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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 15:01:36 2021 No.12572541 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12572802 >>12573948 >>12575162 >>12576967 >>12577107 >>12577154 >>12577243 >>12580643 >>12581569 >>12581578

> Deep male voices evolved to intimidate men, not attract women

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/apr/27/deep-male-voices-evolved-to-intimidate-men-not-attract-women

Ok then how and why deep and low voice seems for us intimidating?

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 15:04:25 No.12572546 Report

Quoted By: >>12572562 >>12572756

why do women find them so sexy?

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 15:17:04 No.12572562 Report

Quoted By: >>12572607 >>12572661

>>12572546
>“Men who have higher testosterone and lower cortisol have a stronger immune response,” said Puts. With the new research revealing that these hormones are also linked to the depth of a man’s voice, Puts believes that a low pitch could indicate to women that a man is in fine fettle. “It may indicate their possession of a healthy immune system which would provide genes for producing a healthy immune system to their offspring,”

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 15:21:14 No.12572570 Report

Quoted By: >>12573948

>intimidate men
>attract women
Of course the virgins think these are mutually exclusive.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 15:42:49 No.12572607 Report

Quoted By: >>12577142

>>12572562
> health
Goddamn
> likes tall men
Height indicates health
>likes low body fat
Indicates health
>is funny
Indicates health.
The worst part is nothing is ever proven even going by soft science lax standards. Its literally an Aristotelian tale i.e humor imbalance causes disease i.e the eyes emit a substance that surrounds objects and returns to the eye with information i.e thinking is done it the heart i.e the brain just cools down the body

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 15:50:43 No.12572625 Report

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Assymetrical

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 16:03:15 No.12572661 Report

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>>12572562

the wording is very missleading
high test is linked to a WORSE immune system, a "stronger immune response" is not a good thing

the higher your test the more likely you will suffer from acne for example

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 16:20:39 No.12572702 Report

Quoted By: >>12572800 >>12573685

Symmetrical face

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 16:21:46 No.12572706 Report

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Symmetristas BTFO

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 16:44:45 No.12572756 Report

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>>12572546
Obviously they evolved to seek out a mate who could intimidate threats and rivals

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 16:56:24 No.12572792 Report

Quoted By: >>12572802

initial question still not answered...

t. OP

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 16:58:21 No.12572800 Report

Quoted By: >>12573044 >>12573959

>>12572702
Perfectly symmetrical faces look weird because of the lighting, not because of the symmetry.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 16:58:48 No.12572802 Report

Quoted By: >>12572838 >>12574232

>>12572541
>>12572792
Evolutionary psychology is psuedoscience.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 17:09:30 No.12572838 Report

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>>12572802
ok

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 18:16:39 No.12573044 Report

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>>12572800
I debunked the beauty=Symmetry meme with examples and counter examples.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:08:31 No.12573685 Report

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>>12572702
Symmetry is about top to bottom, not just side to side

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:31:44 No.12573753 Report

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>>12572661
the point is that only the healthiest men (genetically) are able to sustain the hit testosterone produces on the immune system

i think it's mostly true, but IHH has not necessarily held up

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:19:02 No.12573948 Report

Quoted By: >>12573976

>>12572541
Men usually talk in a babyish way with women they're attracted to. But this is all evopsych bullshit, dubious application of purpose and reason to a complicated thing that has no identifiable purposes or reasons in itself. You make observations about human behaviour at the abstract and surface-level that you see it, not make pseudoscientific speculations about evolution and then claim we do something because we evolved to do it. I actually think 'evolved to do it' is more important than most people think, deluded by humanism and the idea that humans are adaptable blanks, but evopsych is still retarded and backwards.

>>12572570
Also this. Violence too.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:22:04 No.12573959 Report

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>>12572800
>>12573044
absolute symmetry is kinda irrelevant and not even a thing in material products until recently. look at old artefacts, they were more than capable of good symmetry if not near perfect, yet outside of geometric patterns they don't seem to give a shit about it at all. very different today.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:26:55 No.12573976 Report

Quoted By: >>12573985 >>12574095

>>12573948
If evopsych is bullshit, then how you can explain emerging of these things?

