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Do you believe that higher dimensions actually exist?

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 03:29:44 2021 No.12870806 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12870811 >>12871143 >>12871191 >>12871526 >>12871571 >>12871693

I don’t. I guess the math works but math model anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 03:30:51 No.12870811 Report

Quoted By: >>12870834

>>12870806
I imagine they do but I don't think they get more complex as dimensions go higher

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 03:37:35 No.12870834 Report

Quoted By: >>12870845

>>12870811
So you don’t believe in say 4 or 5 dimensional spaces?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 03:40:43 No.12870845 Report

Quoted By: >>12870852

>>12870834
I do I just don't think they're important. I'm not sure time is of the fourth dimension especially if space-time is a real group. If so then it's of the zeroeth dimension

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 03:45:03 No.12870852 Report

Quoted By: >>12870855

>>12870845
Time is the sixth dimension. Astrophysicists are still looking for 4 and 5 actually

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 03:46:14 No.12870855 Report

Quoted By: >>12870860

>>12870852
Is the sixth dimension derived from the 5th as in math? Wouldn't that imply the third has no time (linear or not)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 03:47:54 No.12870860 Report

Quoted By: >>12870862

>>12870855
It’s derived from logic

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 03:48:53 No.12870862 Report

Quoted By: >>12870865

>>12870860
I'm asking for the relationship between 3rd and 6th. Using logic to derive that relationship would be nice since that's easy to follow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 03:50:14 No.12870865 Report

Quoted By: >>12870872

>>12870862
This exists therefore that must exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 03:53:12 No.12870872 Report

Quoted By: >>12870882

>>12870865
Yes but how. I can say cats exist therefore dogs must.
I have issue with time being so far away from space. It seems to contradict itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 03:58:09 No.12870882 Report

Quoted By: >>12870890

>>12870872
It’s becuase they’re unsure that time really exists but by logic, they know dinenion 4 and 5 exists. So they have put it as dimension 6 until there is enough enough to believe it exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 04:01:48 No.12870890 Report

Quoted By: >>12870909

>>12870882
Damn yeah I wouldn't separate space from time unless there's a relationship which quantifies the difference. I would be interested in seeing if dimensions derive from each other as it does in math. Clearly a zeroeth dimension is a magnitude of causation larger than from 1st to 2nd. It gets bigger in smaller and smaller terms but the causation of a smaller dimension has more impact on the later dimensions

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 04:11:28 No.12870909 Report

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>>12870890
Exactly

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 05:45:31 No.12871143 Report

Quoted By: >>12871165 >>12871269 >>12871519 >>12871719

>>12870806
Yes, I believe so. In fact, here is something anyone
can do/observe.

Take the number of people in a group or country
and number each of them. I can say that each
person is in the fourth dimension because
not only do we see each other in 3 dimensions,
we can see that each person is in a dimension
of their own by the number attached on them.

So, if you're #24 and the other person is #25
then it's the real life interaction we're used to.
But it's when the other person renumbers
himself to #24 that both of you can finally meet
face to face. This analogy can be extended for
other dimensions if possible. How about it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 05:50:44 No.12871164 Report

Quoted By: >>12871172

anyone who refers to additional dimensions as “higher dimensions” is obviously a stoner.

t. string theorist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 05:51:17 No.12871165 Report

Quoted By: >>12871269

>>12871143
That's not wrong but it's not using orthodox information and it's hard to build a rigorous framework just from it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 05:52:17 No.12871172 Report

Quoted By: >>12871180

>>12871164
Can you comment on whether dimensions are derived from others a la math?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 05:55:38 No.12871180 Report

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>>12871172
i could comment on many things if the request for comment weren’t incoherent stoner ramblings

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 05:58:54 No.12871191 Report

Quoted By: >>12871221

>>12870806
As far as I know, nah.
4D is where it's at, 3 spacial and 1 temporal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 06:08:16 No.12871221 Report

Quoted By: >>12871225

>>12871191
What about the complex or imaginary plane?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 06:10:12 No.12871225 Report

Quoted By: >>12871230

>>12871221
Just math stuff. Imaginary numbers are literally just numbers that we treat like variables because we have no clue how to work with them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 06:13:42 No.12871230 Report

