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chart thread?

Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 18:03:22 2020 No.12453591 View Reply Original Report

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chart thread. I'll start.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 18:03:52 No.12453594 Report

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>>12453591

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 18:05:10 No.12453604 Report

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>>12453594

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 18:06:20 No.12453610 Report

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>>12453604

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 18:07:39 No.12453618 Report

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>>12453610
That's all I have saved rn
Anyone got one for statistics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 18:45:47 No.12453767 Report

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>>12453591
bump
great board

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 18:49:08 No.12453784 Report

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https://imgur.com/a/JY6NNeL
https://imgur.com/a/0qDEgYt

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 19:02:39 No.12453858 Report

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>>12453591
How realistic is that chart? Mathfag here wanting to self learn physics, I don't know much about it but it doesn't seem like a good idea to have a quantum mechanics book right at the start... Or maybe it is?

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 19:31:40 No.12453985 Report

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I need a chart for picking the right physics/math chart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 19:34:22 No.12453993 Report

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Any chemistry charts?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 19:38:30 No.12454003 Report

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>>12453858
All these charts are made by anime fags; Go figure

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 19:39:45 No.12454006 Report

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>>12453610
>diff geometry, Arnold's ODEs, analysis on manifolds, Stein and Shakarchi all before Rudin

This one makes no sense.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 19:46:56 No.12454026 Report

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>>12454006
Do you learn analysis or DEs first?

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 19:51:33 No.12454038 Report

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>>12453858
Lad, I think MIT has some open courseware on their website for a lot of entry level classes. I suggest looking there. For the classes I skimmed through they have video recordings of the lectures, the syllabus, worksheets, the works. The material may be from 4 or 5 years ago but it is a start.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 19:58:23 No.12454068 Report

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>>12454038
Not him but could I substitute University Physics on OP's chart with OCW lectures and start off with the classical mechanics book afterwards? University Physics is just such a massive book, I'll never make it

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 20:06:28 No.12454103 Report

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>>12453858
Get Introduction to quantum mechanics by D.J Griffiths. ez book to read and nothing to complicated if u know math

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 20:11:17 No.12454119 Report

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>>12453993
Or even a list, for that matter. Doesn't have to be in chart form.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 20:13:00 No.12454128 Report

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>>12453993
>>12454119
I'm also asking here if anyone else ITT is interested:
>>12454115

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 20:25:36 No.12454184 Report

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>>12453604
>choose one from each blue box
>there's 9 books out side any blue box
what did he mean by this?

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 20:29:15 No.12454203 Report

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>>12454184
I think those are supposed to be mandatory

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 20:38:24 No.12454237 Report

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>>12454119
This is the list someone else typed before:

These cover the foundations for most undergraduate level chemistry courses.

Start with "Chemical Structure and Reactivity" by Keeler and Wothers (personal favourite.)

Or alternatively "Chemistry^3" by Burrows, Holman, Parsons, Pilling and Price.

For organic, read "Organic Chemistry" by Clayden, Greeves and Warren.

For physical read, "Physical Chemistry" by Atkins and de Paula.

For inorganic, read "Inorganic Chemistry" by Weller, Overton, Rourke and Armstrong.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 20:40:15 No.12454248 Report

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>>12454026
Took the typical odes class first, but Arnold's book is the business, and the other books I mentioned are all meant to be taken after analysis. The chart and the one beneath it is terrible.

By the way, if you want a good statistics list, Michael Jordan's book recommendations are great. He is an ML researcher so it has that bend to it (numerical stuff and optimization recs are in the list)

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 20:41:30 No.12454255 Report

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>>12454184
That's an old version, the phrasing was bettered later.
Also, quit pretending to be retarded, you know exactly what it means.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 20:50:11 No.12454294 Report

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>>12453604
Who the fuck makes these shitty as lists? There are several problems:
-Pinter's algebra is nothing like the other three.
-Nobody should spend their time with Lang or Velleman unless they've been out of school for like 15 years or something.
-Nobody who has just done an intro to proofs (e.g. the Velleman text) is actually ready to into a text like Apostol's Calculus or Dummity & Foote.

