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Is this the norm for American education?

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 08:47:54 2021 No.12543320 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12543327 >>12543471 >>12543563 >>12543648 >>12543654 >>12543836

>Learn calculus all on youtube videos
>Learn linear algebra on youtube videos
>Learn diff eq on youtube videos
>Learn eng stats on youtube videos
>Learn physics on youtube videos
>Learn discrete math on youtube videos
>Learn Graph Theory on youtube videos
>Learn linear and non linear optimization on youtube videos
>Learn Combinatorics on youtube videos
>Learn Java on youtube videos

With covid now basically making me go to school at home what is even the point of a degree? I learn everything on my own anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 08:49:53 No.12543323 Report

Quoted By: >>12543325 >>12543436

>thinking you go to college for education in the first place
You go there for a piece of paper for employability or further graduate education. Only smoothbrains think undergrad education teaches them anything valuable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 08:51:12 No.12543325 Report

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>>12543323
Then why do they force me to take gen eds and milk me dry? Clown world *honk* *honk*.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 08:52:32 No.12543327 Report

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>>12543320
Thats a shit education. You might as well just read a pile of books. Watching a series of videos doesnt mean you learned anything

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 08:53:50 No.12543328 Report

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>>12543325
To make more money off you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 08:54:31 No.12543329 Report

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>>12543327
If I wasn't a year away from graduation I would've stopped desu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 08:59:58 No.12543346 Report

Quoted By: >>12543375 >>12543384 >>12543800

>>12543329
University puts you on a strict disciplined learning program. Few people would force themselves to finish a program were it not for the social rewards, except for the true intellectual that can learn by reading a pile of books. As an analogy, going to the army will make you fit because they will feed you and force you to work out, anyone could do so on his own but they don't unless they are forced.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 09:14:05 No.12543375 Report

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>>12543346
Ya I learned about the social life last year and got super caught up and now lost like a sem cuz of it. Still set to graduate in a year tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 09:16:40 No.12543380 Report

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>>12543327
Listening to someone lecture for a few hours a week and then filling out a test about things they talked about isn't learning either.
If you remember your calculus off the top of your head 5 years after graduating, you learned it. If not, you didn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 09:17:53 No.12543384 Report

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>>12543346
>University puts you on a strict disciplined learning program.
What, no. University assumes you can discipline yourself.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 09:19:20 No.12543389 Report

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>>12543384
No they don't they will take your money away if you don't make a good enough gpa or withdraw too many times ect..

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 09:22:25 No.12543398 Report

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>>12543380
If you don't practice you will forget anything including your mother tongue as seen in many immigrants. Doesn't mean you can't learn. My point is that YouTube videos in autoplay don't force anyone to struggle daily for years. Theres no exercises, no way to clear misunderstandings, no consult, no pressure to perform.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 09:23:57 No.12543401 Report

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>>12543384
No, they threaten you with expulsion if your grades fall below some critical level. Thats the discipline.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 09:40:04 No.12543436 Report

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>>12543323
fpbp
college is for career, not for learning

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 10:00:29 No.12543471 Report

Quoted By: >>12543513 >>12543516

>>12543320
>With covid now basically making me go to school at home what is even the point of a degree?
It has been trending in this direction for years. Covid has just accelerated it to become the main mode of education.
>Why?
They don't have to spend money on resources such as buildings or classrooms if class is online
They can offer more online courses which means more money
They can increase workload on professors by making them teach more classes
They have much lower overhead with online courses (they don't need janitors/maintenance/IT/ect. to maintain classrooms)
They can offer courses to students far away (distance learning) which gives you a large pool of students to get money from.
And I'm sure there are many more reasons but it really all comes down to maximization of profits.
I think in person is a far superior education experience as opposed to online mainly for the human interactions. You can get instant feedback from the professor and form groups/make friends in the class to learn from and study with which probably hes success rates for passing. Submitting of work through learning management systems can also be brutal for the student and their grades/morale (system errors, no partial credit, ect.)

