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I want to learn microprocessors

Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 11:11:16 2021 No.12608977 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12609182 >>12609242 >>12609253 >>12609297 >>12609325 >>12609461 >>12610314

From where to learn about x86 microprocessors family, their architecture, programming, etc. Can you guys suggest some resources.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 13:15:30 No.12609182 Report

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>>12608977
Why don't you start with something simpler like the 6502 and build from there? https://youtu.be/LnzuMJLZRdU

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 13:41:57 No.12609242 Report

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>>12608977
Why do you want to work on x86 processors? They are horrible to work with. Instead you should work on avr chips if you want the boomer feel.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 13:46:40 No.12609253 Report

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>>12608977
>I want to learn microprocessors
Why exactly?
Do you want to do small hardware things run by microprocessors? Then just pick up something like raspi or arduino mini depending on your needs.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 13:48:17 No.12609256 Report

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>>12609253
I’d recommend not getting an arduino. Using the bloated libraries doesn’t teach you much. Instead get something else that won’t handhold you as much so you can flip bits yourself and read documentation

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 13:49:53 No.12609257 Report

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>>12609256
Forgot to add that if you want to use the raspi instead of using bloated libraries use system calls to control the hardware so you Atleast learn something

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 14:03:54 No.12609283 Report

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Raspberry Pi today released a Pico Pi for £3.60, learn the latest and cheapest. Forget the ancient CPU from the mid 70s and get with the 20s.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 14:13:15 No.12609297 Report

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>>12608977
The Motorola 68HC11 is a relevant piece of hardware.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 14:23:35 No.12609315 Report

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>>12609283
>Pico Pi for £3.60
That's neato. I should pick one up.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 14:28:28 No.12609325 Report

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>>12608977
Read their specifications and manuals.
Common micro processors are well documented.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 14:32:00 No.12609337 Report

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>>12609283
So you instead suggest learning ancient architecture from early 80's? If you weren't just a retard and actually believed in your own argument, you'd suggest RISC-V

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 15:17:18 No.12609451 Report

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>>12609283
4€ is an Amazing price

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 15:22:30 No.12609461 Report

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>>12608977
Here’s a tip: /diy/ will be a much better place to ask this question.
I am not sure why you want to learn x86 (I would suggest arm, avr, or pic) but like another anon said microprocessors have a lot of documentation, and part of learning about microps is learning how to read their manuals.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 19:34:50 No.12610222 Report

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>>12609242
Where does this myth come from that x86 is horrible. Especially when you then suggest avr as a better arch. x86 is not bad to program, x86 is nice to program, far better than fucking avr trash. x86 encoding is a disaster, but you do not see that, that is a problem for the assembler, not you.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 19:55:27 No.12610303 Report

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>>12609256
terrible advice. you can look up the amtel data sheets and completely bypass arduino libraries if you need to. ultimately an arduino is a conveniently mounted microcontroller wired up with a USB port to make loading programs easy.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 19:59:28 No.12610314 Report

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>>12608977
computationstructures.org

and the companion MIT 6.004 lectures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P-LGEJS3A8&list=PLDSlqjcPpoL64CJdF0Qee5oWqGS6we_Yu

thank me later

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 23:49:57 No.12611252 Report

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>>12609253
I have a college course where they are teaching about the basic microprocessors

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Anonymous Fri 22 Jan 2021 00:29:54 No.12611406 Report

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>>12610303
Anon there are plenty of these exist before arduino. Basically every chip has a dev board and many are in the same or better form factor then an arduino only reason people use the arduino is for the bloated libraries.(around same cost too) What happens when a beginner wants to program their arduino they type “how to make arduino do...” they will be given a library and they just import library and boom it’s done. You learn literally nothing. If you force them to bitflip they will learn. Technically if you are a super beginner and never programmed ever before in your life then technically you will learn some basic scripting skills.

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