend.

You've proven through several posts that you have no argument. Keep quiet in the time out corner until you do.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:20:28 No.12906576 Report

Quoted By: >>12906590 >>12908808

>>12906103
>If you don't want to watch the interview of the person who saw it firsthand
I did watch it, I'm not going to watch it again just because you claim something was in it. If you're not able to find it then don't cite it, retard.

>You just want to believe what you want to believe.
Ah so that must mean you don't want me to believe what you believe since you aren't willing to watch the video. Fucking moron.

>I will trust the trained fighter pilots on whether they expect to see an exhaust plume
Awesome, just turn off your brain and trust something no one actually said, instead of making a rational argument against numerous pictures and video that proves you're wrong. Thanks for forfeiting.

UFOtards are truly pathetic.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:25:57 No.12906590 Report

Quoted By: >>12906595 >>12907660

>>12906576
>f you're not able to find it then don't cite it

I'm not going to spend time to hunt it down. If you actually watched the interview you would remember it, unless you are as stupid as you seem.

> trust something

A military expert said.

You shills are pathetic. Just spouting verbal diarrhea everywhere and trying to spread confusion.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:27:40 No.12906595 Report

Quoted By: >>12906622 >>12906759

>>12906590
>A military expert said.
A military expert said that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:31:09 No.12906610 Report

Quoted By: >>12906767

>>12885846

I don't know exactly but at the moment at least I believe it's not just some random plane or drone.

This podcast is a really good watch for an actual trained pilot's experience with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:34:57 No.12906622 Report

Quoted By: >>12906658

>>12906595
So now you believe in conspiracy theories.

Too bad the military expert you are talking about was clearly apart of a regime with an agenda for war, whereas my military expert was just some fighter pilot.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:43:24 No.12906658 Report

Quoted By: >>12906676 >>12906685

>>12906622
Remember that one time a US fighter pilot killed four Canadians and wounded 8 more at the during Afghanistan because he couldn't wait to get confirmation that they were friendlies?

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:50:14 No.12906676 Report

Quoted By:

>>12906658
No, but I would definitely take his word on operating a plane to kill people.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:53:39 No.12906683 Report

Quoted By:

>>12885846
footage from 47 seconds in looks like sea skimming cruise missile.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 04:54:41 No.12906685 Report

Quoted By:

>>12906658
canadians are not our allies they are our servents.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 05:08:41 No.12906719 Report

Quoted By: >>12907669

>>12906565
Retard

>>12899436
this was the first post in this thread. That was from Thunderf00t. Shut the fuck up your opinion doesn't matter until you can follow a simple threadchain

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 05:19:22 No.12906759 Report

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>>12906595
If a military expert had seen a fucking WMD with their eyeballs it would have been a little bit different you disingenuous piece of shit. It wasn't just one military expert it was multiple experts. You fucking retards are the most insufferable, incredulous fools imaginable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 05:22:08 No.12906767 Report

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>>12906610
Fravor trashes Elon Musk tech multiple times in that interview, it's no wonder Elon is well mad at these UFO cases.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 05:23:46 No.12906772 Report

Quoted By: >>12906774 >>12906867 >>12914872

Reading this thread, I'm not fazed in the slightest by people who think this encounter was a nothingburger. Come June, you are going to see things that will change your world forever. I have a pretty good idea of which piece of evidence is going to come out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 05:25:12 No.12906774 Report

Quoted By: >>12906794 >>12908708

>>12906772
What would that be? Actual videos and not IR cameras?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 05:26:45 No.12906777 Report

Quoted By:

>>12894369
Low IQ post

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 05:32:55 No.12906794 Report

Quoted By: >>12906811 >>12906867

>>12906774
Correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 05:38:18 No.12906811 Report

Quoted By:

>>12906794
There are claims for a few years now that they have materials and they have been analyzing them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 06:00:07 No.12906867 Report

Quoted By:

>>12906772
>>12906794
>j-just two more weeks
It is fake and you have no evidence otherwise.
Aliens on Earth is equivalent to Jesus returning to Israel. No amount of government photoshop will ever change that.
>>>/x/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 06:27:32 No.12906928 Report

Quoted By:

>>12885846
it makes a lot of people watch
the sky and report anomalies for free

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 06:32:26 No.12906942 Report

Quoted By:

>>12901157
They're probably us from the future.

