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Scientifically Curing Incels

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 18:46:21 2020 No.12496095 View Reply Original Report

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https://youtu.be/xpVnXJl3GK8
I watched this video and it made me realize why the most basic bro advice for young guys that feel down in the dumps is to start lifting.
but you have gymcels of /fit/, how do you fix them?
It seems they have very severe social anxiety.
how can we create a scientifically based methodology for elevating the young men of 4chins to a higher status?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 18:57:21 No.12496125 Report

Quoted By: >>12496131 >>12496177 >>12496374

Enslaving women and stripping them of their humanity would work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:00:00 No.12496131 Report

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>>12496125
>implying welfare fixes lazy niggers

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:03:21 No.12496142 Report

Quoted By: >>12496177 >>12496213

said people are a natural consequence of society and or nature committing wrongs upon individuals. why would you expect anything OTHER than some of those victimized people to retaliate or reject society in turn? The solution is a perfectly egalitarian world where some people aren’t more fortunate than others. in any other case you’re going to have wronged people, and some of those wronged people are going to be hateful as a result.

also it’s a fact that handsum males can get away with almost anything, so telling incels that it’s about their personality is one of those gaslighting lies that make people especially angry, since it contradicts what their senses are telling them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:03:22 No.12496143 Report

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>implying spamming racial slurs on 4chan all day does not make you an ultra virile gigachad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:09:08 No.12496167 Report

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>>12496095
>implying that woman didn't go to that field just to film an outside porno

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:12:52 No.12496177 Report

Quoted By: >>12496289

>>12496125
hmmmmmmmmmm
interesting idea, but I more meant like something that can be practiced personally.
>>12496142
>commie totalitarian shit
stopped reading there

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:20:34 No.12496203 Report

Quoted By: >>12496219

The problem with incels is actually pretty simple. They generally start out with rejection and loneliness. They then look for "strategies" to get a girlfriend. This, consequently, boils down women in their mind to a simple equation. In this process, you lose quite a bit of resolution (which leads to hatred of women later on), dehumanizing the entire process. They then attempt to apply these strategies they've learned online which obviously don't work, so they fail. In failing, they get sadder and with their newfound simplification of women they direct their hate to the now monolithic femininity they've constructed in their brains. Because at the beginning they turned dating into a black box that accepts techniques and immutable characteristics, they have done absolutely 0 work on themselves to improve the qualities which would actually make them dateable. Moreover because they have such a simplistic view of dating, there exists no variability. Because of this rigid idea of dating which they've entirely failed at, they attribute their OWN immutable characteristics as the SOLE reason they can not get a girlfriend, instead of their very mutable ones. If they were to attribute their failure to things they could change, there wouldn't be much of an issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:23:09 No.12496213 Report

Quoted By: >>12496233 >>12496269 >>12496832

>>12496142
It never ceases to amuse me when people try to abuse me, as if there is any avenue to be found where they could actually connect with any sort of "me" to start with, but further because they choose the most blunted and pointless of the approaches. I'm the kind of person where you could be bashing my head in demanding something tangible you can grab hold of, and yet you would still be completely denied anything beyond the eventual silence and absence. Most people have singular well integrated minds and functioning egos which are of and part of their world, so they can't comprehend this sort of detachment. Watching people, and watching their behavior on the net, it becomes yet clearer that despite how incredibly and near fundamentally limited most people are, they go through life feeling like they see most everything that needs to be seen. Yet they don't see or understand anything or anyone, not even themselves. This is one thing I actually like about the older generations, many of them actually can see you, some can see right through you. This capacity however (known as empathy and theory of mind) is near universally absent in current generations. They are completely blind. They don't put themselves in another's shoes. They don't see other people as places, or worlds unto themselves. This is why they call everything "schizo" or "autism", or whatever.

African proverb. "The child who is not accepted by the village will burn it to the ground to feel its warmth." Some people live on the outskirts of society and reject it loudly, but secretly want to find acceptance and a place within it, and their behavior organizes around this secret and primary desire. Some other people are so alienated, and have become so incapable of accepting their culture, that they have little choice but to either cause harm, or fully separate. It is the hedgehog's dilemma. One's core design necessitates that they eventually abuse others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:24:20 No.12496219 Report

Quoted By: >>12496235

>>12496203
You see that the psychotic attachment to women is unhealthy right?
they need to move beyond that and exist as individuals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:26:58 No.12496233 Report

Quoted By: >>12496234

>>12496213
literally autism the post. take your meds schizo.
and fuck off with your nigger quotes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:27:28 No.12496234 Report

