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Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 02:53:58 2020 No.12372262 View Reply Original Report

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>WHEN YOU GO TO SLEEP YOUR CONSIOUSNESS ENDS AND A NEW ONE STARTS WHEN YOU WAKE UP
unconsciousness =/= no consciousness, your brain doesn't cease all activity when you sleep like actual death

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 03:15:46 No.12372324 Report

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>>12372262
how old are you anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 13:19:38 No.12373506 Report

Quoted By: >>12374483 >>12377005 >>12381491

>>12372262
but a more interesting question is: are you still yourself after each night? or did you change?
does a part of you die every night?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 19:59:09 No.12374483 Report

Quoted By: >>12374608

>>12373506
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 20:39:18 No.12374608 Report

Quoted By: >>12374809

>>12374483
how can you be so sure?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 21:28:37 No.12374809 Report

Quoted By: >>12376739 >>12377030

>>12374608
Because testing has shown brain activity in fact increases when you fall asleep (most of it metabolic), and personally, in my dream states, I am still self-aware and still feel like me. Even in pre-REM stages I still can 'feel' myself. If people died during their sleep and woke up with a fresh consciousness with previous memories then why would life work like that? Is it only trying to preserve the body?

I say you are even MORE alive when asleep then when you are awake.
>Lucid dreamer ftw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 22:07:36 No.12374921 Report

Quoted By: >>12377022

>>12372262
Anyone who's ever been put under for surgery knows how different it feels. When you fall asleep you wake up and you wake up exactly where you expect and know roughly how much time has passed. Once you wake up from sedation your first thought is "Where the fuck am I".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 23:00:26 No.12375076 Report

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>>12372262
Sleep is an actual active af process in the brain, you enter stages like REM and shit. If you just "went unconscious" during sleep shit like anaesthetics would make you feel refreshed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 23:02:36 No.12375079 Report

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>give scientific answer
>retard replies about philosophical issues or ambiguity
>give philosophical answer
>retard replies about scientific issues or uncertainty
i hate you op, you eternal faggot, cancer of the internet. kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 23:02:42 No.12375080 Report

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>>12372262
I've been thinking about this. And I think he may be right. This is the reason you sometimes feel like "a new man" when you've had a good night's rest. Your entire experience of the world changes from day to day. Like you are a different person each day. This is likely literally true. You're a completely different person each day, but with someone else's memories.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 23:07:43 No.12375093 Report

Quoted By: >>12375096 >>12376727

I overdosed and was in a medically induced coma for 3 days. I felt absolutely NOTHING. When I sleep I have some sub-level of consciousness still rolling at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Nov 2020 23:09:06 No.12375096 Report

Quoted By: >>12376760

>>12375093
Yes. When you're "under" time is perceived as going by in an instant. If that isn't proof of time being an elaborate illusion, I don't know what is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 10:09:34 No.12376660 Report

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>>12372262
>free trial of being dead
Would that make dreams the afterlife?
Because then the afterlife has
>Hallways where you walk for day, and then a snake eats you
>Streets where you constantly get lost
>Gloves made out of soup that can deflect deadly lasers
>Pregnant nukes
>A centaur as my wife
>Mr Incredible singing japanese
Kind of a fucked and random afterlife.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 10:16:48 No.12376680 Report

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When you go to the next instant of time your consciousness ends and a new one starts

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 10:17:55 No.12376683 Report

Quoted By: >>12379009

>>12372262
During sleep the soul leaves the body and enters into the imaginal realm. This was the meaning of the night journey. See Ibn Arabi and Henry Corbin:
https://www.amiscorbin.com/bibliographie/mundus-imaginalis-or-the-imaginary-and-the-imaginal/

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Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 10:19:31 No.12376686 Report

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>>12372262
Nobody says that and nobody believes that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 10:34:25 No.12376727 Report

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>>12375093

ive heard plenty of stories of people who had experiences while being in a coma.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 10:38:03 No.12376739 Report

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>>12372262
>>12374809
underageb& very obviously

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 10:49:05 No.12376760 Report

Quoted By: >>12377040

>>12375096
If 3 days could pass in an instant while having zero brain function, what would happen if we extended that to the time that occurs after you die? An infinite amount of time could pass in an instant before you wake back up again, possibly as a new being in a different universe