If you skip the introductory material and start with Sheldon Axler, Michael Spivak, or Charles Pinter, any of those would be reasonable.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 20:52:23 No.12454303 Report

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>>12453618
This is about 2 years worth of material just to get to calculus.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 20:54:06 No.12454310 Report

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>>12454294
You sound like an enormous faggot. Not everyone is learning disabled like you.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 20:59:34 No.12454344 Report

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>>12454294
>merely pretending to not know how to read
>>Nobody who has just done an intro to proofs (e.g. the Velleman text) is actually ready to into a text like Apostol's Calculus or Dummity & Foote.
>also a loser

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 21:06:55 No.12454372 Report

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>>12453858
I'm not familiar with all the books in the physics chart, but I've heard from other anons that the chart is generally pretty good. If I had more free time, I would be going through them, but I have actual physics classes to attend.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 22:25:52 No.12454688 Report

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>>12453858
That's basically every physics major's curriculum. Most math charts are retarded

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 22:49:55 No.12454764 Report

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>>12453858
In my uni course, we do quantum in second semester of our first year.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Dec 2020 23:47:58 No.12454941 Report

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>>12453858
First book, basics and introductions is pretty much what we did in undergraduate. Though we used Griffiths for QM, Callen for thermo and Hecht for optics (don't bother, just finish Griffiths EM)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 00:19:58 No.12455084 Report

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>>12453610
strang being truly basic yet a reasonable preparation for artin is just about the only thing this chart gets right

>>12453618
this one was originally intended as a joke

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Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 00:29:48 No.12455112 Report

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>>12453858
I had a buddy who's prof recommended Taylor's classical mechanics. I gave it a skim and wasn't impressed. It seemed pretty low in math rigour. All of Griffiths books are renowned for being low in math rigour as well.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 04:42:42 No.12455718 Report

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>>12453858
Why not just give it a try?
There's also Faddeev's book which apparently assumes no background in physics

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 04:45:55 No.12455727 Report

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>>12454255
Glad to see Tao's Analysis 1 is getting shilled. I am really enjoying it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 07:52:58 No.12456093 Report

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>>12454294
In my uni we've never done an intro to proof class. We were thrown down the deep end with abstract algebra and analysis for our very first course. Although in fairness it was the first quarter of df and half of Tao, which was taught slowly to get us accustomed to it.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 17:17:22 No.12457190 Report

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>>12453591
Anyone knows if there's a good alternative to Goldstein and why Schwabl was chosen over Sakurai in this chart?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 17:26:09 No.12457215 Report

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>>12455112
Which have the most rigour?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 17:27:59 No.12457220 Report

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>>12454068
not him but I want to point out you only need to work through the mechanics section in University Physics to start with Taylor, in case that isn't clear
Check out Morin's Problems and Solutions in Introductory Mechanics as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 20:05:19 No.12457718 Report

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>>12453594
Is there something like a Sears, Zemanky University Physics for med school?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 20:33:57 No.12457810 Report

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>>12453591
Somebody please make a chart out of this guy's recommends. I feel it's quite a bunch of decent books.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTnEG_WGd2Q

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Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 20:50:03 No.12457862 Report

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>>12454237
this is what my undergrad used, except chemistry^3, cant speak for that text. for an intro read 'why chemical reactions happen'

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Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 21:11:59 No.12457933 Report

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>>12457862
>why chemical reactions happen
do you have a link for the pdf?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 21:30:36 No.12457985 Report

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>>12457215
Physics for Mathematicians by Spivak is pretty good

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Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 21:47:15 No.12458031 Report

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>>12457810
Nice to see Chartrand recommended, can't shill that book enough. I think there's too many good books to make a definitive chart, many math charts I've seen look pretty okay, new books come out all the time and it comes down to personal preference and how much further you want to explore with additional readings I think

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Anonymous Sat 12 Dec 2020 21:48:45 No.12458037 Report

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>>12457215
I've heard people love Arnolds mathematical methods of classical mechanics but I haven't read it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2020 06:17:23 No.12459269 Report

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Bump hehe

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Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2020 14:28:03 No.12460231 Report

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Bump again

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Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2020 14:56:58 No.12460284 Report

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Any charts/reclists for a general science education?

