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Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 14:12:44 2021 No.12859053 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12859064 >>12859071 >>12859114 >>12860181 >>12860872 >>12860927 >>12863067 >>12866372 >>12867797 >>12867876 >>12869389 >>12876062

Should I be as afraid of this stuff as I am? Is it a guarantee it'll increase my heart rate and blood pressure or is it possible it won't? That really scares me shitless

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 14:20:28 No.12859064 Report

Quoted By: >>12859074

>>12859053
does your doctor want to prescribe you addy or are you just a really anxious junkie in the making?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 14:23:41 No.12859071 Report

Quoted By: >>12859074

>>12859053
>Is it a guarantee it'll increase my heart rate and blood pressure
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 14:25:21 No.12859074 Report

Quoted By: >>12868422

>>12859064
I've already been prescribed it 3 times but was too afraid to take it. I still have the most recent prescription. I keep having no results from antidepressants and other medications and lifestyle changes so different doctors keep prescribing this when they run out of ideas. I'm always tired, can't concentrate on anything and can barely remember anything.
>>12859071
I have a massive phobia of seeing hearts, hearing or feeling heartbeats, getting my blood pressure taken etc. Before you ask, do far it's been perfect every time I get it measured.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 14:41:13 No.12859114 Report

Quoted By: >>12859125

>>12859053
Dude it's amphetamine. What do you expect?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 14:43:58 No.12859124 Report

Quoted By: >>12859127 >>12868492

I take vyvanze. Works for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 14:44:08 No.12859125 Report

Quoted By: >>12859131 >>12859328 >>12860878

>>12859114
Idk I really really really don't want to take it but I'm running out of options.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 14:45:12 No.12859127 Report

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>>12859124
My insurance won't cover that, unfortunately. My current psych strongly preferred to prescribe that over Adderall but I'd have to wait until there's a generic available.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 14:46:42 No.12859131 Report

Quoted By: >>12859133

>>12859125
There is an alternative to drugs. No drugs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 14:48:41 No.12859133 Report

Quoted By: >>12859156 >>12860927

>>12859131
I've been non-functiobal for 11 years now since I suddenly started feeling dead tired and my concentration got worse and J started to barely be able to remember anything. I've tried all the lifestyle changes and supplements you could mention and they don't help. I'd rather not take any drugs but it seems I have to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 14:55:29 No.12859156 Report

Quoted By: >>12859168 >>12860042

>>12859133
I'm sure you haven't tried everything.
Get some fucking blood work done.
Also read Peter Gøtzsche's "deadly psychiatry and organised denial"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 14:58:19 No.12859168 Report

Quoted By: >>12859199 >>12859208

>>12859156
I've gotten bloodwork done literally dozens of times over the past 11 years and every doctor always tells me everything is perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 15:09:23 No.12859199 Report

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>>12859168
They barely test anything.
Get some inspiration here https://www.youtube.com/c/PaulSaladinoMD/search?query=lab

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 15:11:35 No.12859208 Report

Quoted By: >>12859256

>>12859168
pulled it up for you:
• CBC with Differential
• Basic Lipid Profile
• NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance) Lipid Profile (LabCorp) - OR - Lipid Ion Mobility (Quest)
• LPLA
• Insulin Sensitivity Markers
? Fasting Insulin Hemoglobin A1C
? Fasting Glucose
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel w/ GGT (gama glutamine transferase)
• Full Thyroid Panel (TSH, free T3, freeT4 and combo T3/T4, maybe even reverse T3)
• HSCRP - high sensitivity CRP
• HSY - homocysteine panel
• Hormone Panel - serum levels (blood is better for androgens)
• Uric Acid
• Iron Panel - TIBC (total iron binding capacity), ferritin, transferrin and serum iron)
• Coenzyme Q10 serum level, RBC folate and an RBC magnesium level

Extra curricular tests:

• Full micronutrient panel
• IGF1 (insulin growth factor 1)
• Leptin
• A more sophisticated lipid panel (e.g. desmosterol)
• Heavy metal profile (using serum)
• Fructosamine (to complement HbA1c)
• Cystatin C (renal function)
• C-peptide (insulin measure)
• DUTCH test (more sophisticated hormone panel) - OR - GI (gastrointestinal) testing i.e. not bloodwork