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 06:50:49 No.12906984 Report

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:07:17 No.12907660 Report

Quoted By: >>12908727 >>12908808

>>12906590
>I'm not going to spend time to hunt it down.
But you expect me to? Thanks for admitting it never happened.

>If you actually watched the interview you would remember it, unless you are as stupid as you seem.
Right, it couldn't possibly be that you misremembered it and can't find it.

>A military expert said.
Where?

You're just lying at this point. No one will trust you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:11:01 No.12907669 Report

Quoted By: >>12911333

>>12906719
>Retard
The pot calling the kettle black.

>this was the first post in this thread.
No, this >>12885846 was.

Yet again you fail to post an argument. You're just shitting yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:26:24 No.12907709 Report

Quoted By: >>12908735

>>12906112
how is that true? there is still NO evidence. aliens if they are here keep everything on the level of plausible deniability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:31:53 No.12907727 Report

Quoted By: >>12907735

>>12901157
>Why would aliens be humanoid?
because it works. why does about every animal have a face just like us. eyes on top, nose, mouth? have you never thought about it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:35:13 No.12907735 Report

Quoted By: >>12907759

>>12907727
So maybe they look like spiders, except with a nose?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:40:26 No.12907748 Report

Quoted By:

>>12901081
>some men in suits visited the carrier the pilots were at in a helicopter
this was a lie. never happened according to other people.

as for aliens showing themselves. just think of the ramifications of everyone realizing aliens are actually here is 100% proven.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:40:49 No.12907752 Report

Quoted By:

>>12885846
no its the US government showing china and russia that it has advanced tech that freaked out our own pilots when they saw it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:43:28 No.12907759 Report

Quoted By: >>12907767

>>12907735
humans are the most intelligent animals on earth. spiders are not intelligence based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:45:59 No.12907767 Report

Quoted By: >>12907791 >>12907795

>>12907759
So you are saying that when we think about what aliens might look like, we should think about what all animals on Earth look like, except those that are not human?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:55:15 No.12907791 Report

Quoted By:

>>12907767
Exactly. Humans are the only intelligent beings that we know of. And humans obviously look like humans. It follows logically that every intelligent being must look like a human. Retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 12:56:02 No.12907795 Report

Quoted By: >>12907834

>>12907767
for intelligent life, humanoids are likely. for all the other animals in the universe that will never contact us or build a spaceship they could look like spiders and other unintelligent life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 13:10:11 No.12907834 Report

Quoted By:

>>12907795
There is an interesting possibility. Humans achieved some control of various technologies by discovering and applying scientific thinking, all in relatively few centuries. But if aliens are a billion years ahead, they may have randomly discovered even more by means of evolution, as it would have given them survival in their environment. While none of it might have depended whatsoever on developing intelligence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 13:26:26 No.12907868 Report

Quoted By:

The ‘water disturbance’ underneath the tictac was probably just the shimmer of the sun on the waves

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 13:51:28 No.12907917 Report

Quoted By:

>>12885846
Absolute state of /sci/ it's not official science so it must be hoax....

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 14:20:55 No.12907992 Report

Quoted By:

>>12904922
>it's literally absurd to even contemplate something like this
the thing is it's not. when you try to learn the truth about ufos you find that it's largely humans you are learning about. everyone is fallible. regardless of status. some times wrongful beliefs seep through a whole system. it's amazing how bad things can go wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 15:00:42 No.12908093 Report

Quoted By:

>>12890024
People need to engage with this idea more. I've consumed almost all the information from primary sources that I can find on this topic, and I think that this is far and away the best possible explanation of the events witnessed which do not have anything to do with aliens.

Mind you, I'm not opposed to the idea of Earth at least being visited by von neumann probes or whatever. I think it may actually have already happened. But in the case of these navy UAP videos, there's nothing in any of the evidence so far that disproves a more prosaic (but still quite interesting and full of fairly crazy implications) explanation:

to wit, the Navy is involved in testing a laser weapon that can induce plasma-based radar returns and visual acquisitions on some of the best equipment out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 17:53:14 No.12908708 Report

Quoted By: >>12908729

>>12906774
>Actual videos and not IR cameras?

You already have that you fucking moron. Many of the videos are in both visible and IR.

I swear you skeptics have to lie about basic facts to maintain your precious worldview.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 17:56:06 No.12908727 Report

Quoted By: >>12908734

>>12907660
>You're just lying at this point.

