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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 05:01:23 2021 No.12587076 View Reply Original Report

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What exactly is an acid? We're told a substance that can donate protons is an acid, but really, we have two things, the substance itself and the protons, which of these is the actual acid? If I have a solution that says it's acidic and I remove all the protons will it still be acidic and its solute acid? How can blood CO2 be used to measure acidity when it has no protons to donate?

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 05:06:00 No.12587083 Report

Quoted By: >>12587096

>>12587076
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicarbonate_buffer_system

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 05:12:44 No.12587096 Report

Quoted By: >>12587126 >>12587175

>>12587083
>doesn't answer the fucking question

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 05:13:44 No.12587100 Report

Quoted By: >>12587112

Not sure if legitimate retarded or simply an average sophomore undergrad

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 05:19:08 No.12587112 Report

Quoted By: >>12587175

>>12587100
God forbid people who don't know stuff figure they want to know stuff so they fucking ask about it you fucking midwit.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 05:21:04 No.12587118 Report

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I thought acids had to do with positive and negative charge on the atoms? Like when it yoinks on hydrogen atoms it's basic and when it has hydrogen atoms hanging out and being yoinkable it's an acid.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 05:23:16 No.12587126 Report

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>>12587096
you're functionally illiterate.
equilibrium between water, CO2, carbonate and bicarbonate in the blood is the focus of the article.
pCO2 in the blood is specifically mentioned.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 05:47:03 No.12587163 Report

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>>12587126
Does that look like what I fucking asked dumbass? Learn to fucking read.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 05:53:58 No.12587175 Report

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>>12587076
>>12587096
>>12587112
>>12587163
Well that escalated quickly.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 06:59:05 No.12587313 Report

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An acid is a fucking thing that does the fucking thing. You get it? Is that good enough for you?

An acid is a substance that donates protons to a base. Strong acids dissociate almost completely while weak acids can vary in their disscoiciation. Keep in mind acids donate protons to other substances; i.e. to bases, water can act as a base in this sense. So in reality protons aren't really present but they come in the form of
hydronium ions.
Acid concentration is determined by working out the concentration of hydronium.

>How can blood CO2 be used to measure acidity when it has no protons to donate?
Water and CO2 react to form carbonic acid and bob's your uncle.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 07:30:01 No.12587382 Report

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>>12587076
If you donate protons, means you're consuming electrons for stability...

When something tries to donate deuterium proton to deuterium proton, and there's spark inside, cold fusion happens.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 08:19:15 No.12587516 Report

Quoted By: >>12587927 >>12591685 >>12592699

>>12587076
Lysergic Acid Diamide is the acid...

It's by the way, substance, which emmits photons when touched...
It's legend...

Only few people can see personally. It means it's electron sctructure in crystal scatters to photons on soubtle pressure...

Like you juice and orange into juice just with pressing something...

Scattering electrons to photons by pure touch...

It has also different implications...
But I'll rather keep for myself until we meet in a lab and be ready to do that.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 08:22:47 No.12587527 Report

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>>12587076
Benzene ring without one double bound...

Bouncy energy...

Closed circuit with no overloading or going to one direction, floating anything...

Stable benzene ring with no double bonds, that's and ACID.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 08:30:53 No.12587545 Report

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>>12587076
you can remove the protons from the substance itself
it's called "neutralization" and the substance becomes "salt" (or some kind)
protonate it back and it becomes acid again

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 12:38:09 No.12587927 Report

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>>12587516
Do you eat the orange afterwards?

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 12:55:46 No.12587959 Report

Quoted By: >>12588463

Try pouring a mixture of hydrochloric, sulfuric, and nitric acid over your hand. Then you will know what is an acid.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 13:05:22 No.12587980 Report

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>>12587076
>What exactly is an acid?
Acids are the sour ones. Bases are the soapy ones.
Other definitions are shit.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 15:19:30 No.12588298 Report

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To be an acid means you must be in a constant state of quantum reflux. When a proton encounters a Lewis base, the electrons jump from LUMO to the HOMO orbitals and excite a photon. The photon is what we perceive with our eyes.

