>>12592908I never said anything about any "Dark Ages". For North Europeans to have been in a dark age, they'd have to be advanced before. They were always uncivilized until contact with Romans, and more precisely, until the fall of Rome. When the church took part in educated N. Europeans, it increased the advancement of civilization in that region. But they were still lagging compared to others, until centuries later (I'd say 15th century) when N. Europeans started to surpass in science.
>many roman creations and ideas were preserved and improved upon during the dark ages.Romans did absolutely no science. Whatever natural philosophy was present in Greece was not absent in Rome. The mathematical advancement was quite limited.
Romans did do engineering however. North European Christians did do science, and it was thanks to Greeks, not Romans. The Muslims did so as well but it didn't go as far as North Europeans as the former failed to secularize in philosophy. Europeans shifting to empiricism was crucial for the scientific revolution. Though some Muslims (both European and others) did do a version of the scientific method, you needed to have empiricism imprinted on a culture for it to be the general way people approach the questions relating to the natural world. There was just too much attempt at explaning the natural world just by thought experiments and attempts at logic which are good for science but not enough to do it.
Also though North Europeans are what I'm talking about, it's a little tricky to ignore people like Andalusians (who were European and Muslim) and Italians. Both of whom did science as well. But this thread is about people who haven't done any science at all.
North Europeans are a good analogue for black Africans as they were practically uncivilized until contact with Rome. Subsaharans had contact with other civilizations but it was limited in specific regions. It wasn't until 1800s when every single black place had contact with higher civs.