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:30:21 No.12573985 Report

Quoted By: >>12574116 >>12574422

>>12573976
You mean the correlation between size and depth of voice? Hmm, I wonder what the connection could be.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:57:29 No.12574095 Report

Quoted By: >>12574116

>>12573976
evopsych is bullshit not because its premise is bullshit, but because there's usually no way to evaluate whether a given evopsych claim is true or not, and the claims tend to be very generous. It's like doing cosmology without a telescope.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 23:01:37 No.12574116 Report

Quoted By: >>12574121 >>12576963

>>12573985
>>12574095
maybe evolution is also bullshit, and god created all beings with exact settings?

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 23:03:14 No.12574121 Report

Quoted By: >>12574125

>>12574116
seems unlikely

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 23:04:06 No.12574125 Report

Quoted By: >>12574169

>>12574121
but there's usually no way to evaluate this right?

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 23:16:18 No.12574169 Report

Quoted By: >>12574191 >>12576975

>>12574125
considering that evolution has a sound mathematical model, that evidence of it can be found both in the natural world and the laboratory, and that its application has reliable predictive power, you'd have to reject the philosophy of science pretty strongly in order to reject evolution.

the reason why evopsych is different is that it has much stronger and difficult to verify claims.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 23:22:49 No.12574191 Report

Quoted By: >>12574370 >>12574422

>>12574169
ok thanks, you have a point, but what about my inital question?

I can guess that deep and low voices kinda resemble predator sounds and this why it can feel intimidating?

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Anonymous Tue 12 Jan 2021 23:33:25 No.12574232 Report

Quoted By: >>12576944

>>12572802
Evolutionary psychology offers tons of testable hypothesis you dumb dumb.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 00:03:46 No.12574370 Report

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>>12574191
Bigger men will have deeper voices all else being equal, so there may be an association made between voice and size (size being obviously directly intimidating). whether that's just an effect of the typical human psychology (associating correlations) or specifically evolutionarily coded for (fear of predators or something) I couldn't say. You'd have to do control studies on strange individuals or infants, probably.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 00:15:25 No.12574422 Report

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>>12573985
what he said >>12574191, you're still using rational, statistical, experience-based reasoning about something to supposedly support a fuzzy wetware tendency to correlate voice with size AND size with strength without that wetware having pre-provided evidence

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 03:45:30 No.12575162 Report

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>>12572541
>Be male
>Be scared of own voice range eminating from other men's mouths
>tfw autohomophonohpobic

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 17:22:14 No.12576944 Report

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>>12574232
No it doesn't.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 17:25:55 No.12576963 Report

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>>12574116
Macro evolution cannot be proven. Natural selection yes, never macro evolution.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 17:26:56 No.12576967 Report

Quoted By: >>12576978

>>12572541
Well, then evolution failed I guess. Because I don't find deep voices intimidating. In fact, I find them endearing and preferable.

Light voice males creep me out, though. Makes them sound sketchy, and like you should keep an eye on them in case they knick your wallet.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 17:28:30 No.12576975 Report

Quoted By: >>12578303 >>12578386 >>12580344

>>12574169
Liar, there is no evidence in a lab or in nature. You cannot observe a species transform into another. It would be trivial to prove if you had a million years to wait, just like some physics theories could be proven if only you had a year-light long particle accelerator. Sorry sweaty, there are material limits to our experiments and observations.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 17:29:31 No.12576978 Report

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>>12576967
Creepy is not the same as scary and you know it.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 17:35:04 No.12577000 Report

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>>12576978
Yes it is. And if we're going to commit logic chopping fallacies, then intimidating is neither the same as scary nor creepy.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 18:00:58 No.12577107 Report

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>>12572541
Okay but then why do other men having deep voices turn me on instead of intimidate me?