I've seen textbooks on general science, but I'd like more meat than that, though not so much meat that I'm drowning in specialized detail.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Dec 2020 23:06:37 No.12461944 Report

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CSfag here, wanting to into statistics. Any charts and/or book recommendations?

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 00:08:30 No.12462088 Report

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since this thread is pretty much dead I'm just going to post books that I liked that don't seem to be that well-known

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 00:09:32 No.12462089 Report

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>>12462088

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>>12462089

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 00:11:40 No.12462098 Report

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>>12462094

El Arcón

El Arcón Mon 14 Dec 2020 02:45:52 No.12462556 Report

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>>12462098
based

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 02:55:30 No.12462591 Report

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>>12453610
do you have any idea when this was made? Must be pretty recent because the girl in the bottom left is pre-released art for huniepop 2.

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 02:58:52 No.12462602 Report

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>>12453610
>>12462591
*bottom-right, I'm a little braindead rn, probably why I'm browsing chart threads instead of the actually interesting/useful stuff.

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 04:08:17 No.12462789 Report

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Stats chart please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 04:28:51 No.12462825 Report

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>>12453591
Are there any charts for children? Have a kid on the way and I don't trust the school system

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 04:51:04 No.12462880 Report

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 05:19:59 No.12462935 Report

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>>12462825
Read Laszlo Polgar, thank me when your kid is a prodigy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 05:55:58 No.12463017 Report

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Whats a reading list for an electrical engineer thats done calculus and physics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 09:17:15 No.12463399 Report

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>>12457215
Someone mention Spivak's physics, and that is really good rigour. But if you are actually wanting to learn physics, it is not my first choice. Because that is a math book.
Someone else mentioned Arnol'd, and I'll second it. I've actually looked through that one and it is a pretty good cross between the two perspectives. It may or may not be a little light on the applications/problems though.

I should also mention that those two books don't really address the same subjects. Spivak starts with Newton's Laws and only has a few chapters (I think) on analytic mechanics. Arnol'd's book opens with variational principles.
For EM my personal recommendation is The Electromagnetic Field by Shadowitz.

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 16:29:15 No.12464468 Report

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What does /sci/ think of this book to get introduced to differential geometry and tensors?

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 16:43:48 No.12464509 Report

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>>12462591
See https://warosu.org/sci/image/BMbB0T9jFtr-5FZTgb4bSA

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 18:13:43 No.12464759 Report

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Pls someone post the undergrad Category theorist book as well.
Pic unrelated and extremely based.

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 18:14:45 No.12464764 Report

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>>12464759
>undergrad category theorist spoof chart

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 18:15:10 No.12464766 Report

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>QFT
>final boss

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 18:22:21 No.12464790 Report

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>>12464766
what's the real final boss? string theory? quantum gravity theories?

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 18:24:01 No.12464797 Report

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>>12464790
[spoiler:lit]Periodic orbits of hamiltonian systems.[/spoiler:lit]

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 18:30:33 No.12464821 Report

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>>12464797
>tfw can't tell if memeing
does that have to do with KAM theory or Poincaré's recurrence theorem? do physicist really study that? isn't that more of a math area?

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 18:32:06 No.12464829 Report

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>>12464821
Obviously I'm memeing, physicists don't give a shit about it.
>KAM theory
Eh, not quite. Similar tho.

