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Anonymous Fri 05 Feb 17:24:23 2021 No.12670620 View Reply Original Report

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Why is academia trying so hard to filter people from access to information?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Feb 2021 17:29:01 No.12670637 Report

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>>12670620
The filter makes money

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Feb 2021 17:35:06 No.12670665 Report

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>>12670620
>More people = More cash
>more graduates = lower university image as quality
>Be smart guy
>Create a subject for smart people
>Profit
>Many enter = much cash
>Many fail = good image

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Feb 2021 20:07:26 No.12671249 Report

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Wait I thought this book was very readable, although I took it for a summer course so we didn’t cover a lot of it. Any sections in particular you thought were just trying to filter people?

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Anonymous Fri 05 Feb 2021 20:10:30 No.12671261 Report

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I’d also like to point out that online reviews noted the second edition was dumbed down

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Feb 2021 20:15:57 No.12671276 Report

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>>12670620
Your own intelligence and drive is the filter. Don't blame academia that shit some teenager in France figured out 200 years ago can't fit into your dense skull.

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Anonymous Fri 05 Feb 2021 20:18:33 No.12671285 Report

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>>12671261
Why does explaining something in a more layman manner = its being dumbed down?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Feb 2021 20:31:50 No.12671327 Report

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>>12671285
I guess the reviewer made that equivalence, I don’t know the particulars. If what you say is true then yeah OP doesn’t have enough drive and I guess he’s not too bright either for using this textbook as an example. I do think there is a type of filtering but I assumed such occurrences don’t exist in undergraduate mathematics textbooks.

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Anonymous Fri 05 Feb 2021 20:34:06 No.12671334 Report

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>>12671327
Maybe he was referring to filtering like double speak or the type where you start redefining things to fit your agenda?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 00:03:28 No.12672074 Report

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>>12670620

Op here, this thread is interesting. Specifically, this might be the only board that immediately assumes a relevant pic.

Thats not speed. Nor is it wisdom.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 01:40:28 No.12672378 Report

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>>12670620
Wait until you get to real analysis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 02:24:28 No.12672494 Report

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>>12670620
imagine getting filtered by fucking Artin of all texts

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 04:23:36 No.12672777 Report

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>>12670620
The only filter here is you. Nobody is 'concealing' information from you. You're just a brainlet who can't work with abstract notions such as sets, algebras on these sets, and morphisms between these algebras. Deal with it.
These books are very precise. They're the exact opposite of the vague drivel philosophers write for example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 04:25:27 No.12672780 Report

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>>12670620
>Why is academia trying so hard to filter people from access to information?
They're not. You posted a textbook so i assume you're talking about textbook costs.
This is why hypercapitalism does. It gouges every bit of money it can from a COOOOOOONsumer. That's why it costs ameritards hundreds of dollars for a <$10 vial of insulin. Which is literally billions of dollars a year in profit for pharmcompanies given that amerifats have 100% rates of diabetes.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 04:25:50 No.12672781 Report

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>>12670620
It’s not, libgen etc are still up. Plus academics themselves have uploaded vast amounts of information online, to use for free. Springer and such publishers are not the academia.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 04:27:00 No.12672782 Report

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>>12672781
See Tim towers’ rant on springer for instance.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 04:28:58 No.12672785 Report

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>>12672780
>you're talking about textbook costs
no, he's talking about the contents. Most normies seethe because they can't think of math beyond a tool for physical applications. So when it comes to Artin, who works exclusively with sets in a very rigorous way, the normies think they're somehow getting 'filtered' by something they perceive as vague, whereas it's just not connected to some physical example you can come up with.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 05:05:33 No.12672848 Report

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>>12672777
based lucky trips
>>12672785
But Artin is a comfy intro to algebra. It doesn't get any easier than this.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 05:07:52 No.12672859 Report

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>>12672848
The only boring part of Artin is the first chapter. Idk but I always despised manual computations kek. D&F is slightly easier to read for some though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 05:08:57 No.12672861 Report

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They want to be gate keepers to the middle class, after receiving trillions of dollars over the past 20 years they still have as much teaching capacity as they did in the early 2000s.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 08:05:57 No.12673163 Report

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>>12670620
I actually got some relevant answers existing outside of the context of a picture I took from another thread regarding god tier textbooks.

When you are presented an idea, with precedents clearly in favor of a ">pic related" tag for pictures included, the logical assumption is that the person posted a random picture related to math so thag the post is not marked as irrelevant or off topic.

WE DID IT 4CHAN!!! WE SHOWED THE WORLD THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST 3 PEOPLE WITH A RESPECTABLE IQ ON THIS BOARD!!!

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 08:08:47 No.12673169 Report

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>>12672785
Im not talking about the contents. There are groups orchestrating who gets graduate positions in elite universities. Eric Weinstein talks about it.

I saw it with my own eyes. Except there are resources, theyvare just being squanderes for networking purposes while people that arent submissive are filtered out and silenced because they fear that their own interests will be detracted from.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 08:10:59 No.12673170 Report

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>>12670620
it's mainly publishers. academics want to be in prestigious journals, but otherwise want their research to be openly accessible

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 08:49:13 No.12673240 Report

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>>12672780

> Emil Artin will do it for free

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 16:57:02 No.12674194 Report

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>>12673169
>There are groups orchestrating who gets graduate positions in elite universities.
Welcome to the real world, kiddo. Nepotism is a thing and always will be. The academia is not exempt from that.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 18:39:58 No.12674516 Report

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science at a higher level requires a lot prerequisite knowledge that most people don't have, if you disagree go ahead and explain vector calculus to someone that doesn't know what a limit or a vector is

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 19:33:42 No.12674695 Report

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>>12674516
>Go ahead and explain vector calculus to someone that doesn't know what a limit or a vector is
easy. Divergence tells you about the flow of things and the sources. Curl tells you how curled the flow is (twisty). The Laplacian makes waves. Boom.

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Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 19:50:17 No.12674752 Report

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>>12674194
Id be ok with it if they didnt hoard and steal research.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Feb 2021 21:42:06 No.12675124 Report

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>>12670620
People with proper internet access can make shitload of money on stock exchange using algebra, and trade out old leaders.

Also there's time travel in the game.

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