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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 14:01:39 2020 No.12366032 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12366035 >>12366067 >>12366094 >>12366237 >>12366254 >>12366578 >>12367287 >>12368156

Alright, it’s that question again; would your mind uploaded to a machine still be you, consciousness and sentience still in tact, or would it just be a copy of you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 14:05:16 No.12366035 Report

Quoted By: >>12366348 >>12367287 >>12367322

>>12366032
It doesn’t matter. The person you were last hour likely, last day very likely, last month for sure is dead.
Uploading your mind (successfully) doesn’t make any difference

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 14:17:26 No.12366059 Report

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my uncle hooked 50 amps to my grandmothers computer and grabbed the motherboard in his bid for immortality.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 14:19:56 No.12366063 Report

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The right choice
>become immortal machines in the physical world
>colonize the galaxy and beyond
The easy choice
>become digital entities
>waste away in VR paradise

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 14:21:41 No.12366067 Report

Quoted By: >>12366321

>>12366032
A computer copy of your brain is as much you as a clone would be, which is to say it's not you

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 14:35:01 No.12366094 Report

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>>12366032
>Fundamentally, there needs to be "bidirectional" thought for any transfer in order to preserve ego continuity. If we imagine a mind as like water or some fluid, and the brain as a vessel for it, then just "pouring" the mind into a new vessel doesn't preserve continuity; the new mind in the new vessel can't communicate back to old mind in the old vessel.
However, if we consider simply connecting the two vessels and siphoning the mind from one to the other (at whatever speed) while the new mind can talk to the old mind as the latter is transferred to the former, then continuity is maintained and death does not occur.
>Thus the Moravec Transfer/Gradual neuron replacement or the Mind Shift are viable methods for a mind upload, but those two methods are far harder to achieve than simply creating a copy of one's mind. The Moravec Transfer only changes the substrate and the Mind Shift requires a full understanding of your own internal processes (autosentience).

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 15:37:10 No.12366237 Report

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>>12366032
We don't know nothing about conciousness as individuals except that we have it. And we infer that other individuals must have it because of similarities but have no way to know this.

Anything beyond this is speculation and philosophy. What I stated above is 100% of all the objective scientific knowledge humanity ever had about conciousness.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 15:46:41 No.12366254 Report

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>>12366032
Copy.
Next

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 15:47:58 No.12366257 Report

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>>12366254
Morvec Transfer. Gradual Neuron Replacement or Mind Shift.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 15:52:38 No.12366268 Report

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>>12366257
Slow copies are still copies. Next.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 15:56:17 No.12366277 Report

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>>12366268
Then you too are a copy. Neurogenesis continously replaces your brain cells with clones of themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 16:15:53 No.12366321 Report

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>>12366067
if i kill you but immediately bring about a perfect clone of you, what part of you has failed to survive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 16:28:15 No.12366348 Report

Quoted By: >>12366405

>>12366277
>>12366035
yeah, but its me in the end, my body changed cells everytime but it doesn mean that im a different person, not for my familiy nor for my friends. This is conscience or i am retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 16:30:56 No.12366354 Report

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>>12366063
Those are not mutually exclusive. But only doing the second me one would lead to destruction of self sooner.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 17:00:09 No.12366405 Report

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>>12366348
You are the byproduct of continous process occuring in your brain. The gradual mind upload does not stop this process but hijacks it to another substrate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 17:07:57 No.12366423 Report

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>>12366268
The Moravec Transfer does not slowly copy your mind but gradually replaces the substrates it operates on without harming the processes. Brain cells die and get replaced, we could use nanomachines to take over their functions. And in the case of the mind shift no copying occurs at all but an addition of digital brain mass and we hijack the remodling ability of the brain to force it to grow its fundamental mind processes outside its analog aspects. The mind shift is vastly more complicated than the gradual neuron replacement but if the 1000 brain model of the mind holds true it will be a viable method to become digital.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 18:12:20 No.12366578 Report

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>>12366032
we don't understand the nature of the mind, and we don't know how to make a machine that could house the mind. So it's kind of an unanswerable question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 21:44:01 No.12367287 Report

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>>12366032
>>12366035
It makes difference, it's never truly you.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Nov 2020 21:54:03 No.12367322 Report

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>>12366035
Have you ever lost consciousness?

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Anonymous Sat 21 Nov 2020 01:43:03 No.12368156 Report

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