Quoted By: >>12871257

>>12871225
>Imaginary numbers are literally just numbers that we treat like variables because we have no clue how to work with them.
They don't fit in regular 3d space without creating a new dimension or variable to work with them. If we had no clue what they were or how to work with them, wifi and electromagnetism in general would not be possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 06:23:27 No.12871257 Report

Quoted By: >>12871285

>>12871230
We didn't need a new dimension to fit in zero or negative numbers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 06:27:04 No.12871269 Report

Quoted By: >>12871340

>>12871143
>>12871165
Okay, what orthodox information do we need for
the construction of the dimension?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 06:32:41 No.12871285 Report

Quoted By: >>12871331

>>12871257
The zero point is the point that binds all dimensions.

Negation is an operation, not a dimension.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 06:54:53 No.12871331 Report

Quoted By: >>12871339

>>12871285
The complex plane is just made of complex numbers, which are just 2 component numbers: the imaginary number and real numbers.
Waves do not disappear into some other undetectable dimension once they hit the imaginary plane. This implies they are part of the 3d space of reality.
We don't need a new dimension just because we can't comprehend operations with imaginary numbers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 06:59:00 No.12871339 Report

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>>12871331
>Waves do not disappear into some other undetectable dimension once they hit the imaginary plane.
Right, we know about that dimension thanks to electromagnetism, so the waves in the complex space are detectable now to us thanks to our knowledge of math and energy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 06:59:31 No.12871340 Report

Quoted By: >>12871519

>>12871269
I think a zeroeth dimension is constructed by asserting physical space-time then add orthogonal angles by a formula (e.g. AB = -BA, where A or B are zeroeth dimensions and A - B = AB and gives us distance, direction etc).
That can continue constructively for other dimensions but it's up to you how to construct it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 08:15:43 No.12871519 Report

Quoted By: >>12871527

>>12871143
>>12871340
It's like linear algebra then.

Assuming I impose parametric coordinates,
so that time dictates where in space something
is, the zeroth dimension is a standstill.
It has no length or angle to speak of and the
zero vector is linearly dependent to itself, thus
no orthogonality.

The first dimension is a bit better where there is
distance, orthogonality to the zero vector at
every point, and the negation of a vector flips it
180 degrees the opposite direction.
Something like that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 08:17:58 No.12871526 Report

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>>12870806
Why would you say the math works? As if you actually knew any advanced math. You are a just a pop-sci tourist

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 08:18:57 No.12871527 Report

Quoted By: >>12871719

>>12871519
In linear algebra justification yes but I'm not sure about string theory etc.

There are other physical structures of possible dimensions (like coherentist where 0 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 0 or at singular dimension) but you'd have to justify those in math first then show how they map reality better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 08:37:11 No.12871571 Report

Quoted By: >>12871587

>>12870806
No I don't. I'm sure the mathematics is correct in the sense that no errors were made in the actual calculations, but the assumptions are wrong.
A classic example is the whole "first, let's assume the cows are spherical". The following calculations are correct but if a core assumption is just wrong then the math will tell you nothing useful about reality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 08:45:53 No.12871587 Report

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>>12871571
>the assumptions are wrong.
Which assumptions and which dimensions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 09:30:33 No.12871693 Report

Quoted By: >>12871694

>>12870806
dimension in math has a priori nothing to do with spatial dimension.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 09:31:27 No.12871694 Report

Quoted By: >>12871776

>>12871693
What's the non-mathematical way to deal with physical dimensions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 09:40:36 No.12871719 Report

Quoted By: >>12871724

>>12871143
>>12871527
I'm not quite familiar with string theory and all
but linear algebra (also topology and group theory)
are the best bets to formalizing these
dimensions. At this point, physics takes over
with their usage and interpretations of the math
to build this reality for string theory. However,
I would not make any comparisons with the
theory and the reality so soon, not without
experimental results.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 09:43:12 No.12871724 Report

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>>12871719
I agree but I think enough experiments are out there that if your formalization works and it proves what's been observed it can be considered a good enough framework for analytically proposing new derivations etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 10:02:05 No.12871776 Report

Quoted By: >>12871799

>>12871694
Geometry is what happens when you give math spacial form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 10:17:24 No.12871799 Report

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>>12871776
That's certainly one field. If you can found geometry then apply it in physics it works. I've used vector geometry itt

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