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Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 00:35:09 2020 No.12383571 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12384440 >>12384563 >>12387451

What is /sci/ opinion on the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 00:36:55 No.12383584 Report

Quoted By: >>12383714

It didn't show what the authors expected it to show so they swept it under the rug lest they be blackballed entirely

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 01:09:53 No.12383714 Report

Quoted By: >>12383752

>>12383584
When facts care about your feelings

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 01:19:00 No.12383752 Report

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>>12383714
The fact that they literally said at the outset that they expected the gap to disappear entirely didn't really scream objective.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 01:27:25 No.12383794 Report

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purely socio-economic factors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 01:37:26 No.12383828 Report

Quoted By: >>12383847 >>12384295 >>12384447 >>12384498

I'm sure it is critically flawed somehow because there's no way it is true. Every black person in my department is intelligent and none of them are law breakers. Differences in behavior is due to differences in environment, not differences in biology.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 01:43:09 No.12383847 Report

Quoted By: >>12384426 >>12384460

>>12383828
You do realize that the black people you interact with may be on the left of the bell curve right? ie. a small percentage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 03:06:10 No.12384295 Report

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>>12383828
Your interaction is only with those who were intelligent enough to manage such a position in the first place.

That's like when people say "Such and such percentage of immigrants are here on college scholarships" ignoring the fact that they're the top .000001% of their country

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 03:50:05 No.12384426 Report

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>>12383847
Do you realize that IQ or SQ doesn't or EQ doesn't follow bell curve no matter how hard psychologist tries? It's skewed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 03:55:05 No.12384440 Report

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>>12383571
It was inconclusive enough that the study author had to admit that the data could literally be used to support either hypothesis and thus was not really a study that could be relied on for drawing conclusions about the competing claims at the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 03:55:20 No.12384441 Report

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>>12384426
Until it's used to say Jews are smarter or conservatives are dumber. Then it's 99.995% accurate.

IQ is not an ethereal force. The ability to absorb and apply information is highly quantifiable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 03:56:41 No.12384445 Report

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>>12384440
>Be used to support either hypothesis

But it couldn't be because the gap never disappeared, no matter how hard they tried and no matter how they manipulated socio-economic factors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 03:57:21 No.12384447 Report

Quoted By: >>12384468

>>12383828
You're a fucking idiot r*dditor and exactly the reason why people believe the nonsense that racism is people hating others for no other reason than skin color.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:02:00 No.12384460 Report

Quoted By: >>12384553

>>12383847
You do realize that the left side of the bell curve is the low IQ side, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:03:39 No.12384468 Report

Quoted By: >>12384541 >>12384558

>>12384447
Give all black people white skin and features and you'll see all racism disappear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:06:47 No.12384483 Report

Quoted By: >>12384499 >>12384505

>>12384445
From the study author:
"The test performance of the Black/Black adoptees [in the study] was not different from that of ordinary Black children reared by their own families in the same area of the country. My colleagues and I reported the data accurately and as fully as possible, and then tried to make the results palatable to environmentally committed colleagues. In retrospect, this was a mistake. The results of the transracial adoption study can be used to support either a genetic difference hypothesis or an environmental difference one (because the children have visible African ancestry). We should have been agnostic on the conclusions . . ."

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Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:11:36 No.12384498 Report

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>>12383828
>What is selection bias?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:11:48 No.12384499 Report

Quoted By: >>12384505

>>12384483
>and then tried to make the results palatable to environmentally committed colleagues

>we took feelings into account instead of just brazenly pointing out that the gap persisted

There is no way to use the data to conclude that it's environment ONLY since the gap never disappeared. The fact that they're trying to make it either/or just shows how clueless they are. It's absolutely both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:12:59 No.12384505 Report

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>>12384483
>>12384499

Oh, and the fact that they had "environmentally committed colleagues" means that they were working from a presupposition and trying to shoehorn the data into that view. So, the opposite of science.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:29:28 No.12384541 Report

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>>12384468
lmao no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:35:57 No.12384553 Report

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>>12384460
yeah i meant to say right side sorry

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Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:37:56 No.12384558 Report

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>>12384468
Here's your new Aryan bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:38:22 No.12384560 Report

Quoted By: >>12384564

Sounds a lot like Robert Putnam, who freaked out when his research showed that diversity and multiculturalism is bad for society. From all of the warnings and cautions he attached to the release of his findings, it was obvious that he was not only disappointed in the results but also worried that merely releasing the data would have a large negative impact on him. But I will give him and the authors of the Minnesota study credit for not just memory holing their results.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:40:23 No.12384561 Report

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>>12384558
>There is an African superstition that albino people are not truly human. Many believe that they are demons or ghosts. They also believe that albinos are immortal, and their bodies contain magic healing properties. Witch doctors still practice dark magic in many countries, although the persecution of Albinos primarily occurs in Tanzania and Malawi. Clients are willing to pay high prices for albino body parts because they are used in spells to bring good luck and success. Life as an albino is terrifying, to say the least.
Feels bad bro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:40:40 No.12384563 Report

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>>12383571
>sample size 130
miss me with that gay humanities shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 04:40:59 No.12384564 Report

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>>12384560
Anon, you must realize that releasing those finds would be anti-semetic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 15:22:23 No.12385593 Report

Quoted By: >>12387453

Why is it so hard to understand that the influence of the environment starts well before the birth of the individual in question?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 15:28:36 No.12385604 Report

Quoted By: >>12386370 >>12387338

>A paper from Drew Thomas (2016), which reanalyzed these adoptions studies, found that once corrected for attrition in the low IQ white adoptees and once corrected for the Flynn effect, since none of the Asian adoptee studies had control groups, mixed and white adoptees scored the same, and black adoptees scored a little lower with a gap of 2.5 points, which can be explained by their pre-adoption characteristics.[13]

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Nov 2020 19:46:19 No.12386370 Report

Quoted By: >>12387299

>>12385604
>attrition in the low IQ

I'm dumb what does that mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Nov 2020 00:12:14 No.12387299 Report

Quoted By: >>12387325

>>12386370
> once corrected for attrition in the low IQ white adoptees

Attrition means to be beat down gradually. Correcting for that would mean taking that into account

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Nov 2020 00:20:40 No.12387325 Report

Quoted By: >>12387463

>>12387299
>Attrition means to be beat down gradually
Hmm...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Nov 2020 00:23:29 No.12387338 Report

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>>12385604
>which can be explained by their pre-adoption characteristics
i mean, that's one way of putting it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Nov 2020 01:01:29 No.12387451 Report

Quoted By: >>12387455

>>12383571
Who cares? Racialised IQ curves are used by low IQ whites to try to group themselves in with higher IQ people and throw minorities under the rug. A real intellectual draws a big vertical line at about 120 and culls everyone below that line, regardless of race.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Nov 2020 01:01:48 No.12387453 Report

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>>12385593
About ten thousand years?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Nov 2020 01:03:22 No.12387455 Report

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>>12387451
Which races proportionally have the greatest representation on the right side of 120?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Nov 2020 01:07:51 No.12387463 Report

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>>12387325
at·tri·tion
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noun
1.
the action or process of gradually reducing the strength or effectiveness of someone or something through sustained attack or pressure.

"Beat down gradually" was a sufficient summation

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