Nice projection you got there, you piece of human garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 17:56:20 No.12908729 Report

Quoted By: >>12908745

>>12908708
>You already have that you fucking moron. Many of the videos are in both visible and IR.
And they're nothingburgers. Cry more, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 17:57:22 No.12908734 Report

Quoted By: >>12908745 >>12908808

>>12908727
>no argument or proof
Thanks for admitting you lied.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 17:57:37 No.12908735 Report

Quoted By: >>12908766 >>12908794

>>12907709
>there is still NO evidence

There are countless videos and eye witnesses. Some of them coming from the highest levels of credibility. But you illustrate my point exactly. They could fuck you in the eyeball and you would just repeat, "NO EVIDENCE".

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 17:59:58 No.12908745 Report

Quoted By: >>12908763

>>12908729
>>12908734

Nope, you're just projecting your blatant dishonesty because you are a flaming pile of feces.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:04:49 No.12908763 Report

Quoted By: >>12908808

>>12908745

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:05:50 No.12908766 Report

Quoted By:

>>12908735
>There are countless videos and eye witnesses
Of what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:12:36 No.12908794 Report

Quoted By: >>12908820

>>12908735
no, you're a retard who doesn't know how proof works. im quite aware that there are many people who claim to have seen this and that. many claim to have been abducted. this isn't proof of aliens. it's proof that humans are error prone. the large majority of these claims are after all proven to be either just outright lies or some kind of psychological error, false memories and so forth.
then you have the more interesting cases like the ariel school encounter, which has no proof except for what the people there say. and when you dig deeper in all these cases you start to find stuff going against the narrative. for example there were children on the playground not only far away but also close to the site who said they saw nothing. oh yeah lets just ignore those children and focus on those who saw something.
i want to believe too but you cant ignore the fact that there is NO FUCKING PROOF.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:14:17 No.12908808 Report

Quoted By: >>12908854

Lo, Behold gentleman. I shall now demonstrate the 'skeptics' are nothing but trolls trying to muddy the water and that they project there dishonesty onto those seeking the truth.

>>12904994
>>12906576
>>12907660
>>12908734
>>12908763

All of this when all it takes is looking up the transcript:

https://podscribe.app/feeds/http-joeroganexpjoeroganlibsynprocom-rss/episodes/d9e17c921e16426f9a7ed615813e6b65

Or the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eco2s3-0zsQ

The most concise part is at about 29:10 but is also mentioned multiple times starting from 26:00.

The 'skeptics' are irrational, dishonest, and psychotic. They only muddy the waters and add nothing of value to the discussion (or the world).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:17:29 No.12908820 Report

Quoted By: >>12908837

>>12908794
>you're a retard who doesn't know how proof works

Projection. Science does not work on proof. It works on evidence. You can see this by your repeated use of the word, "proof". You mean evidence in nearly all cases.

What do you call the US navy releasing these video footages. People ITT have called it fake and gay. This is evidence that no evidence will ever motivate them to even have an open mind about the subject. They dismiss evidence and then say, "THERE IS NO PROOF."

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:21:09 No.12908837 Report

Quoted By: >>12908853

>>12908820
seriously braindead. lol us navy releasing videos. this was years ago. you clearly know nothing. youre just hyped over some videos that fucking show some pixelated blobs that could be anything. no proof. nothing to be excited about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:23:55 No.12908853 Report

Quoted By: >>12908861

>>12908837
>seriously braindead.

Like I said, you are only capable of projection. You cannot even understand why nobody is calling this, 'proof,' something that only exists within mathematics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:24:02 No.12908854 Report

Quoted By: >>12908876

>>12908808
>All of this when all it takes is looking up the transcript:
So you're nothing but a troll trying to muddy the water since you didn't look up the transcript?

>The most concise part is at about 29:10 but is also mentioned multiple times starting from 26:00.
Here's what he says:

>but we also notice is there's no plumes knock if you're looking at an airplane when you get closer you'll actually see the exhaust coming out
He specifically says that you see exhaust plume *when you get closer* to an airplane. 50 miles away is not close.

But do continue ignoring the photographic and video evidence I already gave you because you misinterpreted a supposed expert. It really makes UFOtards look like stable geniuses.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:25:33 No.12908861 Report

Quoted By:

>>12908853
>u use word wrong heh tough luck kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:26:38 No.12908866 Report

Quoted By:

>>12885846
Not science or math. fuck off back to /x/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:28:44 No.12908876 Report

Quoted By: >>12908956

>>12908854
Look at him blatantly lie! Look at it. Presented with objective video and he feels the need to lie about it. I implore all lurkers to see how pathological this dishonesty is.