Quoted By: >>12496252

>>12496233
I see you are retarded anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:27:55 No.12496235 Report

Quoted By: >>12496295

>>12496219
Obviously. I didn't disagree with that.
But I think your position to "exist as individuals" still stems from a place of hatred. I believe you're implying a sort of MGTOW path. Which may have some merit but again overall is composed of people who have unresolved hatred.
Unless you're just saying "Men should work on themselves and dating shouldn't be at the forefront of their mind" while not excluding women as some lost cause, which I agree with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:28:04 No.12496237 Report

Quoted By: >>12496295

>>12496095
nobody does pic related all day

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:29:20 No.12496245 Report

Quoted By: >>12496295

>>12496095
Attributing everything in your life to one chemical is honestly ridiculous. If you have a good diet and do resistance exercise regularly, your test is fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:30:34 No.12496252 Report

Quoted By: >>12496285 >>12496594 >>12496632 >>12496855

>>12496234
inceldom isn't profoundly deep counter culture.
It's young guys with very bad attachment issues.
you didn't say anything about science or curing inceldom.
it's sad and needs to be treated.
society admonishes them. they live in an echo chamber in their containment boards like /r9k/ /fit/ and /pol/
they need nurturing to become men. they don't exist as men, they have a HUGE master slave complex and this never exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:34:22 No.12496269 Report

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>>12496213

Theory of mind is not universal among humans and wholly absent amongst animals. Therefor its achievement is absolutely not guarenteed.

Theory of mind in my opinion is also a state of detachment. Its a third person perspective to not only yourself butt also someone else.

Human A --------------------- > Human B
^ 3P perspective of Human A ^

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:34:34 No.12496271 Report

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>>12496095
Just sort yourself out. A healthy mind shows in the face, that is, a mind that looks clued up and knows what it wants.

The physical will naturally follow the a healthy mind, as in, you will eventually when ready want to go for walks or eat slightly healthier etc.

If low in the dump 'betas' wanted advice that doesn't seem unrealistic then it would simply be, cater to yourself and interests because if you feel lost mentally then you will always fail at the first hurdle, i.e. a girl will always see a guy who looks lost.

But obviously, if physically making yourself look healthier makes you mentally well then yes of course physical training will be your silver bullet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:36:22 No.12496281 Report

Quoted By: >>12496295

>>12496095
there is none, there are always more males who do not reproduce than females for fundamental evolutionary reasons, you will not get people to care about the left side of the bell curve if there are men there.

this is a science board, so if you don't understand anisogamy, greater male variability, and basic sexual economics/competition between the sexes and how it leads SYSTEMICALLY to there ALWAYS BEING MORE MALES who cannot find romantic companionship, then you need to do some reading.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:36:58 No.12496285 Report

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>>12496252
I'm not talking strictly about incels, they're just one branch off a much broader trunk. Facilitating change (required to achieve reasonable goals) in individuals is too broad to discuss, especially as a process to "cure". I agree with what you've said though. Attachment and self esteem issues, identity problems, dissociation, narcissism even, etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:37:29 No.12496289 Report

Quoted By: >>12496336

>>12496177
The general tone is one of CONQUEST. You have to find a way to ruin a womans life until she has no choice but to accept being rescued.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:39:09 No.12496295 Report

Quoted By: >>12496325 >>12496326 >>12496353 >>12496361

>>12496235
>still stems from a place of hatred
Wrong. and that defensiveness comes from a place of being hated.
hated so much you don't know when someone is demonstrating care.
incels want pseudo mothers from women as their escapist fantasy, but they really need great men to lead them onto a path of self creation.
>I believe you're implying a sort of MGTOW path
MGTOW is the evolved from of inceldom.
beyond the childish woes.
But for me, it's even beyond that. It's not about hating women, or rejecting them. It's not about women at all, that's the point.
Moving beyond the slave-master complex.
existing in a way perpetuated by the self.
Inceldom isn't about women.
>>12496237
fuck off nigger
>>12496245
yeah that's my point. it's beyond test. because there are gymcels of /fit/
it's a deeper issue.
>>12496281
people can improve.
if your don't understand the basic concepts of neuroscience then you need to fuck off nigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:42:56 No.12496315 Report

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>>12496095
The lack of arranged personal network marriages from BASED family and friends and elders matching people up has greatly contributed

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:44:57 No.12496325 Report

Quoted By: >>12496349 >>12496641

>>12496295

Woman are also not some black fucking box, They are just more intelligent on a intuitive level then you seeing every male is a potential mate and/or adversary. It requires a type of social navigation that is polynomial to a couple degree above just being a linear male. (sleep > work > money > play > sleep)

emotionally however, woman are a fucking mess.I guess you take the good with the bad or some shit. So TL;DR study woman, i mean really study them. Not their fucking tits and ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:45:03 No.12496326 Report