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Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 15:30:28 No.12859256 Report

Quoted By: >>12860045

>>12859208
No creatinine..?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 15:56:38 No.12859328 Report

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>>12859125

Just take it. Honestly, it's one of the best drugs in the world. First time you take it is like nothing else. You'll feel fantastic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 19:54:05 No.12860042 Report

Quoted By: >>12860163

>>12859156
unless you have a history of heart disease the risks are a nothingburger lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 19:55:07 No.12860045 Report

Quoted By: >>12860960

>>12859256
yeah retard, he's having focus issues because his kidneys are fucked. jesus fucking christ

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 20:23:26 No.12860163 Report

Quoted By: >>12874192

>>12860042
lol yeah not

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 20:26:33 No.12860181 Report

Quoted By: >>12860193

>>12859053
Just sell it to college students and make bank. The amount of money you'll make will cure you of whatever mental illness or zoomer brain deficiencies you have right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 20:29:42 No.12860193 Report

Quoted By: >>12860293

>>12860181
Not ruining my life with stupid shit like that. I need a degree and a complete lack of criminal history to do what I want in life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 20:59:31 No.12860293 Report

Quoted By: >>12860485 >>12860503

>>12860193

It's prescribed to little kids. Millions of people take it. It's not a guaranteed solution to all of your problems in life but it's not the bogeyman people make it out to be. It's a useful drug, like caffeine, only better. Don't be retarded and binge on it, don't sell it, don't tell your doc it's not working and triple your dosage, just get a reasonable prescription like 15mg and enjoy your increased productivity. What you accomplish in your early twenties will pay dividends for the rest of your life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 22:00:55 No.12860485 Report

Quoted By: >>12862040 >>12862121 >>12865820

>>12860293
Dude ADHD is a fake disorder such that companies can sell amphetamines (adderal and ritalin) to children. Oh and you know the side effects from a few years of such drugs are identical to symptoms of borderline personality disorder but "professionals" conveniently forget that and give you a new diagnosis. Then they prescribe you antipsychotics and it's all downhill (brain damage) from there. The eternal patient milked for profit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 22:05:58 No.12860503 Report

Quoted By: >>12862040 >>12862138

>>12860293
When the dose wears off, will I go back to being completely unable to learn/remember and barely have the energy to brush my teeth? Am I still going to wake up all night and feel like complete shit when I wake up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 23:35:11 No.12860872 Report

Quoted By: >>12860931

>>12859053
>heart condition
maybe you should consult your doctor

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 23:37:01 No.12860878 Report

Quoted By: >>12860931 >>12862040

>>12859125
it's basically like coffee. we're all adults here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 23:55:39 No.12860927 Report

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>>12859053
it only increases HR by 2%-10% for a short period of time. No different than eating a gallon of salt for launch at mcdonalds will do.

>>12859133
>cant sleep
>cant think
>cant focus
you have stress management issues. I'm not talking BS I was diagnosed with ADD when I was 8-11 back in the late 90s but was ignored until I was in college and I got to this point and asked is something wrong with me?

I've been off adderal for 9yrs now and I have kept my stress to a minimum for 6yrs now. I miss reading books, I miss being able to sit and enjoy a hobby longer than 30min, but I sleep well enough, I can learn things and recall/think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Mar 2021 23:56:52 No.12860931 Report

Quoted By: >>12862049

>>12860872
I don't have a heart condition.
>>12860878
I don't really like the way caffeine makes me feel but I can't get the energy to do stuff like laundry/dishes/brushing teeth/lifting weights without the tiny bit of energy it gives me.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Mar 2021 00:06:01 No.12860960 Report

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>>12860045
>The physiological implications of kidney dysfunction don't matter
I hate that retarded larpers which demonstrably have zero understanding of medicine persist with giving poor advice

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Mar 2021 08:02:06 No.12862040 Report

Quoted By: >>12862385

>>12860878
>it's basically like coffee. we're all adults here.
I take amphetamine daily (prescribed) and it's definitely not like coffee besides potentially some similar NEergic effects like faster heart beat and jitteriness

>>12860503
>When the dose wears off, will I go back to being completely unable to learn/remember and barely have the energy to brush my teeth?
Yes, probably, depending on your exact dosing regimen.

