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Most effective measures against COVID

Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 21:25:50 2020 No.12404835 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12404848 >>12405820 >>12406706 >>12406790 >>12407062

>Ranking the effectiveness of worldwide COVID-19 government interventions
>Nils Haug, Lukas Geyrhofer, Alessandro Londei, Elma Dervic, Amélie Desvars-Larrive, Vittorio Loreto, Beate Pinior, Stefan Thurner & Peter Klimek

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Anonymous Mon 30 Nov 2020 21:28:14 No.12404848 Report

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>>12404835
Left = more effective

Surprise!, the most important thing is having good hospitals with proper equipment

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 01:42:32 No.12405790 Report

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Bump

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 01:51:20 No.12405820 Report

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>>12404835
Bat echolocation

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 08:03:21 No.12406706 Report

Quoted By: >>12406713 >>12406743 >>12406816

>>12404835
>46 different measures
>no preventative vitamin D
>no preventative flax oil
>no preventative anti-malarials
Wow super interesting.
Could we see a comparison of which vehicles are the fastest between Ladas, donkeys and a tricycle?

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 08:08:37 No.12406713 Report

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>>12406706
>>no preventative anti-malarials
HCQ doesn't work. Get over it.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 08:11:11 No.12406718 Report

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>>12406713
NOOOO! TRUMP WON!!!

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 08:28:42 No.12406743 Report

Quoted By: >>12406916 >>12407876 >>12407979 >>12408505

>>12406706
>>no preventative vitamin D
Has been debunked yesterday or so. They made the connection that more people get sick in the winter, and people get less D in the winter, so it must have been the vitamin D. Complete bullshit.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 09:00:55 No.12406790 Report

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>>12404835
National lockdown should be on the first place, the only places were it didn't work are countries where it was decreed but the population never actually followed it because lack of resources/education.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 09:05:37 No.12406800 Report

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>>12406790
>should be
That's not how it works anon. You can't pick and choose the data.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 09:24:32 No.12406816 Report

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>>12406706
>46 different measures
Can you not read?

>6,068hierarchically coded NPIs
>We validate our findings with two external datasets recording 42,151 additional NPIs from 226countries

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 09:26:57 No.12406818 Report

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>>12406816
To add to that, this study only looks at non-pharmaceutical interventions. So any drug related measures are obviously not included.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 10:17:23 No.12406916 Report

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>>12406743
Well, you are a damn liar. Vitamin D is the pillar that supports your immune system. If you are low on D, all kind of bad things happen.
t. vit D deficient.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 12:13:11 No.12407062 Report

Quoted By: >>12407068 >>12407201

>>12404835
TL; DR

>the largest impacts on Rt are shown by small gathering cancellations (83%, ?Rt between ?0.22 and –0.35), the closure of educational institutions (73%, and estimates for ?Rt ranging from ?0.15 to ?0.21) and border restrictions (56%, ?Rt between ?0.057 and –0.23).

>The consensus measures also include NPIs aiming to increase healthcare and public health capacities (increased availability of personal protective equipment (PPE): 51%, ?Rt ?0.062 to ?0.13), individual movement restrictions (42%, ?Rt ?0.08 to ?0.13) and national lockdown (including stay-at-home order in US states) (25%, ?Rt ?0.008 to ?0.14).

>Among the least effective interventions we find: government actions to provide or receive international help, measures to enhance testing capacity or improve case detection strategy (which can be expected to lead to a short-term rise in cases), tracing and tracking measures as well as land border and airport health checks and environmental cleaning.

>Education and active communication with the public is one of the most effective ‘early measures’

>Most social distancing (that is, closure of educational institutions), travel restriction measures (that is, individual movement restrictions like curfew and national lockdown) and measures to increase the availability of PPE are typically implemented within the first 2weeks after reaching 30cases, with varying impacts on Rt;

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 12:15:48 No.12407068 Report

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>>12407062
>top-ranked NPI measures aiming at strengthening the healthcare system and testing capacity (labelled as ‘scaling up’)—for example, increasing the healthcare workforce, purchase of medical equipment, testing, masks, financial support to hospitals, increasing patient capacity, increasing domestic production of PPE.