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 18:57:15 No.12464905 Report

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>>12453604
Is Basic Mathematics by Lang good to get the basis for someone who had a shit mathematical education in high school and knows almost nothing but the basic operations?

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 19:19:07 No.12465002 Report

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>>12464905
nigga just watch khan academy until you can follow Epp and Chartrand
Maybe flip through pic related to have some fun

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 19:23:10 No.12465022 Report

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>>12453610
Strang into greub is the best meme ive seen

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 19:44:01 No.12465090 Report

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>>12453610
for linear algebra before artin (or halmos, hoffman and kunze, or axler) i would just go with any book from before the 90s pic related next chapter is vector spaces (though this book is large enough to have elementary material and cover things that the mentioned books don't the last chapter is Hilbert spaces)

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 19:56:35 No.12465133 Report

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>>12464905
>Is Basic Mathematics by Lang good
Yes. I would suggest using it as a reference if you are stumped while reading through Spivak.
This iterative process of problem forced learning is the most efficient and is how mathematicians actually study. Actually even though we may know more than you, we reference many (as many as 10) books at a time in order to "master" the material of one book

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 21:27:08 No.12465459 Report

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>>12465090
What book?

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 21:44:11 No.12465542 Report

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>>12465459
A Comprehensive Introduction to
Linear Algebra by Broida and Williamson

There are many nice Linear Algebra texts out there but after a certain point in time standards are thrown out the window.

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 21:53:22 No.12465578 Report

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Are there any good textbooks about the Earth sciences?

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 22:47:38 No.12465785 Report

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I need to practice my spanish, any good introductory spanish textbooks on more obscure math topics?

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Anonymous Mon 14 Dec 2020 22:55:27 No.12465820 Report

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>>12465785
Apostol in spanish.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 03:41:50 No.12466709 Report

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>>12465542
Very good book, thanks

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 08:11:22 No.12467317 Report

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>>12453591
Any charts for bio/chem/physics besides the /med/ one? Image related is for science in general.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 11:33:19 No.12467771 Report

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>>12465578
Earth: Portrait of a Planet by Marshak
Meteorology Today by Ahrens
Basically gives you enough information to start reading modern research papers. Earth scientists are faggots btw.

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 19:30:46 No.12469165 Report

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 19:48:44 No.12469217 Report

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>>12469165
>Forcing
What is this black magic?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 19:56:19 No.12469229 Report

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>>12462935
>Chess

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Anonymous Tue 15 Dec 2020 23:01:19 No.12469998 Report

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>>12469229
if you knew anything about Polgar, you would know that he trained his daughters in not only chess, but advanced mathematics and foreign language as well, chess was just his top priority, and as you may note, Judit Polgar is one of the best chess players in the world, we're talking about someone who beat Fischer and could give Yifan a run for her money. His methods don't just apply to chess, they could be used to engender excellence in any specialization.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 01:26:06 No.12470632 Report

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>>12453591
https://4chan-science.fandom.com/wiki//sci/_Wiki

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 02:28:09 No.12470849 Report

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>>12469165
Sigh, so much good shit to learn, so little time -- an ancient predicament.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 02:30:06 No.12470856 Report

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why do people post/save these charts? in the entire history of 4chan maybe only 10 people have followed these charts, but thousands have discussed them.
you're not going to go through all the books on these charts, don't kid yourself. is it just because you feel some sort of satisfaction by thinking about doing it?

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 02:47:10 No.12470902 Report

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>>12470856
>Only 10 people have followed these charts
>Source(s): bro common sense, bro trust me

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 02:51:17 No.12470910 Report

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>>12470902
how many have you completed?

