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Pollution Poison

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 12:19:48 2020 No.12373368 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12373410 >>12375134 >>12375201 >>12381143

Dirty cars trucks planes ships and buses have to go !!!

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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 12:22:09 No.12373375 Report

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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 12:23:41 No.12373378 Report

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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 12:41:40 No.12373410 Report

Quoted By: >>12373415 >>12375210 >>12375226 >>12375247 >>12376853 >>12378447 >>12379783

>>12373368
i would much rather kill the old ecosystems of this planet then allow the level of centralized control and reduction of human autonomy that would be required to save them.

fuck the UN
fuck silicon valley
fuck “sustainable development”
fuck the great reset

I will not live in some green and blue hellscape of total control.

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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 12:44:53 No.12373415 Report

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>>12373410

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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 14:57:22 No.12373713 Report

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the rich must go

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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 15:27:31 No.12373765 Report

Quoted By: >>12375187 >>12376834

it's already happening

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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 23:25:45 No.12375134 Report

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>>12373368
but only in white countries of course.
:^)

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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 23:40:24 No.12375187 Report

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>>12373765
pretty sweet rationalization/virtue signalling gig you got there

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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 23:43:59 No.12375201 Report

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>>12373368
CO2 isn't a poison. Don't @ me if you think otherwise.

In the USA, the EPA actually does a pretty good job of keeping legit poisons out of the environment. Pollution is a meme here, its only relevant in 3rd world shitholes and dystopian commie countries like China.

once again, CO2 isn't poison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 23:45:34 No.12375210 Report

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>>12373410
>the great reset
why do i keep hearing normies say this? is this just another illuminati gloablist gubment conspiracy?

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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 23:48:41 No.12375226 Report

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>>12373410
the thing is that the "centralized control and reduction of human autonomy" you're so afraid of is what is necessary at this point to keep the exponential economic growth machine - and therefore the continued destruction of nature - going.

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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 23:52:51 No.12375247 Report

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>>12373410
The fuck do you think exists now?
You know how much agency industry has over designing the reality that shapes you?

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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 23:59:22 No.12375264 Report

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>>12375210
no, its an actual thing from some random organization about overturning the global economy cuz covid made climate change worse or some dumb shit

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 00:06:29 No.12375282 Report

Quoted By: >>12375286 >>12375306 >>12375344 >>12376190

>>12375264
so we restructure our economy around sustainability but must forgo a few comforts? sounds based to me.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 00:07:56 No.12375286 Report

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>>12375282
its communism for the plebs but capitalism for the elites. essentially solidifying wealth into upper classes and barring any possibility of it changing hands.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 00:19:27 No.12375306 Report

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>>12375282
yep this is why sciencefags should not be making decisions that affect society

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 00:31:25 No.12375329 Report

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>>12375247
Humans have always been shaped by their environment, so it doesn’t bother my son much that i have been shaped by a technological one. What does bother me is the idea of a centralized authority with control over this environment, even if that authority could possibly make it look prettier.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 00:36:39 No.12375339 Report

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>>12375329
me* not my son, lmao. trying to phonepost while my hands are cold.

But yeah god bless every 3rd world shithole that will make any “great reset” totally untenable.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 00:41:09 No.12375344 Report

Quoted By: >>12375553 >>12376422 >>12376438 >>12380151

>>12375282
“sustainability” means that you get a lower standard of living and less autonomy so the rich can enjoy all the same things they used to but from a more sustainable system.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 01:59:22 No.12375553 Report

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>>12375344
based and truthpilled

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 05:44:07 No.12376190 Report

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>>12375282
>t. not an economist

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 08:03:02 No.12376422 Report

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>>12375344
no that's carbon taxes.
sustainability is became impossible as soon as humans started exploiting mineral resources.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Georgescu-Roegen
Hence, de-growth can buy us time. That's it. Simple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 08:09:31 No.12376438 Report

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>>12375344
>>12376422
another reason for degrowth is that it blunts the impact humans have on the environment. Using up resources over a long time period is less of a shock to the biosphere whereas exploiting all of the resources all at once can be devastating, putting even a future pre-industrial type of society in jeopardy.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 11:21:32 No.12376834 Report

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>>12373765
no living thing besides the human in the picture

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 11:25:28 No.12376841 Report

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earth is for us to exploit, those animals can be kept in zoos so kids can see them but otherwise they are useless, try to look into Testosterone Replacement Therapy it will help you

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 11:32:48 No.12376853 Report

Quoted By: >>12376861 >>12377463

>>12373410
kill the ecosystem, kill humannity. Hampering human progress for OMG i fucking love nature crowd is cancer though. Earth exists to be comeplety stripped of respurces by humanity, but we need to domit without killing ourselves. gotta get out into space where we can breed like a cancer and consume the entire galaxy. i unironically believe this

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 11:34:46 No.12376856 Report

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>>12376841
nah that's just primitive animal instinct talking. there's some strategy to it beyond 'me consume, consume fun' you're incapable of understanding. civilization was built by smarter people despite faggots like you. now we gotta take the next step in our evolution, again, despite retarded faggots like you.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 11:35:06 No.12376857 Report

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>>12373713
the rich are too powerful, the middle class will be destroyed instead. too much of a resource sink, automation will replace them, poor people will live with "decent conditions" rich will inherit the earth. sucks but thats what peak economic performance looks like

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 11:36:21 No.12376861 Report

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>>12376853
*do it

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 11:37:23 No.12376862 Report