Here's what he says:

"Even with the IR zoomed in there's no plume. You would see a plume if that was an airplane."

Thank you for proving that you are an outright liar incapable of even digesting video when someone else spoonfeeds you. You are lazy, dishonest, and a waste of human life.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:31:14 No.12908888 Report

Quoted By: >>12908898 >>12908905 >>12908962

>objects flying around for decades doing impossible maneuvers
>pop culture muddys water with bs like ayy anal probs
>governments throw more shit on top of that to cover up SAPs
>skeptics refuse to do anything past surface level debunking and constantly behave out of a bad faith
>believers fumble topic constantly
>meanwhile the truth of whats going on gets covered up deeper and deeper
Prime informational and zeitgeist environment for a good ontological skull fucking of western society by anyone who has the means or evidence to do so, better hope there’s a good side to what’s going on, because you’re not going to figure it out in your own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:33:02 No.12908898 Report

Quoted By:

>>12908888
Nice quads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:34:07 No.12908905 Report

Quoted By: >>12908933

>>12908888
Good book. The point that whatever this is is so advanced it could present itself in any different way to observers it wants and may not distinctly want either full disclosure or to be hidden is an under addressed point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:41:48 No.12908933 Report

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>>12908905
Yup, it’s manipulating us and why it’s doing so is an absolute mystery. People are so wrapped up in the mythos and propaganda around it they can’t see beyond it, it’s hyper-real. It also strikes us on such a deep psychological, spiritual and even metaphysical, that if it chooses to become more open and apparent, it could easily manipulate human society how it deems fit, or it might continue to slowly troll us and our perceptions. Either way it’s an incredibly scary situation that we are at it’s mercy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:48:02 No.12908956 Report

Quoted By: >>12908974

>>12908876
>Even with the IR zoomed in there's no plume. You would see a plume if that was an airplane.
Where? It's not in the transcript? And I already showed you several pictures with IR zoomed in with no plume, so at best you are proving your "expert" has no clue what he's taking about. You already lost, but you're still arguing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:49:04 No.12908962 Report

Quoted By: >>12909019 >>12909070 >>12909099

>>12908888
>>objects flying around for decades doing impossible maneuvers
Show the video of impossible maneuvers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:51:25 No.12908974 Report

Quoted By: >>12909011

>>12908956
>Where?

I already told you, start at 29:10.

>It's not in the transcript?

Has a few errors because of voice to text. But you ignore that I gave you timestamps, and all this after you claim you watched the video....

>I already showed you several pictures with IR zoomed in with no plume

You showed me pictures of weather balloons.

>You already lost, but you're still arguing.

Projection. I'm glad you are here to discredit your side.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 18:59:58 No.12909011 Report

Quoted By: >>12909064

>>12908974
>I already told you, start at 29:10.
I did. The first mention of plume is at the part beginning on 29:43

>but we also notice is there's no plumes knock if you're looking at an airplane when you get closer you'll actually see the exhaust coming out

>Has a few errors because of voice to text.
A few errors doesn't make a coherent sentence with completely different meaning.

>
You showed me pictures of weather balloons.
Not an argument. Thanks for admitting exhaust plume are not always visible.

You must be delusional to not see what a massive hypocrite you are to be unable to respond to photographic evidence you're wrong while going on and on about "skeptics" supposedly ignoring evidence. You make UFOtards look mentally ill. Thank you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 19:01:21 No.12909019 Report

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>>12908962
it's interesting isn't it how they are always described as doing impossible maneuvers but when they are filmed they are always not doing anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 19:11:00 No.12909064 Report

Quoted By: >>12910189

>>12909011
Maybe our timings are off, according to the transcript it's at 35:05

>even in the eye are you yeah so there's I are zoomed in and there's no you would see a pluma thousand airplane

That's how it got rendered. On my browser at least it's 29:20 when this is being discussed.

https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ?t=1740

Maybe that link will get you to the same timing.

>Not an argument. Thanks for admitting exhaust plume are not always visible.

You posted unsourced images that I have no reason to believe are anything and claim it is outstanding proof. You expect me to believe any random bullshit you post? After you've been completely dishonest and lazy this entire discussion?