Try this: take a pH meter and stick it in a beaker full of Bronsted base. Then add 0.54 M solution of sodium thiosulfate (86 mL) dropwise with stirring. As soon as hydrogen evolution ceases, dump the beaker into the aqueous waste container and clean up for the day.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 15:28:35 No.12588314 Report

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>>12587076
see your thread for instance
is it based? no!
so it's an acid

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 16:43:36 No.12588463 Report

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>>12587959
What about lye, is that an acid too? It also dissolved my hands.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 17:37:35 No.12588585 Report

Quoted By: >>12589106 >>12592656

I have a neighbor in the apartment above mine.
I smoke "Marlboro".
My neighbor is a master in marine biology.
If i smoke a cigarette at the window, my neighbor throws a spray that contains an acidic sensation next i feel dizzy.
Could any biology student say what it is?

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 18:18:49 No.12588743 Report

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>>12587927
No, I keep peel for a cookie.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 18:20:07 No.12588749 Report

Quoted By: >>12588752

The fact, that chemical in ionized liquid have H+ ion there and negative anion means it's acid.

Otherwise there is base and that is positive cathion and negative OH ion...

I wouldn't call OH or H anions or kations, because they're just water.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 18:21:09 No.12588752 Report

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>>12588749
If balanced water, if not, ions, by spark OH can flip into H2O2

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 18:36:11 No.12588811 Report

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>>12587076
So many brainlets itt.

There are multiple definitions of an acid and base. The one I think you were currently curious about is the lewis acid/base. This is where an acid is an electron pair acceptor while a base is an electron pair donor.

Blood CO2 can be used to measure the acid concentration as when it dissolved into blood it forms carbonic acid. This is why ocean acidification is a really big problem with rising atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 18:39:55 No.12588819 Report

Quoted By: >>12589204

>>12587076
>Ctrl+F
>Lewis: 2 results
>Bronsted-Lowry: 1 result
>Arrhenius: 0 results
/sci/ is shit

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 18:43:25 No.12588827 Report

Quoted By: >>12588857 >>12588867

>>12588811
>calling someone a brainlet for not understanding elementary general chemistry
Hey femanon, hows studying for the MCAT going? Let me know when you decide to do some real chemistry

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 18:54:56 No.12588857 Report

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>>12588827
>Thread with 26 replies none of which mention electron donor/acceptors beyond someone thinking that it magically makes light appear because it's an acid base reaction
>Thinking that not understanding

I'm glad you just finished your pchem series and are trying to flex an entirely irrelevant equation to the OP's question. See, I can do it too!

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 18:57:28 No.12588867 Report

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>>12588827 #
>Thread with 26 replies none of which mention electron donor/acceptors beyond someone thinking that it magically makes light appear just because it's an acid base reaction transferring electrons from a lumo to a homo
>Thinking that not understanding basic concepts doesn't make someone a brainlet

I'm glad you just finished your pchem series and are trying to flex an entirely irrelevant equation to the OP's question. See, I can do it too!

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 19:06:26 No.12588895 Report

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>>12587076
>If I have a solution that says it's acidic and I remove all the protons will it still be acidic and its solute acid?
no it will be a base
>How can blood CO2 be used to measure acidity when it has no protons to donate?
reaction between dissolved CO2 and H2O creates bicarbonic acid which dissolved to bicarbonate

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 19:19:54 No.12588935 Report

Quoted By: >>12588937 >>12588983

>>12588867
As if the number of replies on this thread or the fact that it doesn't mention pchem is at all relevant to the fact that this is an absolutely meaningless and trivial concept. And tell me, why are OP and other people in this thread brainlets for not understanding menial topics outside their field?
>there are multiple definitions of an acid and base
>brainlet explanation of lewis acids and bases
WOW! How profound! How many MCAT Practice books did you have to read to find that out? And your response is only a testament to the fact that you don't actually understand chemistry or science at all beyond the surface level. You only exist to regurgitate useless information without actually understanding a word of it, like a medfag. By the way, how long until you hear back from your first med school, anon?

