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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 14:34:10 2021 No.12841061 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12841835 >>12842758 >>12843755

A man who stands by his values. Nothing is more rarer in this world

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 17:51:57 No.12841835 Report

Quoted By: >>12842740 >>12842854

>>12841061
I think its more so that hardly anyone in todays world even has actual values worth fighting for.

Everything is so shallow and devoid of meaning, even the most powerful form of existence , our communication ability is filled with shallow "discourse".

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 20:41:33 No.12842740 Report

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>>12841835
Life. Meaning itself.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 20:43:36 No.12842758 Report

Quoted By: >>12842789

>>12841061
If your values contradict reality to a degenerative degree then your values probably suck. Your ethics should account for lower ethical system values

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 20:48:31 No.12842789 Report

Quoted By: >>12842812

>>12842758
Now, tell us EXACTLY what contradicts reality.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 20:52:16 No.12842812 Report

Quoted By: >>12842918 >>12842924

>>12842789
If you have a science theory that covers evolution, global warming with a causation narrative then it's better than a theory that only accounts for, say, evolution on one island. Anyways for ethics if your ethics system cannot account for ethical values and an order of ones below it then it's useless. It'll just assert other ethical choices are contradicting yours even tho they're actual ethical choices they're just foreign to your system.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:03:05 No.12842854 Report

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>>12841835
Every human has always struggled with meaning. This is not unique to the modern world. It is probably unique to be human.
What’s bizarre to me is when people think it was magically different in the past.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:17:28 No.12842918 Report

Quoted By: >>12842926

>>12842812
Yes, but you only have hypothesis in most cases.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:18:34 No.12842924 Report

Quoted By: >>12842932

>>12842812
Rules for everybody is better than rules for somebody specific?

That's kinda correct. But not all can obey same rules. Ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:18:48 No.12842926 Report

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>>12842918
Yeah you need a way to check universality of your foundation and structure. In a pragmatic way if you can account for all that people bring up yours is good but that's a sorry way to live lol

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:19:51 No.12842932 Report

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>>12842924
Can you give an example?

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:38:31 No.12843009 Report

Quoted By: >>12843023 >>12843035

>>12842932
Drugs.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:43:52 No.12843023 Report

Quoted By: >>12843035 >>12843036 >>12843043

>>12843009
That's derivative. If you assert man can only do that which he most wants to in the best way possible given the circumstances then you have a foundation. That's probably for all consciousness so we take into account physical degradations. Anyways anyone would do drugs if they're forced to or their life or a lot of people will. To some degree that's the same as them taking it because it's the best decision given the circumstances. It's not to be criticized but cataloged. There are clearly better choices and we can solve it by getting the realistic aspects of the choices and working in a framework that helps. If drugs help you cope then having a better coping framework (one that more natural to them as taking drugs was) then you can ethically account for them while pushing them forward.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:46:48 No.12843035 Report

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>>12843009
>>12843023
A lot of that was to say we can identify objective ethical progress and work towards universality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:47:16 No.12843036 Report

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>>12843023
And you just, like everybody else forget what drugs are. And that's what I meant.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:48:18 No.12843043 Report

Quoted By: >>12843055 >>12843070

>>12843023
Can you give me atleast some coordinates of better coping framework in universe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:48:23 No.12843044 Report

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>>12843036
Idk what you mean. I was working with addictive illegal substances but if you mean medical ones then can you expand on your example?

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:52:23 No.12843055 Report

Quoted By: >>12843087 >>12843096

>>12843043
All coping is pleasure-seeking behavior and therefore unethical.
If something releases dopamine, then it is unethical.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:56:33 No.12843070 Report

Quoted By: >>12843102

>>12843043
It's not what I study but yeah or let me try.

