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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 17:04:44 2020 No.12366414 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12366495 >>12366510 >>12366576 >>12366590 >>12366608 >>12366684 >>12367440 >>12367487 >>12367583 >>12367586 >>12368466 >>12368595 >>12368974 >>12369001 >>12369008 >>12369009 >>12369093 >>12369439 >>12369447

You can only choose one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 17:08:21 No.12366425 Report

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Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 17:14:57 No.12366450 Report

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Lmfao
Science btfo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 17:41:30 No.12366495 Report

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>>12366414
The first one is true but there's infinite energy as a natural state.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 17:45:10 No.12366510 Report

Quoted By: >>12366531 >>12366564 >>12369423

>>12366414
based, not a signle thermodynamist thinks universe "created itself"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 17:53:35 No.12366531 Report

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>>12366510
>thermodynamist
nice

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:05:31 No.12366556 Report

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I guess i will have to go with one since it's a true statement

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:07:08 No.12366562 Report

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the big bounce

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:07:35 No.12366564 Report

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>>12366510
>>12366531
I have taken to the title "thermo dynamo" as of recently. It makes me sound like a super villain, when in fact I just play with a calorimeter all day. Now that I think of it, I don't even have a formal education, and my calorimeter is just a tin can and a thermometer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:07:54 No.12366566 Report

Quoted By: >>12369052

Falsely implying the universe was created

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:11:50 No.12366576 Report

Quoted By: >>12367429

>>12366414
the universe does not have a definitive starting point

it simply is, and always has been

no matter what you believe in, you have to accept that something is, and always has been

normal people just dont need an imaginary sky daddy to understand that concept

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:14:35 No.12366585 Report

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>>12366564
>and my calorimeter is just a tin can and a thermometer.
The only measurement device a true patrician needs to explore the four corners of the earth

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:16:18 No.12366590 Report

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>>12366414
gravity's potential energy < 0
https://youtu.be/IcxptIJS7kQ?t=33m

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:23:24 No.12366608 Report

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>>12366414
>planck constant (small value [Joule*time])
>below nothing can interact or happen
>borrow some energy for short period of time
>and pay back energy
>energy conservation fulfilled
nothing is created.

>planck constant (small value [Joule*time])
>below nothing can interact or happen
>borrow some energy for short period of time again
>realize transition into mass (within time)
>retransform to energy (within time)
>and pay back energy
>energy conservation fulfilled
nothing is created.

>planck constant (small value [Joule*time])
>below nothing can interact or happen
>borrow some energy for short period of time once more
>realize transition into mass (within time)
>mass does some sort of phase transition
>additional energy is generated
>retransform to energy (within time)
>and pay back energy
>energy conservation fulfilled
net energy obtained. somehow something happend. BOOM.

you can choose both.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:44:55 No.12366653 Report

Quoted By: >>12366673

energy conservation only counts when time exists

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:49:19 No.12366670 Report

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gridfire when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:50:39 No.12366673 Report

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>>12366653
damn, that would have been much faster this way. :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:54:43 No.12366684 Report

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>>12366414
Who thinks universe created itself? You can say the Big Bang was a thing but then say the thing before the Big Bang always was there. Thus never created.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:55:05 No.12366686 Report

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>>12366673
:)

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:56:10 No.12366692 Report

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>>12366666

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 19:22:33 No.12366770 Report

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I created the universe, well partially...

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 22:24:26 No.12367429 Report

Quoted By: >>12367474 >>12369061

>>12366576
>it simply is, and always has been
Fails the second law of thermodynamics. The universe can still perform useful work. The observed universe requires low entropy starting conditions as one of the many parameters fine-tuned.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 22:25:12 No.12367432 Report

Quoted By: >>12367565

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 22:27:33 No.12367440 Report

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>>12366414
I can have a both and you're brainlet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 22:35:10 No.12367474 Report

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>>12367429
But that's stated wrong. Entropy can decrease randomly, it tends to increase over time however.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 22:35:26 No.12367477 Report

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The first statement is provably not true in an expanding universe and the second statement is a meaningless non-sequitur.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 22:36:58 No.12367484 Report

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How about the universe didn't create itself bros? Maybe this shit ain't even here yo!

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 22:37:35 No.12367487 Report

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>>12366414

What if the universe wasn't created by energy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 22:41:21 No.12367504 Report

Quoted By: >>12367530 >>12367565

>therefore God

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 22:48:24 No.12367530 Report

Quoted By: >>12367532 >>12368430

>>12367504
Did anyone mention that God would need to create himself? How the fuck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 22:49:09 No.12367532 Report

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>>12367530
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 22:59:30 No.12367565 Report

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>>12367432
>>12367504
lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 23:00:37 No.12367571 Report

Quoted By: >>12367586

>therefore Yahweh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 23:02:34 No.12367583 Report

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>>12366414
false argument. one does not correlate to the other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 23:03:27 No.12367586 Report

Quoted By: >>12367606 >>12367621

>>12366414
Science is for answering questions that science can answer. Science is not for answering questions that it can not answer. Science works well for answering problems that can be answered with science though.

Also, science might be able to answer that question eventually anyways OP.