You are a moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 19:12:07 No.12909070 Report

Quoted By: >>12909223

>>12908962
Go read a history book on the topic. Sightings are ephemeral and are over as quickly as they happen, making filming with quality cameras borderline impossible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 19:19:13 No.12909099 Report

Quoted By: >>12909106

>>12908962
>implying you wouldn’t just say it’s fake anyway
No point

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 19:20:20 No.12909106 Report

Quoted By: >>12909200

>>12909099
The point is for lurkers.

The only reason I'm bothering with these dishonest shitheads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 19:39:33 No.12909200 Report

Quoted By: >>12909216

>>12909106
??

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 19:43:09 No.12909216 Report

Quoted By: >>12909239

>>12909200
You post the video even knowing that these 'skeptics' will just blatantly lie about it because there are 100's of people reading the thread silently, at least some of whom, are not so blind as the mule you are arguing with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 19:43:39 No.12909223 Report

Quoted By:

>>12909070
Show the video of impossible maneuvers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 19:47:40 No.12909239 Report

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>>12909216
Ok just wanted to clarify specifics, wasn’t sure if you were calling me the dishonest shithead or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 20:17:31 No.12909411 Report

Quoted By: >>12910107

Plausible but highly depressing explanation for what is going on with UFOs. You had better hope they're not aliens.

https://www.overcomingbias.com/2021/03/explaining-stylized-ufo-facts.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 20:21:04 No.12909430 Report

Quoted By:

>>12897666
trips of truth confirm

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 20:22:18 No.12909440 Report

Quoted By:

>>12900823
yes the government and military would never lie about their secret projects, especially when a video of one gets released to the public, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 22:47:22 No.12910107 Report

Quoted By: >>12910186 >>12910468 >>12915943

>>12909411
The problem with this, is that I can't see any one civilization existing for "millions" of years. They'd have to be absurdly, practically immortal, or just downright gods at self-restraint. It'd be too radical of a change, over millions of years. It's such a stretch. Which is why I'm convinced there's something time-space related with any mention of "humanoid visitors" - perhaps they're from another point in time entirely. There has to be some convenient bridge between the absurdities of time and space...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 23:09:31 No.12910186 Report

Quoted By:

>>12910107
>The problem with this, is that I can't see any one civilization existing for "millions" of years

Stabilizing civilization for the long term is achievable. It seems hard to us because we're young and chaotic, but once we have total surveillance a world government really could lock in permanent stability. Doesn't require biological immortality, just aggressively intrusive institutions, which we would adapt to biologically or culturally over the long run.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Mar 2021 23:11:08 No.12910189 Report

Quoted By: >>12913220

>>12909064
At 24:30 he says

>but we also notice is there's no plumes knock if you're looking at an airplane when you get closer you'll actually see the exhaust coming out

So you're simply misrepresenting him when you claim he said an airplane always has a visible exhaust plume. He assuming the object is close enough to see an exhaust plume when it's not.

He then says you "usually see exhaust" and "it's just sitting there." He thinks the radar being out of range means the object is doing something. He does not seem to understand that the object can simply be too far away to see exhaust, movement, and for radar to work. Best of all, he fails to recognize that the object leaves the field of view because the camera loses lock, not because it goes fast! Your so called expert is either an idiot or purposefully leaving out the obvious.

>You posted unsourced images that I have no reason to believe are anything
Great, so you have no response. Thanks for admitting planes don't always have visible exhaust plumes!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 00:27:15 No.12910468 Report

Quoted By: >>12910482

>>12910107
>perhaps they're from another point in time entirely
this is science fiction and bullshit. there has never been anything to indicate time exists in this way, as some medium you can travel through that contains all time periods.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 00:31:30 No.12910482 Report

Quoted By:

>>12910468
>the limited human perspective dictates what external reality is!
t. troglodyte mistaking shadows for reality

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 04:59:31 No.12911300 Report

Quoted By:

The
>its ayylium DRONES bro
meme seems so much like the little green men from mars meme from the 60s to me. just because we have recently developed drones does not mean we should map that technology onto these things as what it "must" be. There is no reason to believe the phenomenon will be something we will understand in a human frame of reference. If it really IS just alien drone probes, then honestly thats a more simplistic explanation believe it or not.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 05:23:50 No.12911333 Report

Quoted By: >>12912082

>>12907669
I'm not responding to anything you say because you can't fucking READ you colossal faggot. The first post in which YOU FUCKING REPLIED TO LATER was one about Thunderf00t, you illiterate cocksucker.