Checkmate atheists

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 18:12:44 No.12577142 Report

Quoted By: >>12577161

>>12572607
evolutionary psychology is pure, rarely falsifiable guesswork

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 18:18:57 No.12577154 Report

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>>12572541
>women evolved to be attracted to men who could intimidate other men

wow! it's almost like being retarded is a free resource

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 18:21:28 No.12577161 Report

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>>12577142
But it makes for great book selling

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 18:38:28 No.12577243 Report

Quoted By: >>12577258

>>12572541
Dont gorillas confirmed we always had deep voices?

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 18:40:25 No.12577258 Report

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>>12577243
We are related to chimps more

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 20:38:14 No.12577788 Report

Quoted By: >>12577831 >>12578382 >>12581362

>>12573685

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 20:46:19 No.12577831 Report

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>>12577788
kek

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 22:19:14 No.12578303 Report

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>>12576975
(You) for effort

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 22:40:34 No.12578382 Report

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>>12577788
ok I feel it being very intimidating

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 22:41:38 No.12578386 Report

Quoted By: >>12578397 >>12578509 >>12581367

>>12576975
>sweaty
What did he mean by this?

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 22:44:59 No.12578397 Report

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>>12578386
obviously it's a freudian slip
;

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 22:52:29 No.12578427 Report

Quoted By: >>12580313

>>12576963
On the other hand macroevolution as part of evolution allow us to make prediction about the discovery of future fossils. These predictions have been true until now. For example we can predict that if we find a fossil it will likely fall somewhere among the remains we have already seen. If we find it's DNA then it will likely possess DNA that are consistent with a common ancestry. So it is far etched to label macroevolution pseudoscience.

Also, the fact that it mathematically comes necessarily if we accept natural selection means that to refute macroevolution you need to either refute microevolution or maths. Well you can try but good luck.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Jan 2021 23:12:15 No.12578509 Report

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>>12578386
Lurk for 2 years before posting

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 11:00:22 No.12580313 Report

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>>12578427
isn't current math easily refuted by finitists

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 11:18:11 No.12580344 Report

Quoted By: >>12580364

>>12576975
Covid literally just mutated dumb ass.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 11:33:00 No.12580364 Report

Quoted By: >>12580660

>>12580344
he can dispute that mutaions doesn't make new species

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 11:45:37 No.12580374 Report

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>>12572661
That is in modern times and hygenic enviroments, I doubt autoimmune disease would be very common in earlier days with the amount of shit your immune system was bombarded with, a strong response is fine if you're constantly infected with parasites or exposed to various pathogens on a daily basis.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 14:33:55 No.12580643 Report

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>>12572541
Intimidating other men is attractive to women though, is it not? Every social biology scientist should be turned into onions.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 14:41:30 No.12580660 Report

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>>12580364
No he can't. New genes are observed to appear, and genes change a being's characteristics, evolution literally needs nothing else beside that.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 18:00:19 No.12581362 Report

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>>12577788
Kek. Well done

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 18:01:22 No.12581367 Report

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>>12578386
I wish these people would stop honking

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 18:45:16 No.12581486 Report

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>deep voice
>still low T incel
Checkmate, atheists.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 19:10:36 No.12581569 Report

Quoted By: >>12581870

>>12572541
closer to the sound of a large animal growling

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 19:13:21 No.12581578 Report

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>>12572541
>https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/apr/27/deep-male-voices-evolved-to-intimidate-men-not-attract-women

Women who find a faggot's voice attractive are probably sterile or lesbian.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 19:16:14 No.12581588 Report

Quoted By: >>12583506

Also reminder that having a feminine voice means you have a small dick, that's literally an statistical fact.

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 20:32:04 No.12581870 Report

Quoted By: >>12581990 >>12582210

>>12581569
Ok why large animals have low and deep growling ?

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 21:02:32 No.12581990 Report

Quoted By: >>12582210

>>12581870
spreads further and more easily than high pitch noise I think

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Anonymous Thu 14 Jan 2021 21:58:12 No.12582210 Report

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>>12581870
because they're large lol. f=sqrt(k/m) big m, low f.

>>12581990
lmao good one

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Anonymous Fri 15 Jan 2021 04:31:18 No.12583506 Report

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>>12581588
massive cock bro here, can confirm

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