>>12655373dude, mentioning pythagoras is not productive. philosophags (if they read their books, though most don’t) will point out that pythagorean was a “mystic” and had a lot of numerology type crap and he was very into the math-music connection with all that associated bs. never mention pythagoras when trying to argue that science and math are cold hard facts, since pythagoras was basically the original math-sci newage hippie