Stop punishing the world with your presence

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 08:40:24 No.12911707 Report

Quoted By: >>12912087

>>12894369
Go to bed CIA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 08:41:34 No.12911709 Report

Quoted By: >>12912093

>>12895785
Youre an absolute retard. Stop posting here and go back to plebbit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 08:42:41 No.12911714 Report

Quoted By: >>12912093

>>12895966
Youtube is a not a source, if you had anything beyond a highschool education you would already know that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 11:13:34 No.12912082 Report

Quoted By:

>>12911333
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Yawn

>The first post in which YOU FUCKING REPLIED TO LATER was one about Thunderf00t
No, it was the claim that "it's a bird" is a retarded explanation. I asked why and the typical dance in which a UFOtard fails over and over again to justify their claim began.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 11:14:49 No.12912087 Report

Quoted By:

>>12911707

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Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 11:17:19 No.12912093 Report

Quoted By:

>>12911709
>no response
Thanks for admitting you're full of shit.

>>12911714
>Youtube is a not a source
Correct, it's a medium. You didn't even attack the source. UFOtards are truly braindead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 19:10:41 No.12913220 Report

Quoted By: >>12913571

>>12910189
You intentionally are taking things out of context to confuse things.

He means you see the plumes WITH YOUR NAKED EYE when you are close enough.

You blatantly ignore what he says in my link that with a zoomed in IR you would see plumes.

Why do you blatantly ignore what he says in my link?

>Great, so you have no response.

Your unsourced pictures don't count as any evidence. I could post a picture of an alien I made myself and it would be equivalent to what you posted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 20:42:44 No.12913571 Report

Quoted By: >>12913653

>>12913220
>He means you see the plumes WITH YOUR NAKED EYE when you are close enough.
Nope, he's talking about an IR image and what what you see on IR:

>at the top middle it means it's an infrared mode so instead of seeing color you're seeing temperature variations and these things are extremely sensitive to win like tents of degrees they will tell you the difference due to color so it'll go from black to white so in this case white is hot so if you look down in the bottom left corner it says waht that's white that means white is hot so the object that you're looking at is hotter than the sky around it but we also notice is there's no plumes knock if you're looking at an airplane when you get closer you'll actually see the exhaust coming out and there will be a really going boom that's important as we look at the video

Once again, UFOtards can't read.

>You blatantly ignore what he says in my link that with a zoomed in IR you would see plumes.
I didn't ignore it. He's assuming the object is close enough to see exhaust when it isn't. Your entire "argument" is to just shut off your brain, ignore photographic evidence, and "trust" what you think an expert is saying (as long as the expert says what you want to believe). You're pathetic.

The source of >>12905316 is David Falch, who you cited before.

They're all from this thread: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-shape-and-size-of-glare-around-bright-lights.10596/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 20:55:20 No.12913622 Report

Quoted By:

>>12887948
Isn't it sad how no one cares about leaks unless MSM reports it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 20:56:42 No.12913625 Report

Quoted By: >>12913636

>>12896513
Those are identified things you retard

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Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 21:01:06 No.12913636 Report

Quoted By: >>12913671

>>12913625
>an unidentified plane is identified because it's a plane
>an IR blob is identified because it's a plane

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Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 21:10:02 No.12913653 Report

Quoted By: >>12914026

>>12913571
>when it isn't.

Man, how do you know the distance of a plane they couldn't get distancing on? Btw, the further away it is that means the faster it is travelling off the camera. So you're just magnifying its incredible speed.

I'll trust Fravor saying you would see a plume in IR over some asshat that makes shit up.

>David Falch, who you cited before.

Nope. In fact it looks like the source is Mick West, you cannot even cite your own source. You're laughably disgraceful.