Quoted By: >>12496334 >>12496349

>>12496295
>perpetuated by the self.
Should be the only goal. Naturally, you would hope, that when you are fulfilled by your interests, you would have the emotional spirit to entertain the part of you that puts in the time for others, rather than yourself, I think it is then when you reach the most potential for women, because they'll see that in you too, that you are fulfilled and ready to entertain others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:47:05 No.12496334 Report

Quoted By: >>12496366 >>12496391

>>12496326
having to earn something that others get for free out of the gate is immoral as fuck especially when lifespan is so short

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:47:26 No.12496336 Report

Quoted By: >>12496345 >>12496391

>>12496289
see this is why you're an incel

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Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:48:26 No.12496343 Report

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>>12496095

Sex-bots solve all these problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:49:17 No.12496345 Report

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>>12496336
Thats not the reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:50:20 No.12496349 Report

Quoted By: >>12496367

>>12496325
Wrong.
make your life about yourself, not women.
study women no more than your intuitive understanding you gain from your interactions with them.
>>12496326
>another post obsessed about women
as a great man women will naturally appear, just as beetles naturally exists in a forrest.
But you're not in the forrest for the beetles, you're there for the forest.
getting it yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:50:37 No.12496353 Report

Quoted By: >>12496365 >>12496391

>>12496295
>Wrong. and that defensiveness comes from a place of being hated.
The overwhelming majority of this perceived hatred can be attributed to propaganda incels spew at each other. You're still treating women as a monolith. This is a very low IQ take.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:51:56 No.12496361 Report

Quoted By: >>12496391

>>12496295
>Moving beyond the slave-master complex.
You need to seriously reevaluate your mental health if you've ever had this sort of complex with women. I don't even understand how someone can conflate dating to this level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:52:31 No.12496365 Report

Quoted By: >>12496383 >>12496391

>>12496353
not him but apathy is a lot worse than hatred in terms of its impact. growing up being ignored by girls watching other boys get to have all the fun just because they are luckier than you... any smart person is going to quickly spiral into rage at that injustice. the only reason more people don’t is that they’re stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:52:48 No.12496366 Report

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>>12496334
Well if sex is the target then yes I agree with you.

But hopefully! If someone is born with more intelligence then looks that they would have fun using that big brain of theirs with interesting topics that say 'chads' could never discover past the title of a subject.

It's cliché but chads mainly have no option than to chase after girls like a dog on heat. They can't entertain themselves when they are on their own, unlike intelligent people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:52:50 No.12496367 Report

Quoted By: >>12496391 >>12496554

>>12496349
> getting it yet?

no thats fucking horrendous advice LMAO, its akin to astrology / divination.

> dont do Y, just do X and Y will somehow come because its related to some degree to Y

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:54:29 No.12496374 Report

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>>12496125
>implying w*men have humanity in the first place

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:56:14 No.12496383 Report

Quoted By: >>12496399

>>12496365
I don't think you can reasonably associate the social interaction you may or may not have faced as a kid to now. Kids don't self improve, it's all random. That randomness should be liberating, though, it's NOT your fault. Dating and women are such a tiny facet of life which really, if you have your shit together, is not complex. Framing it as "any smart person is going to quickly spiral into rage at that injustice" directly implies that you're deserving of female attention. You're not. Just like the kids who were more popular than you weren't. Nobody is entitled to interaction. You need to build that for yourself.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:56:52 No.12496389 Report

Quoted By: >>12496409

>>12496095
There is no "fixing" us after a certain point. The only way forward is through acceptance of terminal loneliness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:56:59 No.12496391 Report

Quoted By: >>12496396 >>12496442

>>12496334
You're free to acquire happiness, but you're not entitled to be given it.
Thus, you are not happy by your own devices.
>>12496336
conquest is a natural emotion within men.
but how can you expect to conquer others when you've yet to conquer yourself.
>>12496353
>women
>monolith
the point of this all is to remove the pussy from the pedestal.
>>12496361
Read hegel you nigger.
>>12496365
You idealize pussy.
stop it.
>>12496367
WRONG.
you're still obsessing over Y.
It's never about Y.
it's always about X. how Y appears through X is irrelevant because you were never doing it for Y.
again it's not about women.
stop idolizing pussy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:57:21 No.12496396 Report