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 13:29:32 No.12377005 Report

Quoted By: >>12379058

>>12373506
ulises paradox:
you aren't your same shelf every second it passes, as your body cells/atoms change every time and get replaced

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 13:39:10 No.12377022 Report

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>>12374921
That's why I prefer the aggressive opiates when being put under. Yeah I still remember parts of the surgery but all the opium makes them positive memories

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 13:40:05 No.12377023 Report

Quoted By: >>12377026 >>12379053 >>12381504

Im an entirely different person now than when i was 15. When did the old me die and the new me awake?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 13:41:07 No.12377025 Report

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>>12372262
>unconsciousness =/= no consciousness, your brain doesn't cease all activity when you sleep like actual death
And consciousness =/= any and all brain activity, rendering your point moot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 13:41:09 No.12377026 Report

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>>12377023
Every dat at 2:26PM

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 13:43:02 No.12377030 Report

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>>12374809
>personally, in my dream states, I am still self-aware and still feel like me
That is exactly what- or who-ever now inhabits the body you previously did would say, because that is exactly how it would feel to them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 13:44:45 No.12377035 Report

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>>12372262
Stop browsing normalfag media.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 13:46:43 No.12377040 Report

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>>12376760
Hello 15 year old

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 23:13:16 No.12379009 Report

Quoted By: >>12379471 >>12379814

>>12376683
Why are you stupid enough to believe this garbage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 23:22:03 No.12379037 Report

Quoted By: >>12381499

>>12372262
The sense of self is based upon an illusion of consistent data analysis. Get fucked up on heavy drugs or develop intense mental illness and you will know what I am speaking about. the material universe is a joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 23:26:05 No.12379053 Report

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>>12377023
There was never new and old you. Its your brain desperately trying to maintain homeostasis. At all times. Plus your death and birth happened in a cosmologically insanely small timeframe. Might as well be instant. The entity you think of as yourself is an illusion stuck in a temporary
"eternal present". You can never escape it, because you are back to it when you die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 23:28:05 No.12379058 Report

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>>12377005
Not every cell in your body changes. Neurons don't tend to be replaced, your teeth and bones are the same teeth and bones you've always had, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Nov 2020 23:49:10 No.12379130 Report

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>>12372262
It's not consciousness if you're not consciously experiencing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 01:32:31 No.12379471 Report

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>>12379009
>>12372262

because all poo pajeets are retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 02:29:18 No.12379652 Report

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OP this thread is a joke, nobody believes this shit and thinking you're superior makes me believe you're about 15 or retarded, stop making fun of yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 03:10:05 No.12379814 Report

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>>12379009
>but he didn't know if he was Zhuang Zhou who had dreamt he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming that he was Zhuang Zhou
meditate on this passage

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 11:17:50 No.12380948 Report

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>>12372262
I'm conscious during sleep though, it's just that I have partial amnesia. Each morning, I go through the process of waking up from a dream, during which I realize I was effectively being trolled by the dream I was having. Does this not happen to most people?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 13:00:30 No.12381129 Report

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>>12372262
You can have experience when you remember falling asleep with uninterupted going trough dream to wakefull state again uninterupted.

Don't judge what you don't experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 15:22:35 No.12381491 Report

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>>12373506
Bro that's like so deep bro broooo
This shit is boring. What would be the implications of this? Why should I care? What evidence whatsoever is there?
I can pose a million what ifs with no evidence or discussion of implications and each one would be just as boring and played out as the last.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 15:24:06 No.12381498 Report

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Why the fuck is sleep such an unknown? I feel like we need to take death row inmates and do sleep deprivation experiments until they die so that we can figure this out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 15:24:21 No.12381499 Report

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>>12379037
I tried buying acid once but got scammed :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Nov 2020 15:27:00 No.12381504 Report

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>>12377023
This is such a stupid question
There was no overnight transition
It was a slow, continuous process
You 5 minutes ago is not you right now, it's very similar but not exactly the same
You stopped being you at 15 when you turned 16
You started being you right now right now
Anything in between isn't either state, it's in the middle, usually closer to one state than the other

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