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 03:04:02 No.12470939 Report

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>>12470910
>Oh you're a movie critic? What movies have you made?
It doesn't matter if I finished 0,1,10, or 100, it isn't relevant. I'm just curious why you jumped to that conclusion on the basis of nothing.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 03:32:57 No.12470987 Report

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>>12470939
it's not on the basis of nothing. I've seen hundreds of these threads. maybe in one of them did someone mention that they followed the chart, the others are all filled with the exact same discussion as this thread:
>how good is this chart?
>[10 posts back and forth about a specific inclusion, mostly arguments about a single book in the list. nobody ever changes the list as a result though]
>what about [book not in the chart]? is it better than this other book?
I'm just wondering what prompts people to discuss these charts without there being any discussion of those who have followed them

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 04:02:34 No.12471070 Report

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>>12457933
libgen.lc

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 04:17:09 No.12471103 Report

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>>12470987
Most likely just a bunch of new people because you can find >>12470987 on /sqt/. Other than that, people looking for a book or so for reference material.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 04:18:28 No.12471107 Report

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I mean >>12453784 on /sqt/

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 15:03:10 No.12472437 Report

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bump. a real playa never lets a chart thread die.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 15:31:15 No.12472504 Report

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Hey guys. I made a post here >>12472322. Didn't see this thread.
Any charts on game theory?

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Anonymous Wed 16 Dec 2020 23:54:54 No.12474188 Report

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bump lmao

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Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 07:05:14 No.12475210 Report

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>>12454255
PC - HTPI
BM - HTPI
BoP - BoP
BM - BoP
all fine at this point.
apostol v2 - Spivak
apostol v2 is patently retarded as you have not read v1 (v2 is multivariable and linear algebra) so Spivak is the only choice, and it's hard, but you are a math major so whatever.
PC - HTPI - Spivak
BM - HTPI - Spivak
BoP - BoP - Spivak
BM - BoP - Spivak
At this point you have zero experience with linear algebra
but again math major so whatever
PC - HTPI - Spivak - H&K
BM - HTPI - Spivak - H&K
BoP - BoP - Spivak - H&K
BM - BoP - Spivak - H&K
PC - HTPI - Spivak - LADR
BM - HTPI - Spivak - LADR
BoP - BoP - Spivak - LADR
BM - BoP - Spivak - LADR
All the algebra books are graduate level tomes (D&F 80% tome 20% graduate, C0 40% tome 50% graduate, Lang 100& graduate 100% tome) except for pinter which is woefully insufficient following spivak and especially H&K so remove H&K.
PC - HTPI - Spivak - LADR - Pinter
BM - HTPI - Spivak - LADR - Pinter
BoP - BoP - Spivak - LADR - Pinter
BM - BoP - Spivak - LADR - Pinter
rudin/tao is fine C&J is just apostol v1
PC - HTPI - Spivak - LADR - Pinter - Rudin
BM - HTPI - Spivak - LADR - Pinter - Rudin
BoP - BoP - Spivak - LADR - Pinter - Rudin
BM - BoP - Spivak - LADR - Pinter - Rudin
PC - HTPI - Spivak - LADR - Pinter - Tao
BM - HTPI - Spivak - LADR - Pinter - Tao
BoP - BoP - Spivak - LADR - Pinter - Tao
BM - BoP - Spivak - LADR - Pinter - Tao
From here the only books that are tenable are
Alphors
Munkres
Carmo

What a shit way to ruin your mathematical career.
I guess you could go D&F and Keep H&K
so the unnecessarily hard route would be
PC - HTPI - Spivak - H&K - D&F - Rudin
BM - HTPI - Spivak - H&K - D&F - Rudin
BoP - BoP - Spivak - H&K - D&F - Rudin
BM - BoP - Spivak - H&K - D&F - Rudin
PC - HTPI - Spivak - H&K - D&F - Tao
BM - HTPI - Spivak - H&K - D&F - Tao
BoP - BoP - Spivak - H&K - D&F - Tao
BM - BoP - Spivak - H&K - D&F - Tao

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 07:32:53 No.12475285 Report

Quoted By:

>>12454310
>waste your time on highschool math and proofs that normal books teach you in context.
>not everyone is learning disabled
Is this pure projected and isolated Copium?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 09:06:30 No.12475420 Report

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>>12475210
Please respond it took me 10 minutes to type that

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Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 11:13:35 No.12475606 Report

Quoted By: >>12475910

>>12475210
could you explain the differences between HTPI and BoP, as well as Rudin and Tao?
pinter is insufficient so it should be done? why?