Quoted By: >>12496408 >>12496409

>>12496391
>the point of this all is to remove the pussy from the pedestal.
the point of this all is to remove the pussy from the pedestal.
You're not. You're putting it on a different one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:57:52 No.12496399 Report

Quoted By: >>12496403 >>12496421

>>12496383
I see that inequality as intrinsically evil, not something to accept.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:58:40 No.12496403 Report

Quoted By: >>12496420

>>12496399
Why is it evil? Do you have some intrinsic entitlement to female interaction? No. You don't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 19:59:45 No.12496406 Report

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>>12496095
made for bbc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:00:00 No.12496408 Report

Quoted By: >>12496421

>>12496396
>12496396
To expand on this, by making your whole life and identity revolve around not caring about the opinions and perceived injustice of women, you're putting them on the ULTIMATE pedestal. They control your life to such a degree that you are forced to eliminate them lest succumb to obsession.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:00:25 No.12496409 Report

Quoted By: >>12496417 >>12496424

>>12496389
you're still a slave to your own idolization of pussy.
cease it. you are fettered by your own mind.
>>12496396
WRONG.
it's entirely removed.
women should be nothing more than things that you expect to exit naturally, such as tree.
I don't particularly notice the tree or obsess about trees, yet I know they exist and see them naturally in my life.
you still idolize pussy.
stop it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:02:09 No.12496417 Report

Quoted By: >>12496421

>>12496409
I don't idolize pussy, I don't even really think about sex unless it's in this sort of context. I have fulfillment in my life through my work, study, and art. If I wanted a girlfriend I could go get one, but I don't center my personality around doing these things to separate myself from women, I do them because that's what I want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:02:52 No.12496420 Report

Quoted By: >>12496427

>>12496403
what would happen to civilization if all the unrewarded people decided they were done contributing tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:03:04 No.12496421 Report

Quoted By: >>12496431

>>12496399
evil isn't real. it's a figment of your mind. YOU torment YOURSELF
Likely no women sit maniacally scheming about how to torment poor anon.
you choose to feel pain.
pain is generated by your own mind.
>>12496408
low IQ take
>>12496417
So you get what I mean all along but simply want to be a contrarian?
you're retarded.
nigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:03:16 No.12496424 Report

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>>12496409
>you're still a slave to your own idolization of pussy.
cease it. you are fettered by your own mind.
I don't even think about women in that capacity anymore. It is so far out of reach that I have detached myself from it entirely. I'm not a "slave" to anything, I live for myself, and I am at peace with my choices.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:03:19 No.12496425 Report

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When I left secondary school (high school) I couldn't give a rats ass about women, no longer reminded by them. My interests out trumped them.
I saw guys getting sex but that's all they did. Too dull to entertain any other matters.

When I left college my lack of interest for sex grew stronger.

Naturally being around women all day would get you aroused.

I used to bounce from night out to night out to try and get lucky with girls but I put no effort into framework for them, they saw that, a jobless geekish guy. I knew it too. Tried it on anyway when I was drunk.

At 27 I really don't care. Really is just a wet hole to my dick in. I know for a fact, if I sort myself out, fulfill my goals then I will be ready and WILL get a girl. But I'm not bothered. Girls can see if you substance behind you. If you don't work on that, you are screwed. Guys with looks can get away with it but they cry and get upset when girls ditch them or their mates have a faster car than them etc.

Chads are like girls in a way, always need to be around people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:03:29 No.12496427 Report

Quoted By: >>12496434

>>12496420
They don't. Because they're not "unrewarded". There's no fucking prize.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:04:48 No.12496431 Report

Quoted By: >>12496593

>>12496421
>So you get what I mean all along but simply want to be a contrarian?
No, your entire posturing about self improvement and enjoying your life is IN SPITE of women. Your whole fucking life revolves around not caring about what women do. This is fucking madness. Additionally, respond to my argument. Don't say "low IQ" I gave you the decency to explain why your take was retarded before insulting you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:05:47 No.12496434 Report

Quoted By: >>12496444

>>12496427
Some people get enjoyable lives and others don’t. The former almost never contribute to society, the latter make basically all of the contributions. There’s nothing more worthless than a lucky man, and yet he enjoys all the fruits of civilization while the valuable people get nothing. That seems like basically the definition of evil. Like a worse version of slavery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:06:49 No.12496442 Report

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>>12496391
> you're still obsessing over Y.
> It's never about Y.
> it's always about X. how Y appears through X is
> irrelevant because you were never doing it for Y

This is getting unhealthy. You are making it worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:07:47 No.12496444 Report

