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Anonymous Mon 01 Mar 19:41:01 2021 No.12772605 View Reply Original Report

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Why is HCQ considered dangerous but mRNA vaccines aren't?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Mar 2021 19:41:34 No.12772610 Report

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legal standards

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Mar 2021 19:50:48 No.12772644 Report

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HCQ is not dangerous, it just useless against covid.

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Anonymous Mon 01 Mar 2021 21:50:53 No.12773086 Report

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>>12772605
Politics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Mar 2021 21:54:54 No.12773104 Report

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>>12772605
>unironically being this retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Mar 2021 21:59:06 No.12773119 Report

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>>12772644
the aquarium tablets are

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Mar 2021 21:59:38 No.12773120 Report

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>>12772644
Im getting really tired of fuckheads like you.
>based on available in vitro and some clinical studies, HCQ seems to be promising for mildly infected patients
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7808930/

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Anonymous Mon 01 Mar 2021 22:01:32 No.12773127 Report

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>>12772644
>google search shows at least 3 studies noticing mild efficacy.
Orange man is gone yet mutts have to continue lying to themselves it seems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Mar 2021 22:10:00 No.12773151 Report

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>>12772644
>HCQ is not dangerous

Then why did State Governors ban it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Mar 2021 22:46:02 No.12773292 Report

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>>12773151
Because 8 billion people is too many.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Mar 2021 22:59:05 No.12773338 Report

Quoted By: >>12773731 >>12774556 >>12777681

Are there still people unironically shilling HCQ? What an incredible waste of time and resources.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 01 Mar 2021 23:05:35 No.12773363 Report

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>>12773151
Because there was a danger that it might be effective.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 00:45:56 No.12773731 Report

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>>12773338
Ironic post? HCQ treatment is so much more time and resource efficient than mass vaccination

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 03:18:33 No.12774109 Report

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>>12772644
>HCQ is not dangerous, it just useless against covid.
This. It's a waste of time and resources.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 04:29:03 No.12774332 Report

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>>12773151
because some people actually need it, and if a bunch of inbred retards start snorting it there won't be any left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 05:21:45 No.12774467 Report

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>>12773120
>>based on [...] some clinical studies, HCQ seems to be promising for mildly infected patients
>some
>seems
>mildly infected
This means it may be useful in mild cases, but it's not confirmed. But I don't even need to break it down for you. The authors do that themselves. Let's read further.
>until the availability of conclusive clinical investigations to clarify its precise role (if any)
So I must ask, are you mentally impaired? Or did you just assume anons can't interpret text and wouldn't bother checking your sources?
Anyway, even if it turns out it is actually useful for mild cases, you should keep in mind that mildly infected people are not much of a concern. Let's see what this review tell us about more serious cases.
>However, whether it is effective especially when the lungs are distressfully inflamed to expel the SARS-CoV-2 virus due to its hyperactive immune system in ICU patients is clinically unproven yet
>The available clinical evidence seems lean, mixed, and insufficient to produce any conclusive clinical evidence for the effectiveness of HCQ in severely ill COVID-19 patients.
Is this the best you could find to defend your view point? Because it actually disproves your point. Do you fail to understand why, or do you have hidden motives to push for HCQ?
>>12773127
See above.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 05:24:18 No.12774472 Report