I'm considering

BM - BoP - Spivak - H&K - D&F - Rudin
BM - BoP - Spivak - H&K - D&F - Tao
BM - HTPI - Spivak - H&K - D&F - Rudin
BM - HTPI - Spivak - H&K - D&F - Tao

and after that do Alphors, Munkres, and Carmo

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 11:24:19 No.12475625 Report

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>>12455084
4chan was originally intended as a joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 13:38:45 No.12475910 Report

Quoted By: >>12475930 >>12475940

>>12475606
Sure.
They are probably the most similar books in terms of content on this list, the only notable difference is HTPI is 100 pages longer. BoP just lays everything out better and HTPI reads like a wall of text and symbols. (Hammack's proofs are notably easier to follow)

Rudin vs Tao take widely different approaches and I would recommend reading and doing both.
These analysis books will shape how you think about mathematics. To keep this from becoming a rant I'll just say Rudin prefers to keep thing concise and would rather introduce definitions and theorems ad hoc and go from there.
Tao spend way more time laying the groundwork he spends almost half the book constructing the real number and the final chapter is integration.
(multivariable is book 2 for Tao, so you will do way more in Rudin)
honestly I would go for both Taos books
but since we can only pick one and tao book 2 isn't there I would just pick Tao 1.
Not only will you be less frustrated self studying you will still get the same shift in mindset that Rudin provides.

H&K is a much harder book than Pinter it also introduces and uses much of the material in Pinter. What Pinter writes in 5-10 pages is a one-page appendix in H&K.
Pinter in not sufficent for an university level understanding of algebra.
What I would recommend is
BM - BoP - Spivak - Pinter - H&K - D&F - Tao
But again that is only in the context of this shit chart. In reality, you should be referencing multiple books.
H&K will probably be harder than intended with only 10 pages of systems experience from BM but ymmv.
Also, Spivak is no slouch, and BM is good for a reference but you will probably want to use Apostol 1 as well.

BM - BoP - Spivak+Apostol 1 - Pinter - Apostol 2- H&K - D&F - Tao 1 + 2
By this you should be perfectly independent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 13:47:55 No.12475930 Report

Quoted By: >>12476356

>>12475910
would you please recommend some more books then? also, thanks for the effort posts. this site would be very much alike to reddit were it not for people like you

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Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 13:52:54 No.12475940 Report

Quoted By: >>12476356

>>12475910
also, here's some post i saved, what do you think about it?

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Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 14:15:19 No.12475971 Report

Quoted By: >>12476372

>>12475210
>apostol v2 is patently retarded as you have not read v1 (v2 is multivariable and linear algebra)
I used the cover of Apostol v2 because, get this:
I couldn't find a cover for the first volume in a nice resolution.

Also this entire post goes beyond autism, what the fuck is wrong with you. The chart literally implies twice that you shouldn't actually do it.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 14:35:40 No.12476021 Report

Quoted By: >>12476407 >>12476409

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 16:14:47 No.12476356 Report

Quoted By: >>12476385 >>12476391

>>12475930
As far as English style calculus goes Spivak and Apostol are head and shoulders.
There are a good number of analysis books that realize written by authors of students with shaky calculus most of these books are interchangeable with titles like Introduction to (real, mathematical, single variable) analysis
(Spivak even laments about that fact in one edition) use as a calculus reference.
I would suggest sticking with Spivak as it leads nicely into Real Mathematical Analysis by Pugh
(Pugh gives reference to specific problems in Spivak as hints for his own problems)
(both Pugh and Spivak have a strong literary art to them)

Regarding linear algebra read
Elementary linear algebra by Munkres
this is a short book, but it will prepare you for H&K which is the current undergrad standard
when you hear about new math the majority of textbooks were linear algebra textbooks, and they all were written by one or two mathematicians. Short of listing possible 50 books ill say go to the internet archive library and look at books from the 1920 to 1980
Linear algebra and geometry by David Bloom Is just one awesome example.