>>12367571
That is not why God is real, but God is real for better reasons instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 23:07:18 No.12367606 Report

Quoted By: >>12368136

>>12367586
guess what peabrain if science/math can't answer it nothing will

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 23:11:26 No.12367621 Report

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>>12367586
>Also, science might be able to answer that question eventually anyways OP.
ofc you dont know that science already has an answer
energy conservation is a hoax, it does not hold in GR

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 01:38:15 No.12368136 Report

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>>12367606
>>12367621
Are you always in negative mode? Are you never giving anybody the benefit of the doubt? You don't think I already considered that the question was already answered? And the other guy, you don't think that current science is different from future science?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 02:51:22 No.12368430 Report

Quoted By: >>12368463 >>12368635

>>12367530
But that makes sense tho

Even if you don’t believe in him. An omnipotent, omnipresent God just always existing is whatever. It doesn’t have to make logical or scientific sense because God would not be bound to those rules

The universe just existing or creating itself breaks the very rules of science

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 03:00:26 No.12368463 Report

Quoted By: >>12368476

>>12368430
>idk ergo god

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 03:01:03 No.12368466 Report

Quoted By: >>12368635

>>12366414
Neither.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 03:05:18 No.12368476 Report

Quoted By: >>12368508

>>12368463
How else does matter create itself?
No matter how far back you go eventually the building blocks have to come from somewhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 03:16:49 No.12368508 Report

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>>12368476
>No matter how far back you go eventually the building blocks have to come from somewhere
no
the existence of particles is dependent on what frame you're in

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Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 03:19:21 No.12368513 Report

Quoted By: >>12368557

What if we live in a simulated universe? Then "god" or the system administrator can just add more energy. But how do they add more energy into the system?

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Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 03:32:13 No.12368557 Report

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>>12368513
We don't, energy is not conserved. Ever heard of gravitational slign shot? Where does energy came from?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 03:46:30 No.12368595 Report

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>>12366414
>Exouniversal plane not having net zero energy
>Universe not being able to theoretically create itself in a perfect vacuum filled with nothing but spontaneously colliding quantum particles
chimpwit

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Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 03:50:37 No.12368608 Report

Quoted By: >>12368633 >>12368678

>not a single contemporary theory can expain the origin of the universe
Are physicists even trying?

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Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 03:56:59 No.12368633 Report

Quoted By: >>12368650

>>12368608
Because they literally cannot. If they could think of a single answer they’d use it but they can’t. Everything goes back to a creator or you just throw science out the window and say things can materialize themselves out of thin air

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 03:57:56 No.12368635 Report

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>>12368430
Yes. What >>12368466
And >>12367484
Said. That doesn't work for me that god was always there and I'm not even disrespecting God. If he exist, he must play by his own rules. Otherwise, he'd be able to defeat himself. He'd probably do it out of boredom. Infinity is long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 04:02:35 No.12368650 Report

Quoted By: >>12368657 >>12368658 >>12368695

>>12368633
It's so evident that a purely mechanistic model of the universe is completely absurd yet atheist fags keep beating their chest about it because if there is no God it means they can fap to furry transexuals

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 04:04:43 No.12368657 Report

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>>12368650
what if the correct religion demands fapping to furries on a regular basis?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 04:04:44 No.12368658 Report

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>>12368650
projection, the post

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 04:12:04 No.12368678 Report

Quoted By: >>12369003

>>12368608
It was always there. That's the answer. Forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 04:18:05 No.12368695 Report

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>>12368650
sorry your pastor tells you that you can't fap to furry transexuals, that must be really hard for you

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Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 06:20:56 No.12368974 Report

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>>12366414
>the universe created itself
>nothing is created or destroyed
>you can't creates something from nothing
>but you can take something and try to destroy it forever

So the universe is is basically the biggest failure at suicide.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 06:41:19 No.12369001 Report

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>>12366414
I present to you an alternative solution.

>Energy cannot be created or destroyed
>Therefore, if you built a time machine, and went back in time to find the creation of matter/energy you will not find it
>the universe spans spans back toward infinity
>there was no room for a beginning to create matter or energy in the first place

There, all done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 06:42:30 No.12369003 Report

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>>12368678
>steady state
No sweetie

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 06:44:14 No.12369008 Report

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>>12366414
big crunch in the house nigga

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 06:44:54 No.12369009 Report

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>>12366414
>the universe created itself
>or
>time doesn't act the same everywhere
pick one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 06:51:48 No.12369031 Report

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_demon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 07:06:08 No.12369052 Report

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>>12366566
>Falsely implying the universe was created

This. /thread.

Universe did not begin. It always was. Carl Sagan believed this too, fyi.

Big bang was only localized, like a bubble in an infinite champaign

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 07:09:04 No.12369061 Report

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>>12367429
>Fails the second law of thermodynamics

This is a meme that only fundamentalist evangelicals believe, and those too stupid to ever think critically about it.

The universe is not on an absolute value scale. Real-number scale, positive AND negative. Point is, the Universe, similar to fluid, can have NEGATIVE pressure which manifests as gravity and other forces.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 07:25:14 No.12369093 Report

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>>12366414
Consider this:
If the laws of physics and time itself didn't exist before the Universe existed, then how can we possibly """see""" anything before Event One, to what was before/caused Event One/however you want to look at it?
Also:
>Energy cannot be created or destroyed..
That's a Physical Law of our Universe. If those Laws didn't exist before this Universe, then your point is moot.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 09:55:14 No.12369423 Report

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>>12366510
>thermodynamist
What the fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 10:03:20 No.12369439 Report

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>>12366414
The microscopic world ignores entropy. So you have a false premise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 10:07:59 No.12369447 Report

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>>12366414
It's obviously neither, undergrad.
Energy isn't conserved in GR and we don't know whether the universe was created.

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