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 19:21:11 No.12588937 Report

Quoted By: >>12588948 >>12589029

>>12588935
You sound like a fag

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 19:24:06 No.12588948 Report

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>>12588937
so

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 19:27:58 No.12588971 Report

Quoted By: >>12589029

Umm guys, most of the replies were jokes. The two autistic fags arguing are the cherry on top.

I wonder what became of OP

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 19:30:28 No.12588983 Report

Quoted By: >>12589029

>>12588935
The OP asked a question that has a simple answer. No one seemed capable of giving it. Even you seem to lack the capacity to understand other people's cognition to the point of dysfunction. It's not bad to ask a question, it's bad when no one can answer that simple question about how an acid can exist without protons. Although I take it the pchem comment struck a nerve, need to do a retake? I'd reccomend taking some more math classes before trying again. ODE and linear algebra really make it much easier.

I also agree that you sound like a fag

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 19:44:16 No.12589029 Report

Quoted By: >>12589044 >>12589068 >>12589618

>>12588983
>>12588937
Samefag
As >>12588971 mentioned, most of the replies were jokes. This may not have been immediately obvious to me because I lack the capacity to understand other people's cognition to the point of dysfunction. I simply figured that most of the people here gave bad responses because the subject matter was outside of their field (since you clearly haven't been here long, this board is MOSTLY coping physics majors and math schizos.) You immediately jumped to the conclusion that everyone here is stupid besides you. This would normally be a /sci/ thing to do, save for your medfag explanation to OP's question. Speaking of the devil...
>you seem to lack the capacity to understand other people's cognition to the point of dysfunction
>I'm glad you just finished your pchem series and are trying to flex an entirely irrelevant equation to the OP's question
>Although I take it the pchem comment struck a nerve, need to do a retake?
You can't seem to keep consistent with what you are saying, which is much more indicative of my medfag comments striking a nerve. You've clearly already taken introductory pchem courses, so I'd venture to say that you are either a fourth year chemistry premed student, first year med student, or first year grad student in some shitty biochemistry program. I'd guess the former, so how much have you spent on MCAT prep courses over your summer and winter breaks?

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 19:49:01 No.12589044 Report

Quoted By: >>12589052

>>12589029
You sound like a fag

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 19:51:13 No.12589052 Report

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>>12589044
so

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 19:55:59 No.12589068 Report

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>>12589029
Dude just take the L

It's iteratively insulting someone. As in each time you insinuate something worse honing in specifically on an insecurity. One that you clearly seem to have with regards to your intellectual capacity. I mean it's understandable, but still, you should try to relax.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 20:07:30 No.12589106 Report

Quoted By: >>12589152

>>12588585
I think he's throwing urine at you, anon.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 20:22:07 No.12589152 Report

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>>12589106
urine makes you dizzy?

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 20:38:56 No.12589204 Report

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>>12588819
iirc B-L and arrh. are the same for acids, and the distinction between their bases is retarded
Most people have no context to understand LA's either. Like if you told them about boranes or Li-coordination in organic synthesis, they wouldn't get why Na and C aren't lewis acids too

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 20:57:30 No.12589302 Report

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>>12587076
The protons always bond to something else, they don't float freely. Whatever accepts the proton becomes the acid and whatever gave it up becomes the base.
Acids and bases are conjugate pairs, and they are in dynamic equilibrium with each other, meaning they are constantly gaining and losing protons in a solution.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Jan 2021 21:58:43 No.12589618 Report

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>>12589029
What a colossal autist

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 03:47:16 No.12591412 Report

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Unrelated note:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_effect

So many control theory concept in our body man

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 05:56:06 No.12591667 Report

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What is a car? We're told it's an engine on wheels but is it the engine or wheels

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 06:08:23 No.12591685 Report

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>>12587516
i once ate this poem i wrote on, the colours smelt so strange that it was like i heard the sound of burnt toast waving a happy warning to my tomoatos.
/didyouhaveastroke?

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 14:45:54 No.12592656 Report

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>>12588585
H-F It is. He throws something that makes my teeth dissolve.

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Anonymous Sun 17 Jan 2021 15:05:08 No.12592699 Report

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>>12587516
>"psychonaut" motherfucker can't even spell diethylamide right
All of us junkie chads are laughing at you

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