Quoted By: >>12496456

>>12496434
What are you talking about? Your point was about being ignored by women. Not about contribution to society. Additionally, this is literally wrong. The majority of historic scientists, artists, mathematicians, etc. all lived very comfortable lives as aristocrats. But it doesn't fucking matter but you're not even making an analogy and this has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:08:47 No.12496450 Report

Quoted By: >>12496457

Every single one of you mongoloids in this thread are the sole reason why /tg/ has become the only enjoyable board on this godforsaken website anymore. No one can have an actual worthwhile disscution here because every single one of you is a sex obsessed freak who can't stop thinking about why they're lonely and can't get pussy/boypussy. You are all a waste to the Human experience and will only be remembered for having voided this place of actual disscution torwards philosophy, science, ideology, history, culture, art, or advice and have replaced it with shitflinging about how you are either definable as a kissless virgin who will die alone or a malnourished dick cutting psychopath.
17 years.
17 YEARS FOR FUCKING WHAT?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:10:59 No.12496456 Report

Quoted By: >>12496458

>>12496444
Anyone not doing hard labor is a parasite that doesn’t contribute to society.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:11:09 No.12496457 Report

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>>12496450
This is literally what I'm trying to argue but this dude is so fucking obsessed with pussy he centers his identity around not caring about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:12:12 No.12496458 Report

Quoted By: >>12496465

>>12496456
Okay you're literally just unreasonable. That's fine. Have a good one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:14:50 No.12496465 Report

Quoted By: >>12496472

>>12496458
doesn’t seem that unreasonable. without hard laborers we would all be dead. without business people we would lose some luxuries that have probably actually made our lives worse. now which of those two groups gets to live better: hard laborers or businessmen? as an added bonus the latter group consists almost entirely of evil people who should be in prison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:16:05 No.12496472 Report

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>>12496465
You're making a anti-capitalist argument that I don't even disagree with. But the next thing you're going to say is we should have market reform on the dating market. Which is fucking insane. Women aren't capital, they're human beings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:17:12 No.12496477 Report

Quoted By:

> as a great man women will naturally appear, just as beetles naturally exists in a forrest.
But you're not in the forrest for the beetles, you're there for the forest.

but you are actually there for the beetles?
Thats so fucking smart!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:27:08 No.12496511 Report

Quoted By: >>12496519 >>12496525 >>12496527

Just design a dating app that takes as input everyones DNA as well as a very sophisticated personality test and then match everyone up with partners who are perfect for each other. Problem solved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:29:29 No.12496519 Report

Quoted By: >>12496551

>>12496511
what about kinks?
I dont want a phd gf, i want a black haired nymph.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:30:27 No.12496525 Report

Quoted By: >>12496551

>>12496511
a good looking man with the IQ, personality, and morality of a potato garners more female interest than an average looking man with the IQ, personality, and morality of a deity. so no. we live in a fundamentally evil world that rewards evil. No “fair” approach would work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:31:07 No.12496527 Report

Quoted By: >>12496534 >>12496551

>>12496511
>match everyone up with partners who are perfect for each other
This is your brain on rejecting humanities. If you think there's an algorithm for compatibility you're so irredeemably retarded I think your best option would just be MGTOW.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:32:32 No.12496534 Report

Quoted By: >>12496536 >>12496587

>>12496527
there definitely is an algorithm, it’s just beyond our current technology. humans are in fact machines, crazy complex ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:33:51 No.12496536 Report

Quoted By: >>12496541 >>12496546

>>12496534
So your solution is "design a dating app" but you acknowledge that it is beyond our current technology. So you have no solution then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:34:48 No.12496541 Report

Quoted By: >>12496551

>>12496536
That app already exists. You send your dna and they set you up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:35:05 No.12496546 Report

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>>12496536
I wasn’t that guy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:36:45 No.12496551 Report

Quoted By: >>12496555 >>12496560 >>12496561 >>12496813 >>12496904

>>12496519
That can be part of it
>>12496525
The algorithm would account for these things
>>12496527
They already exist and are used all the time on dating services. They are only becoming for sophisticated and accurate.
>>12496541
Oh shit really? What's it called? Does it also include the personality aspect because that's a big one.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:37:42 No.12496554 Report

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>>12496367
First, you should dismiss the notion that there is
>one thing
that makes an incel. There are many things, some more common or relevant than others, such as low height, high trait anxiety, any mental disorder etc. Everyman is some combination that trends towards the mean. If you got lucky and have a huge number of high functioning characteristics, congrats you have a higher chance of a happy life and a GF, although not guaranteed. As such, if there is anything that can be improved about a person, it is multiple factors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:37:47 No.12496555 Report