Quoted By: >>12774553 >>12775783 >>12777663 >>12777670 >>12777681

>>12773120
>>based on [...] some clinical studies, HCQ seems to be promising for mildly infected patients
>some
>seems
>mildly infected
This means it may be useful in mild cases, but it's not confirmed. But I don't even need to break it down for you. The authors do that themselves. Let's read further.
>until the availability of conclusive clinical investigations to clarify its precise role (if any)
So I must ask, are you mentally impaired? Or did you just assume anons can't interpret text and wouldn't bother checking your sources?
Anyway, even if it turns out it is actually useful for mild cases, you should keep in mind that mildly infected people are not much of a concern. Let's see what this review tell us about more serious cases.
>However, whether it is effective especially when the lungs are distressfully inflamed to expel the SARS-CoV-2 virus due to its hyperactive immune system in ICU patients is clinically unproven yet
>The available clinical evidence seems lean, mixed, and insufficient to produce any conclusive clinical evidence for the effectiveness of HCQ in severely ill COVID-19 patients
Is this the best you could find to defend your view point? Because it actually disproves your point. Do you fail to understand why, or do you have hidden motives to push for HCQ?
>>12773127
See above.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 05:41:13 No.12774501 Report

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>>12774332
>if a bunch of inbred retards start snorting it there won't be any left.

Seems unlikely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 05:59:57 No.12774538 Report

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>>12772644
Wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 06:02:48 No.12774545 Report

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>>12774332
It’s over the counter in most of the world
>>12773151
Trump derangement syndrome, I ‘m not kidding. Most doctors support it.
>>12772605
It’s not dangerous. We have 40 years of data on it and it’s over the counter in malaria countries

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Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 06:05:22 No.12774553 Report

Quoted By: >>12774560 >>12774578

>>12774472
Every doctor I have talked to has it in their bathroom incase they get covid,
>>12774472
Before you have study data you have clinical data, DOCTORS ALWAYS USE THIS. The clinical reports says it helps. The only time it does help is if you are already in the icu

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 06:06:23 No.12774556 Report

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>>12773338
It’s not being shilled, it’s a legitimate treatment, get out of your cnn info silo. I bet you don’t know Obama started the kids in cages

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 06:07:20 No.12774559 Report

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>>12772605
>Why is HCQ considered dangerous
Politics
Of course something is dangerous if you dose people with 10 times the amount already deemed as safe
Also because trump said it was efficacious there was pressure to prove him wrong
HCQ is too cheap to make money off when compared to remdesivir or whatever
Anyway eventually there was another paper released with reasonable doses which stated that while it isn't as toxic as previously stated but only had statistically insignificant effects on the amount of people getting hospitalised but at this point everyone thought that hcq was literally sodium cyanide
I may be missing something but that's the

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 06:07:24 No.12774560 Report

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>>12774553
*only time it doesn’t

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 06:18:31 No.12774578 Report

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>>12774553
>muh anecdotal evidence
Also, keep in mind most doctors are not medical researchers. They don't know much more than what they learned in school and don't necessarily understand how research works.
>Before you have study data you have clinical data
The studies analyzed clinical data, you dumbfuck.
>The clinical reports says it helps
Read the god damn paper you posted. The clinical reports are not enough to prove HCQ efficacy against covid.

People have been studying HCQ as a treatment for covid for almost a year and we still do not have evidence it works. Let it go. It doesn't work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 06:26:59 No.12774597 Report

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>>12774578
Except we do have evidence it works.
Why are you so passionate about something you clearly don’t understand

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 07:01:32 No.12774695 Report

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>>12774597
Why do you think we have? The most recent review on the subject concluded we don't. You posted the study here yourself. I'm not passionate about anything, I merely accepted the findings of the medical community. Why do you think I don't understand it? Did you read the study carefully?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 14:40:16 No.12775707 Report

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>>12774501
so you think the US had infinite stockpiles? kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 14:42:06 No.12775709 Report

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>>12772605

mRNA is active for only a short time and is not stable in the human body for a time longer than required to instruct the cell in building antibodies, also being RNA there is no risk of genetic contamination like you could have with a DNA medium.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 14:46:18 No.12775723 Report

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>>12772605
>HCQ
There are 3 kinds of medicine. Homeopathy, real medicine, and rna.
Real medicine just so happens to be very potent. there for you can always overdose.
Because if it wouldn't be potent it would be homeopathy.
RNA isnt dangerous, unless ofc it can somehow enter your cell and infect the replication system. Then ofc you can start to bleed everywhere, get scrambled bones, festering infections, liver failure, kidney failure, brain damage.