But the important thing is the stuff you learned/remembered when on it will still stay with you for a long time, whether you do or don't use it again. Compared to your permanently substance-free baseline, it's probably a step up.

You'll probably never find a drug that's as powerful and beneficial as amphetamine which also retains its effects 24/7 without ever needing a dose increase. If you ever do, it's probably something that happens to be treating a specific neurological abnormality that's unique to you in some way. (Like a major vitamin deficiency, as a simple example.)

>Am I still going to wake up all night and feel like complete shit when I wake up?
Maybe? Maybe not. Not sure

>>12860485
Not a word of this is even a little true except that "ADHD" is not a great term

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Mar 2021 08:06:25 No.12862049 Report

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>>12860931
then drugs aren't your problem. Grow up to your responsibilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Mar 2021 08:44:32 No.12862121 Report

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>>12860485

Who cares whether the disorder is "fake" or not. It's a useful drug. It makes you productive. You don't have to take it forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Mar 2021 08:52:38 No.12862138 Report

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>>12860503

Probably, yeah. If you want something with 24/7 effects try modafinil. It's not adderall but it's not bad. You can buy it as adrafinil without a prescription. Phenylpiracetam is also an excellent nootropic you can buy without prescription as well. Lasts all day, you can stay on it 24/7 if you want since it doesn't keep you up. If you go the nootropic route first, try some other supplements too like magnesium l-threonate (good for adhd) and cdp-choline, uridine monophosphate, plus a daily multivitamin.

Phenylpiracetam doesn't feel like much but it's the best bang for your buck IMO in terms of benefits to side-effects ratio.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Mar 2021 11:14:05 No.12862385 Report

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>>12862040
Read Peter Gøtzsche's "deadly psychiatry and organised denial"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Mar 2021 13:23:44 No.12862673 Report

Quoted By: >>12869768

Let me just leave this quote here:
"When a study showed that children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) had smaller brains than other children and critics suspected it might be a drug effect (adderal), access to the data was denied."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Mar 2021 13:26:58 No.12862684 Report

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I've been taking adderall almost everyday so I can become a quant at a big bad hedge fund and make lots of monies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Mar 2021 15:15:39 No.12863067 Report

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>>12859053
Put it in your butt

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 02:39:33 No.12865820 Report

Quoted By: >>12867379

>>12860485
Companies have no problem selling life-saving drugs at a huge markup to make a profit. They don't need to make up disorders and they would get reamed by fines from governmental agencies if they tried to do something so ridiculous. Also, stimulants are dirt cheap to manufacture. You probably think that they're expensive because of their black market price.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 05:41:39 No.12866372 Report

Quoted By: >>12867331

>>12859053
It sounds like you're a very anxious person in the first place, adderall might give you a bad anxiety spike.
Physical effects you shouldn't worry about if you have no history of problems.
Try it and see if it helps but be prepared and stay calm trying it. It wont kill you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 12:41:09 No.12867331 Report

Quoted By: >>12868516

>>12866372
I've heard some people say ADHD can be mistaken for anxiety and depression or caused by it and I have no idea what to believe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 12:56:57 No.12867379 Report

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>>12865820
Most of what you just wrote is wrong if you read Peter Gøtszche

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 14:57:45 No.12867797 Report

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>>12859053
Its a poison the forces a responce from the brain as a means of protection against harm.
This reaction to a poison results in responses that aid in alertness as the body and brain are under attack.
These danger reactions and respnses are studied and deamed benificial to productivity.