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>>12496551
only becoming *more* sophisticated and accurate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:39:07 No.12496560 Report

Quoted By: >>12496570

>>12496551
Oh it exists? Great then everyone on there must be in a perfect flawless relationship. Totally not a fucking gimmick to attract pseudo-biological-essentialists like yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:39:13 No.12496561 Report

Quoted By: >>12496570

>>12496551
> Oh shit really? What's it called? Does it also include the personality aspect because that's a big one.
There are a bunch of copes in this thread but this is it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:39:45 No.12496563 Report

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>gf

As if another clueless human being can solve anything. We actually need a real purpose to live!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:40:57 No.12496570 Report

Quoted By: >>12496580

>>12496560
More people meet from online dating services than any other avenue and they are more successful and longer lasting than any other method of meeting partners. It's only becoming more sophisticated and will continue to increase in popularity. I don't know why this makes you angry.
>>12496561
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:42:24 No.12496578 Report

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Have them all convert to Islam and have arranged marriages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:42:43 No.12496580 Report

Quoted By: >>12496592

>>12496570

You are ready to externalize your own agency, taste and desires to a algorithm that decides how to spend the rest of your life for you based on DNA and some notion of personality test.

This is beyond coped imo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:45:31 No.12496587 Report

Quoted By: >>12496592

>>12496534
>there definitely is an algorithm
No there's not.
An algorithm is a solution to a problem. And here the problem isn't well defined because we don't know what we want.
Maximize happiness? How exactly do you measure happiness? What if I'm be happy to be with girl for the first 10 years then hate her for the rest of my life? And even if you could quantify happiness, how exactly do you compare the happiness of everyone as to maximize general happiness?
What happens to the irremediably ugly and untitled persons no one want? Do you pair them anyway? What about the 90% of women who lust after 5% of the dicks pool and won't compromise?
Some problems just don't a have a solution, neither practically nor theoretically.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:47:11 No.12496592 Report

Quoted By: >>12496605 >>12496610

>>12496580
You are denying how things actually work in this universe due to some outdated and, simply put, objectively wrong view on how humans operate and what about humans is quantifiable.
Yes, compatibility in partnership is quantifiable and once it's fully polished it will be superior to any other method of meeting people you like.
You will be returned a list of potential partners who are all genetically very well matched for you and who share interests and personality quirks that are near-perfectly compatible with yours.
>>12496587
None of these are actual problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:48:24 No.12496593 Report

Quoted By: >>12496625

>>12496431
wrong.
stop projecting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:48:53 No.12496594 Report

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>>12496252
>inceldom isn't profoundly deep counter culture.
It's not.
Literally just low value men who can't find a sexual partner and thus have substantially less stake in being productive members of society.
>It's young guys with very bad attachment issues.
You're mistaking the symptom for the cause
>it's sad and needs to be treated.
Depends on what you think the "correct" behavior is. They could be treated by being ackowledged and convincing them to accept their loneliness. Or they could be treated by giving them a partner that will coerce them into being productive members of society. Or you could give them absolutely nothing, coerce them into being productive members of society anyways, and wonder why you have a bloody revolution on your hand.
> they live in an echo chamber in their containment boards like /r9k/ /fit/ and /pol/
Again, you're mistaking symptoms for the disease. Well, unless you're a typical normalfag that doesn't actually care about male suffering, in which case the symptoms are the problem and you couldn't care less about the disease itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:50:47 No.12496605 Report

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>>12496592
>None of these are actual problems.
So you're blind, on top of being dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:52:16 No.12496610 Report

Quoted By: >>12496643

>>12496592
Fully aware humans are trivially quantifiable on the macro and the micro scale seeing we are nothing more then Markov Chains seeing i study AI.

Still doesn't mean we should succumb.
You either have Agency or you dont.
You either have Cryptography or you dont.

Some things cant be comprimised on, no matter the cope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:53:51 No.12496622 Report

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Who cares about getting laid. The reason why you care if someone is a virgin or Incel is because you highly value females opinions of yourself and others. Obviously if you are not a virgin or Incel one female decided they were okay enough to have sex. Over valuing females opinions is cringe retard shit that’s hammered into all of you. Probably some how biological and somewhat societal shit. Who the fuck cares. Obviously we don’t really value the act itself sex. It’s an enjoyable activity with another person. But if someone never traveled outside their own country with their friend which is a enjoyable activity you wouldn’t look down for them for this. Stop overvaluing females opinions by caring about male virgins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:54:36 No.12496625 Report

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>>12496593
How am I wrong? Say I'm projecting, doesn't matter, am I wrong? Attack my argument. If I'm wrong, explain how.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:55:13 No.12496632 Report

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>>12496252
How to perform the said nurturing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:56:18 No.12496639 Report

Quoted By: >>12496650 >>12496706

>>12496095
I don't know why this isn't mentioned more about the issue, but we've supported hypergamy in males and virginity in females and this is what's causing the incel phenomenon. it's the chads that have their way with dozens of women, all of which have maybe 1 or 2 partners. If you run the numbers, it's very easy to conclude that the problem are other males indiscriminately mating and leaving nothing to other males.

