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Anonymous Thu 11 Mar 17:20:24 2021 No.12819697 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12819745 >>12819829 >>12820677 >>12821992 >>12822326 >>12822358 >>12822583 >>12825666 >>12826485

Can information theory solve hard problem of consciousness?

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Anonymous Thu 11 Mar 2021 17:30:05 No.12819745 Report

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>>12819697
probably

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Anonymous Thu 11 Mar 2021 17:54:34 No.12819829 Report

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>>12819697
I believe everything is conscious.

Physical form possesses information because it reacts. A simple form creates simple reactions. Consciousness is the information contained in that form.

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Anonymous Thu 11 Mar 2021 18:02:00 No.12819850 Report

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>>12819829
is everything is consciousness then consciousness sounds like a pretty meaningless word

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Anonymous Thu 11 Mar 2021 18:17:50 No.12819907 Report

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>>12819850

The idea that something can only be meaningful if it's limited and/or unique doesn't seem to be based in anything but ego.

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Anonymous Thu 11 Mar 2021 18:18:45 No.12819912 Report

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>>12819907
ok

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Anonymous Thu 11 Mar 2021 21:44:07 No.12820677 Report

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>>12819697
yes, when you go in the direction of game theory
mathematics can be used to effectively answer questions of contention

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!RTxchadZk6 Fri 12 Mar 2021 00:34:36 No.12821274 Report

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>>12819829
Based, I see you read Mind and Matter too

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Anonymous Fri 12 Mar 2021 05:49:24 No.12821992 Report

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>>12819697
The "problem of consciousness" is a self-own, just assemblies of atoms jerking themselves.

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Anonymous Fri 12 Mar 2021 08:13:49 No.12822326 Report

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>>12819697
No, the hard problem is hard. It is not like other problems, like information theory, which is tractable.

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Anonymous Fri 12 Mar 2021 08:28:05 No.12822358 Report

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>>12819697
Can you even tell me what constitutes a solution? If all you're looking for is a map from external state to internal experience, then yes

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Anonymous Fri 12 Mar 2021 08:42:00 No.12822385 Report

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>>12822358
>map
Where does the map come from? Is it matter? Why does matter follow it instead of a different map or no map?

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Anonymous Fri 12 Mar 2021 10:30:43 No.12822561 Report

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>>12821992
That assumes matter is primary, yet its your consciousness that is telling you that, therefore consciousness is primary

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Anonymous Fri 12 Mar 2021 10:45:11 No.12822583 Report

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>>12819697
I know this is a shitposting thread, but the "hard problem" is barely a problem at all. If you're a panpsychist or dualist there IS no hard problem obviously and many physicalists simply reject qualia and the hard problem as illusionary.

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Anonymous Fri 12 Mar 2021 23:13:23 No.12824753 Report

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>>12819829
Are you a panpsychist?

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Anonymous Sat 13 Mar 2021 03:55:50 No.12825607 Report

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>>12822583
No one is a hard pansychist. it's just one possible solution that is completely unfalsifiable. Dualists are irelevant in the modern day and illusionism is hardly common. It is more accurate to say that most people simply don't understand what the hard problem is and confuse it for behaviorism.

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Anonymous Sat 13 Mar 2021 04:20:31 No.12825666 Report

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>>12819697
No, IIT is pure bullshit https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1799

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Anonymous Sat 13 Mar 2021 04:36:50 No.12825703 Report

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>>12822583
>reject qualia and the hard problem as illusionary
What is being illuded?

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Anonymous Sat 13 Mar 2021 10:53:52 No.12826485 Report

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>>12819697
Schrodinger = based
everyone else = absolutely cringe

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