Not everyone was built to be a slave, these poisons help with adapting to slavery conditions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 15:22:27 No.12867876 Report

Quoted By: >>12868139

>>12859053
Take it during weekdays and take weekends off. It takes 48 hours to leave your system so as long as you follow that routine you won't build a tolerance. Don't be scared.

t.adhd

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Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 15:35:04 No.12867907 Report

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I'm prescribed these; instant release. I only take them to help with my cramming before an exam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 16:41:00 No.12868139 Report

Quoted By: >>12868497 >>12870837

>>12867876
How do you succeed at Uni with ADD? i can't fucking work even with meds

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 17:47:30 No.12868422 Report

Quoted By: >>12868484

>>12859074
You sound like a mental weakling. You definitely should not take it. Amphetamines are so easy to integrate into your everyday life and the improvements are legit, which is why it is so dangerous for people with an affinity for addictive behaviour.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:13:30 No.12868484 Report

Quoted By: >>12868543

>>12868422
>mental weakling
How do you strengthen your mental ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:17:32 No.12868492 Report

Quoted By: >>12868497

>>12859124
>>12859124
Love vyvanse. After getting diagnosed my biggest concern about stim meds was how much they crank up my anxiety (which was why I actually went to the doctor, I thought I had GAD). I'm stunned by how smooth vyvanse is, and for most of the day it actually makes me feel so relaxed. No crash at all

I dread the day it goes generic and a bunch of shitty companies find a way to fuck it up though. It's a pricier one and there's no doubt my insurance will want to capitalize on the savings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:19:04 No.12868497 Report

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>>12868492
>>12868139
plox

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:23:54 No.12868516 Report

Quoted By: >>12868528

>>12867331
That's absolutely true, and it's something a lot of people don't know about the disorder. although I had dealt with the cognitive aspects of ADHD (unable to pay attention, not sticking to tasks, procrastinating etc.) since I was a kid, the anxiety and inability to manage my emotions was by far the most debilitating quality of it. The difference is that the anxiety and "depression" symptoms are caused by our brains having an inconsistent amount of dopamine, and it's always trying to set things straight no matter what. This can cause a lot of emotional discomfort.

When I got medicated, my anxiety pretty much disappeared. It noticeably returns when I take a day off and drink coffee instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:26:34 No.12868528 Report

Quoted By: >>12868542 >>12868554

>>12868516
Is taking this stuff going to like decrease my lifespan or something? Is it a bad idea to keep drinking coffee if I start taking it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:30:13 No.12868542 Report

Quoted By: >>12868547

>>12868528
You sound very anxious. Perhaps medication that increases energy is not what you need. You should look into anxiety medication. Or you could just try it and see if it works for you. Alternative is to keep worrying, but still do nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:30:41 No.12868543 Report

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>>12868484
https://hbr.org/2011/04/building-resilience

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:31:58 No.12868547 Report

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>>12868542
Anxiety medication like Buspar has done nothing. I felt nothing even from Xanax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:33:12 No.12868554 Report

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>>12868528
In the long-long term it's probably not great for your heart, but that can be offset by better exercise and diet. vyvanse is a much more subtle one that doesn't throttle your body as much because it only converts into the drug after you digest it, so you probably have less to worry about compared to some other ADHD meds.

I had the same concern as you about the coffee when starting because I loved that shit and I was a daily drinker. the way my doctor explained it to me, when you drink coffee while on an amphetamine, you're basically just mashing two different stimulants together and hoping for the best. in many cases this just increases the side effects for both substances. some people think it ruins the meds entirely. I tried drinking a bit of coffee during my first week and it got me feeling way too fucking tense. now I just save coffee for the weekends when I don't take vyvanse

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:37:33 No.12868574 Report

Quoted By: >>12868585

Any effective differences between pharmaceutical drugs and self-made amphetamine?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:39:33 No.12868585 Report

Quoted By: >>12868589

>>12868574
one won't land you in prison

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:41:20 No.12868589 Report

Quoted By: >>12868599

>>12868585
Not worried about that. Don't live in muttland or muslimstan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:44:56 No.12868599 Report

Quoted By: >>12868623

>>12868589
at that rate the only issue is dosing. I imagine if you've produced some of your own or scored it from someone else, it's not going to be easy to titrate a good dose for yourself as it would be with pills. you're also divesting yourself of a good collaboration with a doctor, which is integral to managing amphetamines use. I doubt you'll find one that's willing to play ball and give advice about how to successfully abuse an illicit substance (which, technically, is exactly what you'd be doing)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:50:28 No.12868623 Report

Quoted By: >>12868645

>>12868599
Dosage is a good argument. How could collaborate with a doctor? I don't have ADHD. I just take it during exam crunch for a few weeks and then stop for a few months. Technically, I don't need it but it makes my life easier. I doubt a doctor would be convinced by that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 18:55:56 No.12868645 Report