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>>12376856
We must expand all the same, just have to do it in a sustainable way.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 11:52:54 No.12376876 Report

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>>12376862
expansion = death retard

don't buy into the psychic economics cult

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 12:47:39 No.12376954 Report

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 16:44:47 No.12377421 Report

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>>12376876
in a system of multiple competing entities you have to expand and develop in order to not get steamrolled and disenfranchised/destroyed by your competitors. It is impossible to know what the end point of this process (billions of years in the making) is, however i prefer it to a tyranny of stasis imposed by a central human authority, which is the only real way to implement degrowth barring a nuclear holocaust.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 16:58:38 No.12377463 Report

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>>12376853
i can agree with that and i’m not entirely against mutually agreed upon environmental regulations amongst competing nations and groups. The cold war gives a good deal of examples on how adversarial entities can come to agreements to avoid mutual annihilation. Primarily i just hate hippies who want to “preserve” nature while conceiving it as something that isn’t inherently built around competition and annihilation forcing the emergence of increasing order and intelligence.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 20:50:20 No.12378447 Report

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>>12373410
So I suppose Blame is like a utopia to you? An utterly decentralized hell scape but everyone's too busy trying not to die to give a fuck about what you do.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 20:58:02 No.12378490 Report

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>>12377421
>a tyranny of stasis imposed by a central human authority, which is the only real way to implement degrowth
what an absolute crock of shit. the shit you and your "enemies" are willing to do to "get ahead" is absolutely sickening. you're all a bunch of fucking psychopaths.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 21:12:54 No.12378567 Report

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>>12377421
you have more in common with your "enemies" than with everyone else. go mutually annihilate yourselves.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 23:46:03 No.12379119 Report

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>>12378447
I do love the aesthetics of the manga and it does somewhat fit the theme. I’m still optimistic things can be a little less fucked than the uniquely bad situation of the city but yeah ultimately i’ll take it over whatever variation of brave new world is on offer.

>>12378490
>>12378447
lmao, getting mad at me isn’t gonna change the nature of self-propagating systems anon. And i said that working together to stave off annihilation is possible, even between adversarial entities; i just don’t see any large-scale environmental action more than that as anything but a racket and consolidation of power by the elite who sell it to you.

Also if you keep trying to think about politics/economics in such humanist terms you’re gonna burst a blood vessel one day. The vast majority of with power are way too busy trying to keep it or get more or even just trying to do a good job for the company/nation they’ve been given authority over to even think about ‘making the world a better place’ in any holistic sense. These competing systems are a lot bigger than us and far beyond the scope of human psychopathy or whatever.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 23:47:16 No.12379122 Report

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>>12379119
meant to respond to >>12378567 and not the first guy for the second part, mobileposting is a bitch apologies.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 01:49:41 No.12379526 Report

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>>12379119
so basically, go-along-to-get-along
so brave.
then run along with all the rest of the lemmings. the difference between you and me is that you've deluded yourself into thinking they're not running over a cliff in the very near future

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 02:56:35 No.12379763 Report

Quoted By: >>12380546

>>12379526
the “they” calling the shots are massive, human-technological cybernetic systems. They are pretty damn resilient and good at problem solving but assuming they are running off a cliff there would be nothing you or I could do about it.

Regardless of the existential threat (that you or I don’t have any control over), I imagine that groups of human elite will use the specter of a threat to both skim wealth from and increase control over the people under them.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 03:02:31 No.12379783 Report

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>>12373410
This guy gets it

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 04:47:47 No.12380151 Report

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>>12375344
this
our current lifestyles aren't sustainable. What is unsustainable is our current lifestyles paired with endless population growth. If first world countries abandoned the idea of mass immigration, not only would our lifestyles become more and more easily sustainable with technological advancement, but we would see improvements in wages, reduced cost of living, etc. The "downside" would be lost income for corporations, investors, CEOs, essentially anyone in the super rich category. Rather than sacrifice this income the elites would instead have us live more and more poorly than admit that endless growth is unsustainable.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 07:43:35 No.12380546 Report

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>>12379763
i hear ya. we're putting ourselves in a prison of our own making though. 7.8 billion of us. we all have to do what we do because everyone else is doing what they do. we're in a trap now where we're in competition with eachother and anyone who opts out is automatically finished. as unlikely as it probably is, our only chance is if we all adopt a change in our ethics. we've reached a point where we cant just keep acting like animals in this darwinian game or we're all done. its totally counterintuitive but that's our next area of growth for the species, without it stagnation really is death.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 08:25:14 No.12380615 Report

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>>12377463
>>12379119
Cool pics, Anon. Are they yours? Are you working on a graphic novel or so?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 10:06:42 No.12380857 Report

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>>12380615
nah but god I would kill for nihei's skills, they're from a manga I really like, Blame!, and it somewhat relates to the theme of this thread. Plus I don't like posting wall texts without something to break up the visual monotony. Would highly recommend reading the manga though if you're ok with very little dialogue and exposition. The art is fucking great.

>>12380546
I really think we are past the point of changes of ethics having any meaningful impact. People usually just take up the ethical code that benefits them anyway and technocapital will have no trouble offering incentives for adopting an ethical code that furthers it's development.

Admittedly I have a very grim outlook on the matter and it's always possible there's something missing from the analysis here, but I'm just not seeing what it could be.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 13:05:58 No.12381143 Report

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>>12373368
How else are you going to attend climate warming con 2021 if not by airplane?

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