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 10:22:26 No.12543513 Report

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>>12543471
Then why is tuition the same as pre-covid? Its just greedy and usury.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 10:26:05 No.12543516 Report

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>>12543471
Next step (please god make it so!) is to replace the zoom class with a high production value video.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 10:27:08 No.12543517 Report

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>>12543513
Too soon

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 10:32:08 No.12543524 Report

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>>12543513
To maximize profit, market hasn't corrected for covid. If they can keep prices the same, then they won't change. The demand for college went down in many areas when covid hit so a correction will probably come eventually but it will still benefit the schools more than students.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 10:36:01 No.12543530 Report

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>>12543516
They have done that in some places. Zoom is nice for meetings but if your going to try to do a class in an online environment there are better technologies that could be designed for it even if its just recorded lectures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 10:49:14 No.12543545 Report

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>>12543513
the universities are the most Jewish institutions in the entire world, with the possible exception of the central banks who literally print money out of thin air and loan it at interest to delinquents knowing that this creates demand for government bail outs (also borrowed from these same central banks). usury is their lifeblood

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 10:55:06 No.12543551 Report

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>>12543530
Recorded lectures are ok with very good lecturers in a studio.
Worst ever are these grainy, noisy video of some pajeet teacher so common on youtube

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 10:58:27 No.12543556 Report

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bump

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 11:01:34 No.12543563 Report

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>>12543320
>Learn about the holocaust and the Second World War via alt right media.
>Learn about finance and the Jewish World via the protocols of Zion.
>Learn about communism and the URSS via Solzhenitsyn 200 years together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 11:01:49 No.12543564 Report

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>>12543551
I agree. I watched a few linear algebra videos and learned a better way to think about the subject in about 30 mins than when I took a whole course due to the ability of the lecturer and his use of visual aids. Alot of instructors on youtube don't make use of the video medium effectively. Its either just a guy talking over a whiteboard or death by powerpoint and they record long lectures too. Much better approaches that aren't being utilized exist.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 11:04:36 No.12543572 Report

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>>12543563
YES

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 11:10:22 No.12543583 Report

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>tfw you realize you're actually gonna be in school for the rest of your life

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 11:46:15 No.12543634 Report

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To read Americans arguing about their McUnis makes me so happy to attend to an actual university.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 11:56:23 No.12543648 Report

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>>12543320
You could always learn everything on your own. Now more than ever.
But, if you want to do some job that legally requires a degree/expensive education, like being a doctor, you need a degree.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 11:59:01 No.12543654 Report

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>>12543320
>Learn Java on youtube videos
You already know the answer

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 12:45:20 No.12543728 Report

Quoted By: >>12543732 >>12543734 >>12543755

A degree is a pass to the middle class.
Having it proves you can sit on your ass 10 hours a day and take any bullshit from your superiors without resisting, like a polite, submissive good doggy, and in reward you will get your bone.
It proves you are predictable and you won't be a problem in a hierarchy system.
People who went to college for 5 years have proven they can do that.
Self taught geniuses, even if genuinely skilled, are mavericks, especially not married ones. Someone like that can drop his responsibilities overnight if something doesn't play well with him. They are dangerous people to put in a interdependent corporate environment, especially on responsible, higher positions. That's why you need to get married to make a career, so there will be something that will tie you, like your responsibility as a provider for your family. It's even better if you have a huge college and mortgage debt.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 12:48:34 No.12543732 Report

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>>12543728
Very true.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 12:49:31 No.12543734 Report

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>>12543728
>proves you can sit on your ass 10 hours a day and take any bullshit from your superiors
also notice, how very few white collar middle class professions have unions

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 13:03:50 No.12543755 Report

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>>12543728
>something that will tie you
And for the top positions, it's necessary you aren't some goody two-shoes. High responsibility needs something more than trust. There has to be some serious shit on you to grip you by the balls, that only the people you should be dependant on know about and can exploit it if you become slippery. You are expected to do some grey area bs and you won't do it without something to "motivate" you.
And you should also have shit like that on your peers, so everything is balanced and no one crumbles out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 13:23:20 No.12543800 Report

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>>12543346
>Few people would force themselves to finish a program were it not for the social rewards
There is also that thing, where self motivation even though is praised and popular because it's stronger than external motivation, is more energy consuming, tiring and stressful. It's easier in the long run to depend on external motivation rather than internal, because it's like doing two jobs at the same time - your main job and your boss job.
Just think about all the attention you have to give, the stress and guilt you have to feel when fighting the deadlines on your own, and meeting your desired results. This is a separate job on it's own.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 13:29:38 No.12543808 Report

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>>12543563
redpilled

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 13:37:48 No.12543836 Report

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>>12543320
it's the standard to know that you can prove within 3 hours time that you have the employable skill you claim to have

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