So dopamine is what makes drugs addictive (I won't talk about psychedelics). The thing which accounts for dopamine would be what is ethically more developed. In my logic which accounts for math I use a ?(x+y) (x+y) to account for the foundation of something. So I'd need to know how quantify dopamine in a somewhat realistic manner and that would be y I would assume then I'd probably get the x which is consciousness and that would be the operation I would use or that's how I would start. I can just say consciousness is awareness of environment and ability to interact with it and so time goes farther as well. I used to take a ton of drugs mostly psychedelic but some ice etc but it just is annoying to take because comedowns and it slows my ability to operate in the world for other projects. So practically it would be by growing consciousness and that takes care of the whole bit of it. You're not going to do something that doesn't work unless you're wanting it to not work for some reason.
I'm not sure if that qualifies but that's the steps I work out before I get into it.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 21:59:33 No.12843087 Report

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>>12843055
Recognition releases dopamine.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 22:00:34 No.12843092 Report

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We should make pleasure ethical. Not any. But some.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 22:01:35 No.12843096 Report

Quoted By: >>12843105

>>12843055
What is different behaviour than pleasure seeking?

Do you even feel?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 22:02:37 No.12843102 Report

Quoted By: >>12843120 >>12843143

>>12843070
Dopamine doesn't make drugs addictive. Dopamine makes your body functional.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 22:04:02 No.12843105 Report

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>>12843096
Pleasure doesn't dictate consciousness by definition because you need a consciousness to feel pleasure (any arguments against that I feel require more explanations like we're naturally reactive solely and pleasure brings out sustained consciousness which has holes).
As long as you grow consciousness it works

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 22:06:50 No.12843120 Report

Quoted By: >>12843141

>>12843102
I guess it does both doesn't it.

Let me amend it a bit though. For me consciousness development is all that's important for determining human action things. If we can measure some portions of consciousness development from simple things like learning to some acid trips we can have a math or science of consciousness development. That would require identifying a variable that can be used to measure it but the variable can't be material. It'd need a scale on universalness too then that math can be used to determine it.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 22:15:12 No.12843141 Report

Quoted By: >>12843156

>>12843120
Drugs are illegal because dopamine makes you think.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 22:15:45 No.12843143 Report

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>>12843102
Then functionality is unethical since it includes pleasure-seeking behavior.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 22:20:24 No.12843156 Report

Quoted By: >>12843290

>>12843141
If that's true and can be proven and thinking in dopamine fashion for some recreational period of time is proven to be good then it would justify ethical legalization. I think most ethical arguments are "wook at my big big eyes and my sad sad life, do what politician says is good for me". My favorite author, Jane Austen, had a field day with literature like that, sensibility novels.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 22:55:28 No.12843290 Report

Quoted By: >>12843310

>>12843156

Worst thing about illegality of drugs, is when somebody wants you to quit really fast. It's shock for whole metabolism then.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 22:59:23 No.12843310 Report

Quoted By: >>12843506

>>12843290
Buddy if you have a drug problem I'm not here to coddle you. I've smoked ice like 5-7 times. Maybe try and find some way to isolate then do ayahuasca or acid in Netherlands.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 23:56:38 No.12843506 Report

Quoted By: >>12843514

>>12843310
4-hydroxy tryptamines are my preference to non hydrolized

I've got experience with 4-HO-DMT 4-HO-MET ,,,

now I'm slowly mixing ethyl propyl into 4-HO-DET

Ayahuaska is good, but not so... I don''t ever want MAOI, it can lead to probleams... Only weak ones I preffer, like passiflora incarnata, not strong or chemical MAOI's...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Mar 2021 23:58:09 No.12843514 Report

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>>12843506
Have fun dude. I stopped doing all drugs a year ago but slowed down like I guess a decade ago. I don't get the point after a bit but for chemistry I'm sure it's fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:35:26 No.12843664 Report

Quoted By: >>12843748

What does any of this have to do with Science or Math?

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Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:54:24 No.12843748 Report

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>>12843664
It's math? Sorry, I'm dyslectic, I tought this is meth forum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 00:56:00 No.12843755 Report

Quoted By: >>12843791

>>12841061
No, it’s normal. It’s a rare news story because most people in the news can’t even enunciate a consistent value, let alone stand by it. Your TV notwithstanding, it is quite common for normal people to have values they live by.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Mar 2021 01:05:50 No.12843791 Report

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>>12843755
Where normal people live? I want to move there.

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