>Other consensus measures consist of social distancing measures (‘cancelling, restricting or adapting private gatherings outside the home’, adapting or closing ‘offices, businesses, institutions and operations’, ‘cancelling, restricting or adapting mass gatherings’), measures for special populations (‘protecting population in closed settings’, encompassing long-term care facilities and prisons), school closures, travel restrictions (restricting entry and exit, travel advice and warning, ‘closing international land borders’, ‘entry screening and isolation or quarantine’) and individual movement restriction (‘stay-at-home order’, which is equivalent to confinement in the WHO-PHSM coding).

>‘Wearing a mask’ exhibits a significant impact on Rt in three methods (?Rt between ?0.018 and –0.12). The consensus measures also include financial packages and general public awareness campaigns (as part of ‘communications and engagement’ actions).

>The least effective measures include active case detection, contact tracing and environmental cleaning and disinfection.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 12:49:23 No.12407119 Report

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>>12407068
The fact that more testing and contact tracing don't reduce the R is not super surprising, because if you test and trace more you'll obviously discover more cases, thus bringing up the R in the data. But this seems to be a consequence of an inability to accurately estimate the R number if there's little view on the true number of cases when too little testing is being done, instead of a real lack of effectiveness in bringing down the R.

Unless that's factored into the analysis, which may be the case, since I didn't read the article in detail.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 13:40:39 No.12407191 Report

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>>12407068
>>‘Wearing a mask’ exhibits a significant impact on Rt in three methods (?Rt between ?0.018 and –0.12).
/pol/ won't be happy about this one

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 13:48:56 No.12407201 Report

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>>12407062
>closing schools is more effective than masks
BAN SCHOOLS NOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Q9en-GEBU

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 17:30:45 No.12407876 Report

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>>12406743
Anon, there's been multiple studies where COVID-19 patients were treated with massive doses of vitamin D and severe illness was entirely avoided. The difference was most notable in those who had low blood levels at the beginning of the infection. So it's safe to say it's not just a correlation at this point.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 17:33:24 No.12407893 Report

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>>12407876
Post source please

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 17:42:32 No.12407950 Report

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>>12407893
Here's one direct study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960076020302764?via%3Dihub

50% of the control group required admission to ICU and 2 died. 2% of the Vitamin D group required admission to ICU, and no one died. It adds to multiple observational studies that found vitamin D levels at admission were highly correlated with risk of mortality or severe illness. The above shows it's very likely not just a correlation, but causation. Actually treating with Vitamin D can substantially reduce risk.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 17:47:07 No.12407973 Report

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>>12404848
>proper equipment
The tricky part is knowing that is the proper equipment. There was a pathological obsession with ventilators early on that was acerbated by politicians trying to use them as a tool for slamming each other. The medical community played along and ended up looking like clueless fools.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 17:48:19 No.12407979 Report

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>>12406743
The big release of articles yesterday said the exact opposite. You're intentionally spreading lies for some unknown purpose.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 17:49:28 No.12407983 Report

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>>12406800
His desire to play SimCity in real life is more important than any pesky facts.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 17:52:24 No.12407997 Report

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>>12407950
They're administering calcifediol, which is a metabolite of vitamin D (cholecalciferol), but fair enough. The study is pretty convincing in demonstrating a treatment effect. Thanks for posting it.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 17:52:27 No.12407998 Report

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>>12407191
Wearing masks in what context? In a crowded room? At home along while sleeping? What type of masks? In association with what other PPE? In association with what other activities?
Given the typical mask usage scenarios in the general public, these are very important questions to answer before you can mindlessly claim that masks as currently used are a good solution.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 17:55:25 No.12408015 Report

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>>12407998
>mindlessly
The fucking irony. How about you read the materials and methods section of the article Einstein.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 18:00:48 No.12408043 Report

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>>12407997
The calcifediol should be faster acting, so it would be better to boost vitamin D levels before actually getting sick (if levels are low). Still, I think it would be safe to bolus 50k-100k IU of D3 if a person starts developing symptoms. The body should be able to convert it over the next few days. The big thing is to prevent the condition from worsening over the first week, because that's when people get into trouble. I'd also hammer ionic zinc, swish with listerine, and irrigate the sinuses or use a povidone-iodine nasal spray. Maybe supplement glutathione to protect the lungs. I don't believe it has to be a severe illness with most people if viral loads are suppressed.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Dec 2020 19:57:22 No.12408505 Report

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>>12406743
[citation needed]

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