Also, this is personal, but I really liked Conway's A course in point set topology. I think you should read this after Book of proof are concurrently with it and keep working at it through calculus and linear algebra. This will definitely help you understand Wikipedia/sci bullshit
finally, you should eventually read Chapter 0 then you can pretend you understand the anime arrow posters

>>12475940
For setting a working applied mathematician's foundations its fine but foundational approach.png implies that you want to know about the foundations of mathematics. I would recommend using many more books, keeping books on the theoretical side, but only reading the set up for each cluster of theorems. Go read TeachYourselfLogic book recommendations but strictly ignore shit that doesn't feel like math to you. Also learn lambda calculus / type theory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 16:20:25 No.12476372 Report

Quoted By:

>>12475971
I am a pseud with a phd in mathematical knowledge management. Don't hurt me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 16:25:26 No.12476385 Report

Quoted By: >>12476407

>>12476356
> finally, you should eventually read Chapter 0
eventually as in 'after Pinter, in reference to D&F' ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 16:27:01 No.12476391 Report

Quoted By: >>12476407

>>12476356
wdym by
>keeping books on the theoretical side, but only reading the set up for each cluster of theorems.
setup?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 16:31:45 No.12476407 Report

Quoted By: >>12476409 >>12476415

>>12476385
after pinter,H&K,D&F
>>12476391
libgen a shit ton of undergraduate/1st year graduate level theory heavy math books. Read until you feel like you have to have done work to understand a statement.
You are on this path >>12476021 pretty much

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 16:33:03 No.12476409 Report

Quoted By:

>>12476407
>You are on this path >>12476021 pretty much
Except for the coping books since you went in with little effort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 16:37:32 No.12476415 Report

Quoted By: >>12476440

>>12476407
> feel like you have to have done work to understand a statement.
work?

>libgen a shit ton of undergraduate/1st year graduate level theory heavy math books.
and how will i find them
as well as
>Short of listing possible 50 books ill say go to the internet archive library and look at books from the 1920 to 1980
1920-1980 linear algebra, one or two mathematicians, doesn't tell me much

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 16:49:57 No.12476440 Report

Quoted By: >>12476484 >>12476848

>>12476415
Sorry :( click this >>>/pol/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 17:09:45 No.12476484 Report

Quoted By: >>12476848

>>12476440
please understand that i'm 18 and aspire to be a mathematician, the reason why i save posts of people like you is so that I could eventually use them as reference. currently I'm preparing for IMO, so there really isn't much i can do about being retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Dec 2020 18:52:08 No.12476848 Report

Quoted By:

>>12476440
not implying in >>12476484 that i visit /pol/.
Anyway, if you don't answer my questions, i'll just ask someone else when the time comes, but i don't see a point in having us guess what have you meant. clearly,
>libgen a shit ton of undergraduate/1st year graduate level theory heavy math books.
could be understood as simply going through syllabi of different universities, and trying diff books out, but again - your effort posts seem to indicate that you have in mind particular authors.
however for
>1920-1980 linear algebra, one or two mathematicians
you could have just named these mathematicians, and since you didn't - there are clearly more. now, guessing what books fit into the
'new math', 'majority of which are linear algebra' 'published between 1920-1980'
criteria would take more time.

again, since that would be clearly pointless, i implore you that you spare some more time and finish what you started - fighting the plague of migrants from other boards, notably /pol/, who just shit up this board with iq threads and arguing over the same problems (balls and 1/2 vs 2/3)

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