Quoted By: >>12868657

>>12868623
frankly I would advise against using it like that. I've known a lot of people who have used that justification, but at the end of the day when you get accustomed to performing like superman in little spurts, it's hard to be able to walk away from that and depend on your own abilities going forward. the upregulation of your dopamine receptors is another thing to worry about. you stand to lose a lot more than you have to gain

if you're really so inclined, faking a diagnosis really isn't all that hard. retarded kinesiology majors and student athletes do it all the time. actual "tests" for ADHD can be hard to come by and the average doctor will be satisfied by just quizzing you about your symptoms and issues you've ran into in your personal/work life that may indicate ADHD

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 19:02:05 No.12868657 Report

Quoted By: >>12868695 >>12868749

>>12868645
What about legit ADHD patients who get this subscribed? How do they deal with constantly raised dopamine levels and other side effects?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 19:07:33 No.12868695 Report

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>>12868657
It doesn't get us high lol, usually makes me fall asleep so i don't bother taking it most of the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 19:17:49 No.12868749 Report

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>>12868657
well, just research how ADHD works. our problem is that our dopamine levels are erratic, and/or generally lower than that of others. that's why our brains are never satisfied with any particular task, it's constantly on the move and looking for a reason to release more.

ADHD meds don't make our brains "normal", but they allow it to mimic the functionality of a brain with a steady, healthy flow of dopamine.

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Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 21:40:58 No.12869389 Report

Quoted By: >>12869482 >>12869724

>>12859053
I used this shit during uni and then when doing my start up. At some point you'll also figure out you can jerk off for hours straight and you'll never get anything done. Using it will fry your natural drive and natural ability to feel good. Eventually the highs stop feeling good and you just tweak out, and then when you quit you can't naturally feel good. I was in a serious depression for 3 years after years of using it, and compared to other users my use was quite low (40mg xr a day max).
Highly recommend never touching it anons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 22:04:25 No.12869482 Report

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>>12869389
Unless Wellbutrin starts to work for me like it did a long time ago, I have no other choice. I'm barely functional. It drives me insane remembering how well Wellbutrin used to work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 22:51:04 No.12869724 Report

Quoted By: >>12870699

>>12869389
>doing my start up
Tell us more

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Mar 2021 22:57:41 No.12869768 Report

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>>12862673
That's almost always because the methodology was unsound.

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Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 02:47:41 No.12870699 Report

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>>12869724
Made video games. Ended up failing (which is fine, I prioritized my creative vision over business) but was a wild ride and am proud that I have some games out there that people are enjoying. Has taken 2-3 years to recover from it all, particularly the adderall use, but am just starting up my next game now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 03:38:27 No.12870837 Report

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>>12868139
Step 1. stop being a pussy and own your problems.
Step 2. Healthy diet, exercise, self impr0vement for ment4l health, normalfag shit.
Step 3: Try and find a way to be interested in what you're studying. This is more of a time association thing- since you're on adderall which releases dopamine, you'll eventually associate studying with pleasure. Do this and things will fall into place for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 16:53:38 No.12872920 Report

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Guys can someone recommend me an otc alternative to adderall and others?

I think I have undiagnosed adhd and I can only concentrate when I put white noise on. Motivation makes it easier too but i still wander.

I remember when I tried adderall I was so damn concentrated, i spent the whole day carving a pumpkin. I want that again or at least some of that.

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Name Tue 23 Mar 2021 22:10:40 No.12874192 Report

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>>12860163
Source?

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Anonymous Tue 23 Mar 2021 23:00:01 No.12874417 Report

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What constitutes a fidget? So what if he fidgets? Who doesn't fidget in school? The kid's in puberty. He gets a hard-on every 10 minutes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Mar 2021 09:26:04 No.12876062 Report

Quoted By: >>12876110

>>12859053
Wtf dude just take it. Sounds like you have some kind of serious anxiety disorder too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 24 Mar 2021 09:37:35 No.12876110 Report

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>>12876062
The heart rate and blood pressure stuff is stressing me out just thinking about it.

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