In an ideal world, these chads are the best of the best but it's very clear that they're not. They often just have money or are from a higher social class. Being a chad really doesn't factor in physical fitness (see gymcels) nor intelligence.

I think incels will eventually recognize the feminists were right and this stupid patriarchy is what's oppressing them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:56:58 No.12496641 Report

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>>12496325
How to study

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:57:04 No.12496643 Report

Quoted By: >>12496692

>>12496610
I agree with you generally but not in this instance. There is nothing wrong with finding partners through dating sites and there is nothing wrong with increasing the accuracy of the models that these sites use to match people with. The end result is a lot of happy couples in love starting families.
Finding partners is trash, it's not as good as actually being in a loving relationship. You know this to be true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 20:58:30 No.12496650 Report

Quoted By: >>12496675

>>12496639
Patriarchy will literally always exist so long as men are bigger than women.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:02:24 No.12496669 Report

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>>12496095
>low status monkeys paying fruit juice to see attractive female monkeys and higher status male monkeys

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:03:20 No.12496675 Report

Quoted By: >>12496691

>>12496650
Even if you're right, why don't we make the patriarchy less toxic? Human mating for males is all or nothing. Women obviously don't want this patriarchy and incels shouldn't either. We could actually have some progress if we stop promoting chads having body counts of 50+, and women having 1. The numbers don't make sense and will inevitably lead to a rising incel problem.

With the advent of online dating, the male winner takes all problem gets even worse. The next generation will likely have a much worse incel problem if we keep glamorizing male hypergamy and female virginity. No one is really talking about this and this will genuinely lead to positive change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:06:48 No.12496691 Report

Quoted By: >>12496709

>>12496675
I agree with you but tournament selection is pretty much the norm in male larger mammal species. Human's aren't unique in this. This is what is observed in pretty much every mammal species where the male is larger than the female.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:06:56 No.12496692 Report

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>>12496643
>nerally but not in this instance. There is nothing wrong with finding partners through dating sites and there is nothing wrong with increasing the accuracy of the models that these

Oke lets compute,
If every person X has a compatible and homogenous trait with person Y,

Over N generations you basically have a population with traits that are extremist compared to any person not in your cluster..

Think: turning a wolf into a chihuahua.

dating app would in fact be a breeding program.
Do you think we should have "Youtube recommend" for genetics.

This is literally how you get clown world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:09:18 No.12496706 Report

Quoted By: >>12496715 >>12496742

>>12496639
>this stupid patriarchy is what's oppressing them.
What kind of retarded mental gymnastics is this?
There is no patriarchy. Family unit is broken up. Government is what preventing the average man from telling Chad to stay away from his daughter under pain of death. The welfare state and feminism is what is preventing the average man from telling his daughter to stay away from Chad under pain of disownment. Fathers can hardly discipline their children these days without being accused of child abuse.
How in the fuck is a society where patriarchs have nearly zero power a patriarchy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:09:36 No.12496709 Report

Quoted By: >>12496755

>>12496691
Then at the very least, there should be more awareness of this phenomenon because incels have misdirected attention.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:11:01 No.12496715 Report

Quoted By: >>12496782

>>12496706
this
Feminism was literally designed to weaken nen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:17:43 No.12496742 Report

Quoted By: >>12496755 >>12496775

>>12496706
Here's a thought exercise, let's ignore the label patriarchy and observe its negative effects on males,

> breadwinner roles
> less educated because "hurrr durrr nurds"
> social value detached from physical health or intelligence
> mental health crisis
> low self esteem because of low body count

You can still disagree, but recognize that many males suffer from this. Whatever we label the phenomenon, the first step is to recognize the problem. Otherwise incels will grow in numbers and act out in violence because they don't understand what's going on.