> ignore photographic evidence

Just because you post photos of unrelated events does not prove these events, which have multiple credible witnesses, and regular visible footage (a fact you've repeatedly lied about) are just glares. You are just projecting your own intellectual failings to save your narrow worldview.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 21:17:38 No.12913671 Report

Quoted By: >>12913944

>>12913636
>it's hard to identify a plane

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 22:38:12 No.12913944 Report

Quoted By: >>12914691

>>12913671
>It's hard to identify an IR blob
Yes.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 22:51:09 No.12913994 Report

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hmmm today I will believe the government

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 01 Apr 2021 23:01:13 No.12914026 Report

Quoted By: >>12914635

>>12913653
>Man, how do you know the distance of a plane they couldn't get distancing on?
Because all its apparent movement is from camera movement (determined by telemetry), it's out of focus, out of range of radar, and it looks like other FLIR examples of distant planes. See https://youtu.be/s1oTg0kxzDs

>Btw, the further away it is that means the faster it is travelling off the camera. So you're just magnifying its incredible speed.
Are you actually this stupid? The fighter jet the camera is on not stationary. If it is locked on a slow or stationary object, and then loses lock, the object will shoot out of the frame due to the speed of the fighter jet, not the object itself.

>I'll trust Fravor saying you would see a plume in IR over some asshat that makes shit up.
But you won't trust him when he says that you need to be close to a plane to see the plume in IR. Curious.

>Nope. In fact it looks like the source is Mick West
Nope, wrong again retard. Here's the video it's from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JuyQWiD5HU&t=23s

Are you capable of getting a single substantive point correct?

This image >>12905311 is from the Chilean Navy video I already posted.

>Just because you post photos of unrelated events does not prove these events, which have multiple credible witnesses, and regular visible footage (a fact you've repeatedly lied about)
Where did I lie? You haven't refuted a single thing I've said. You on the other hand lie in every post.

>are just glares
I don't need to prove they're glares, the point was to refute your idiotic lie that exhaust plumes are always visible.

Do you enjoy getting BTFO every time you post?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 03:19:35 No.12914635 Report

Quoted By: >>12914664

>>12914026
>Are you actually this stupid?

The irony. You say a distant object cannot be held in lock on the system because of the jet's movement when the object is incredibly distant. Laughable. You are a certified moron.

>But you won't trust him when he says that you need to be close to a plane to see the plume in IR. Curious.

Because the way that part of the interview sounds like he was illustrating what you see with the naked eye for the laypeople listening. You take his explicit statement about the video that a plume should be seen and override it with a more general statement not about the video. Not curious, but illustrative of your intellectual dishonesty.

>Where did I lie?

How about all the times you said that Fravor doesn't say what I linked to? You spent like 5+ posts calling me a liar. You senile? You have also repeatedly said the video is only in IR. Another lie.

>Do you enjoy getting BTFO every time you post?

I enjoy seeing how much of a moron you continue to prove yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 03:28:56 No.12914659 Report

Quoted By: >>12914687

>shit quality video
>only released by military organisations
>incident too place within very limited timeframe and limited geographical area and never repeated there or anywhere else
Fuck trying to draw conclusions based on that, other than the documentation being way too unreliable. It's directly comparable to any other ufo sighting, there's no way to investigate it further thus the whole incident is totally useless as proof of anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 03:30:57 No.12914664 Report

Quoted By: >>12915176

>>12914635
>You say a distant object cannot be held in lock on the system because of the jet's movement when the object is incredibly distant.
Where did I say it couldn't be held in lock? You're so fucking illiterate.

>Because the way that part of the interview sounds like he was illustrating what you see with the naked eye for the laypeople listening
While he's explaining how the IR works? No.

>You take his explicit statement about the video that a plume should be seen and override it with a more general statement not about the video.
He is talking about the video. Either Fravor is spouting bullshit that David Falch's video disproves, or he's talking under the assumption that the plane is not 50 miles away. I don't really care which you want to believe, it's your choice.

>How about all the times you said that Fravor doesn't say what I linked to?
Fravor never said that plumes are always visible, he said the opposite.

>You have also repeatedly said the video is only in IR.
Where??? Nice, easily disproven lie. Keep it up.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 03:42:46 No.12914687 Report

Quoted By: >>12914721

>>12914659
Happened in Belgium years ago exactly like the US Navy, look at the links in this thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 03:44:05 No.12914691 Report

Quoted By: >>12914703

>>12913944
>Something on IR going 300 mph in a straight line
>There's no way to know what it is
It's a plane you fuck head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 03:49:05 No.12914703 Report

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>>12914691
Who are you quoting?