But dont worry they tested it at least at 100 niggers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 15:01:15 No.12775783 Report

Quoted By: >>12775803 >>12776285

>>12774472
>hidden motives to push for HCQ
HCQ is available for five cents a dose in generic form. I'm trying really hard to figure out what motive there would be for pushing HCQ, but I can't come up with one.

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Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 15:02:29 No.12775785 Report

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>>12772605
HCQ is sooooo 2020.
It's all about the Ivermectin now, man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 15:09:23 No.12775803 Report

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>>12775783
Culture war fodder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 17:33:21 No.12776279 Report

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>>12772605
People take mRNA vaccines in a controlled tested setting. The people taking HCQ are mainlining shit in their trailers that they got off some chink on Amazon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 17:34:38 No.12776285 Report

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>>12775783
But false hope is priceless

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Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 17:40:18 No.12776297 Report

Quoted By: >>12776309 >>12776453

>>12776285
meaning what? you think people are pushing HCQ for "false hope" purposes?

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Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 17:44:27 No.12776309 Report

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>>12776297
Yes? Since there's still no proof it helps against covid.

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Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 17:56:35 No.12776369 Report

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>>12773120
>>12773127
Based Raoult was right all along.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 18:03:38 No.12776399 Report

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patents go brr

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 18:03:57 No.12776402 Report

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>>12776309
there's actually quite a bit of proof which is easy to find, although if it proves to be hard for you I can give you some links
But aside from that, it's still flawed logic. For example nobody is shilling kiwis as a coronavirus treatment even though that would also give false hope. So what is it about HCQ that makes people grab onto it in particular?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 18:17:52 No.12776453 Report

Quoted By: >>12776556

>>12776297
Yeah Trump was pushing it because the placebo gave people hope. And then the backlash gave him something to blame. Just cynical politics.

But now it has become a meme. Like flat earth, there is no money in it, but it has taken on a life of its own

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 18:47:33 No.12776556 Report

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>>12776453
>placebo
https://c19study.com/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 19:27:17 No.12776758 Report

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>>12772605
Because most doctors are drooling retards who don't care about "boring nerd shit" like reading papers with a *critical* eye. As a result, they basically just relay whatever bullshit the establishment(government, pharmaceutical companies, etc...) is trying to push.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 19:59:03 No.12776899 Report

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>>12776402
>there's actually quite a bit of proof
There's not, you fucking savant. There are some successful clinical trials that are meangless indiviadually, and analyzing them all together has showed no evidence of HCQ efficacy. You have been showed peer reviewed evidence of this. I will not further reply to this point unless you post actual research that has not been refuted to support it.
>So what is it about HCQ that makes people grab onto it in particular?
It seemed a promising drug a year ago, so Trump and a bunch of other retards started to shill it without scientific evidence it works. Admitting they were wrong would be embarrassing, so they keep shilling it and you fell for it.

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Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 22:47:23 No.12777663 Report

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>>12774472
a simple pubmed search shows plenty of other studies that say it has efficacy, you fucking retarded monkey.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 22:48:34 No.12777670 Report

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>>12774472
>hidden motives for hcq
lmao WHAT? you leftist zealots are retarded and sick in the head. please neck yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 22:51:57 No.12777681 Report

Quoted By: >>12780404

>>12772644
>>12773338
>>12774472
>>12774695
>>12776899
Trump derangement syndrom is still alive and well in amerimutts it seems. who wants to bet it will still be around in 2030.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Mar 2021 23:06:22 No.12777772 Report

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>>12777670
Notice it was a question, not a statement. I simply fail to understand why someone would shill HCQ even when confronted with evidence it doesn't work against covid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 14:03:58 No.12780404 Report

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>>12777681
They're going to be seething long after he dies from old age.

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