It's so ironic that incels want sex yet admonish female promiscuity. If you want a virgin and Stacy denies you sex, isn't that what you want?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:21:01 No.12496755 Report

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>>12496709
>>12496742
I think you misunderstand what I am saying. Females in a tournament selection male larger dimorphic species WANT to bottleneck reproduction around one male and only have sex with one or two males. This is not patriarchy.
Women want to have one or two stud man who they all sleep with and want the rest of men to never have sex at all. This is not due to patriarchy it's due to women's sexual selection.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:26:04 No.12496775 Report

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>>12496742
>breadwinner roles
Product of what women are sexually attracted to. Women are attracted to men who earn more than them.
> less educated because "hurrr durrr nurds"
Another product of what women are sexually attracted to.
> social value detached from physical health or intelligence
Another product of what women are sexually attracted to.
> mental health crisis
Men are disposable, especially low status men. Little to do with who rules. Just a consequence of nature.
> low self esteem because of low body count
Yet another product of what women are sexually attracted to. It's women who don't want to have sex with virgin men, not the other way around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:27:38 No.12496782 Report

Quoted By: >>12496801 >>12496840

>>12496715
There's a popular legal strategy where people bait low quality arguments as the face of the entire movement just so it's easier to argue against.

Feminism fell into this trap where the face of the movement became SJW Karen's who were mad they weren't promoted. These women have done immeasurable harm to feminism and most feminists who aren't also Karen's would agree.

Incels have a point that feminism in America and the western world is way too focused on stupid shit and primarily serves white women. Most feminists actually fight against things like gang rape in India, oppression of women in the Middle East, single poor mothers with kids, and birth control if women were raped.

Feminists want to have sex and a bunch of it. Guess which side wants to lock Stacy away and make she never sees a man? Guess which side incels unironically think is the solution to their lack of sex?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:30:57 No.12496801 Report

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>>12496782
>Feminists want to have sex and a bunch of it.
Yes but with only a small handful of men. Feminism is an attempt to remove monogamy and go back to tournament selection, where women are now "allowed" to bottleneck selection around ~5% of males.
Feminists are not clamoring to fuck the 5'5" cute dude who works as an accountant. They're still women. They want to all be able to solely fuck the 6'5" hockey player and never even talk to any other man, and not receive and societal shit over it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:33:01 No.12496807 Report

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>>12496095
Turn into a volcel by becoming a monk. If this desire for a GF is not directed tiwards a single woman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:34:03 No.12496813 Report

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>>12496551
Its called instantchemistry.com
Its just a startup. Yes its got a personality test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:38:45 No.12496832 Report

Quoted By:

>>12496213
Big brain post, anon. You deserve more credit than these retards gave you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:39:36 No.12496840 Report

Quoted By: >>12496906

>>12496782
>Feminists want to have sex and a bunch of it.
Women want to have sex only with the top 20% of men
>Guess which side wants to lock Stacy away and make she never sees a man?
No one thinks like this, not even the most hardcore arab misogynist woman hating muslim.
They want to assign the women a GOOD MAN. Because they know that when giving the freedom and choice, women just whore around, create fatherless children if any children at all, leaving the rest of the men having no reason to participate or be productive members of society.
I, personally, know I wouldn't be able to be a lazy bastard who jacks off all day and only treats my job semi-seriously if I had children to feed. I'm not nearly as productive as I would need to be if I had a wife and children.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:43:22 No.12496855 Report

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>>12496252
>It's young guys with very bad attachment issues
ah yes the attachment issue of being hideous

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:52:25 No.12496894 Report

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>>12496095
>Robin Dunbar
>normal social circle of 150 people
I wonder if that's why anonymous sites like 4chan are healthier since everyone merges into one? except vile tripfags

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:54:57 No.12496904 Report

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>>12496551
>The algorithm would account for these things
and no woman will ever use your app because of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 21:55:25 No.12496906 Report

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>>12496840
>I, personally, know I wouldn't be able to be a lazy bastard who jacks off all day and only treats my job semi-seriously if I had children to feed. I'm not nearly as productive as I would need to be if I had a wife and children.
This is the main reason monogamous societies are so productive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 22:46:51 No.12497115 Report

Quoted By: >>12497123

>repeatedly shit on the lowest strata of male society in every form of media
>females don't want them because they are short/ugly/whatever
>offer no help or solutions
>they go apeshit and start shooting up places and killing themselves
>surprised pikachu face

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 22 Dec 2020 22:47:46 No.12497123 Report

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>>12497115
Literally no one could have seen this coming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Dec 2020 00:40:30 No.12497550 Report

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>>12496095
I'm unironically hoping and working towards that.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 23 Dec 2020 03:34:24 No.12498007 Report

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damn this thread is the biggest on sci right now.
bigger than /mg/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Dec 2020 04:18:59 No.12498090 Report

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Is there a good book about how women work and how to get them interested in banging?

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