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Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 03:56:40 No.12914721 Report

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>>12914687
So, more shitty ass video and "I saw a thing" eyewitness accounts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 05:25:06 No.12914872 Report

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>>12906772
The June report will be a strategic disappointment. Because the populace is full of idiots and the government doesn't have the answers anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 05:34:56 No.12914891 Report

Quoted By: >>12915891 >>12918286

>>12885992
The secret is that there is no secret. "The Government" is a hogwash of inadequate people (mostly boomers) who weren't good enough to do anything else. Politians are selfish assholes just smart enough and charismatic enough to trick the animals that are the majority of the human race.

The secret is that the people who run our nation, and most nations, are not the smartest or most capable, they don't understand complex problems, and we aren't going anywhere.

The big corporations literally just want to make money, the people who run the corporations and are on the boards are inadequate boomers.

There is no big secret conspiracy, it's stupid people who shouldn't be running governments doing stupid things.

And its always been like this and it will never change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 08:15:06 No.12915176 Report

Quoted By: >>12915636

>>12914664
>Fravor never said that plumes are always visible, he said the opposite.

We were arguing whether Fravor said you should see a plume, and you called me a liar, and ignored it when I proved you were the liar.

>Where did I say it couldn't be held in lock?

You didn't have to say that, that's what happened in the video we're discussing. You act like you still can't remember the video. You might have serious memory issues.

>Where??? Nice, easily disproven lie. Keep it up.

All the times you call it an IR glitch.... Anon, you are a very sad example of a debater.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 12:35:41 No.12915636 Report

Quoted By: >>12917205

>>12915176
>We were arguing whether Fravor said you should see a plume
Fravor said you should see a plume when you get closer, and he assumes the camera was close enough to see it. You conveniently failed to mentioned that. As I already proved and you continue to ignore, the exhaust plume of distant airplanes is not always visible. So you can choose to believe that Fravor is wrong and not an expert, or that you misinterpreted what he was saying. Your choice. I choose to believe the latter.

>You didn't have to say that, that's what happened in the video we're discussing.
Do you have amnesia? You just claimed I "say a distant object cannot be held in lock on the system because of the jet's movement when the object is incredibly distant." Now you're claiming I didn't say it. Which is it, liar?

>All the times you call it an IR glitch
Where did I do that? Go ahead and link the posts. There's no mention of glitch in this thread and the only thing I've called it is an airplane. You're truly getting desperate and stacking lies on top of lies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 14:20:18 No.12915891 Report

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>>12914891
true shit

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Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 14:31:57 No.12915943 Report

Quoted By: >>12918208

>>12910107
>There has to be some convenient bridge between the absurdities of time and space...
retard they are two sides of the same coin. learn relativity some day brainlet

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Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 15:31:10 No.12916131 Report

Quoted By: >>12916135

https://youtu.be/oN9pl9CI6Yc?t=2440
Watch this stuff, there's always interesting footage in this show.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 15:32:21 No.12916135 Report

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>>12916131

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Anonymous Fri 02 Apr 2021 20:15:58 No.12917205 Report

Quoted By: >>12918159

>>12915636
>Fravor said you should see a plume when you get closer, and he assumes the camera was close enough to see it.

Then later explicitly states that with a zoomed in IR you should see an exhaust plume. You choose to ignore this. Like I said, you take a non-direct statement as absolute proof then ignore his direct statement. Mental gymnastics.

>Do you have amnesia?
>No you

You argued all apparent motion is due to the recording jet, which would include the motion where it flies out of the lock. You cannot even hold a conversation you dirt.

> You're truly getting desperate and stacking lies on top of lies.

Top projection, you dishonest piece of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Apr 2021 00:04:17 No.12918159 Report

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>>12917205
>Then later explicitly states that with a zoomed in IR you should see an exhaust plume
Assuming that the camera is close enough to the exhaust plume to see it.

>You choose to ignore this.
No I didn't. You chose to ignore my response, just like you chose to ignore the evidence you're wrong. You've been proven wrong for most of this thread now, so this is pretty pointless. Decide whether Fravor is an idiot or talking under an assumption. Get it over with.

>You argued all apparent motion is due to the recording jet, which would include the motion where it flies out of the lock.
Yeah, and how does that imply the object cannot be held in lock on the system because of the jet's movement?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Apr 2021 00:17:08 No.12918208 Report

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>>12915943
He's not implying they're not, you illiterate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 Apr 2021 00:35:45 No.12918286 Report

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>>12914891
>reddit spacing
>ignores all of academic elite theory
>im not stupid they're the ones who are stupid
pseud, go back with your stupid simplification of complex global politics

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