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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 00:45:44 2020 No.12351921 View Reply Original Report

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What's the full picture of weight gain and weight loss science, in terms of optimal body composition? It seems to me that "CICO" is the first commandant of broscience and leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to understanding how to lose fat.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 00:48:34 No.12351931 Report

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>>12351921
full picture: CICO
if you burn more calories than you put in, then you necessarily burnt body mass

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 01:05:12 No.12351997 Report

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>>12351931
Yes, I'm pretty clearly and obviously talking about fat loss and fat distribution. How big of an explosion something makes is retarded for the metric of proper body composition, and if your like it is you're either disingenuous of an idiot.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 04:54:15 No.12352954 Report

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>>12351921
CICO is brought up so much IMO because it's good enough. In reality we dont actually know how much calories people absorb from each food so you can sometimes find your weight loss not directly matching up with food labels but if you generally follow it, it works most of the time. It's simple, if you aren't losing weight either eat less calories or burn more

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 05:16:40 No.12353073 Report

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Calories as they're labelled on foods are exact for practical purposes with less than a 1% margin of error. The differences of macronutrients are accounted for in the calorie count. There's no better system unless you just want to be told a lot of bullshit.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 06:35:04 No.12353459 Report

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Beyond CICO/IIFYM is the autopoiesis of routine. Fatties get stuck in a loop of hormonal pleasure reinforcement from eating. There is a counter hormonal pleasure reinforcement from being in caloric deficit. Fasting disrupts the fatties homeostatis, whilst eating disrupts the fasters homeostatis.

Weight loss or gain is about sustaining CICO for weeks and months through routine. The secret is breaking into the routine of hormonal reinforcement for whichever mode you want to be in, usually that's by sticking with the routine until your endocrine system takes over, stopping the negative signals from not peforming the old routine, and switching to the pleasure reinforcement of new routine, and not breaking fast/surplus and disrupting the new hormonal pleasure pattern until your goals are met.

Beyond CICO is creating a system of routine between mind and endocrine system that is self-sustaining for weeks to months.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 11:05:36 No.12353939 Report

Quoted By: >>12354999 >>12355028

There seem to be two basic possibilities:
1. Something, such as a nutrient deficiency or a pollutant, prevents the body from burning fat
2. We have never evolved to process a major amount of fat in the first place.

Basically, there is a limited amount of fat that you can burn in a day and there is nothing you can do to burn more. You just need to eat less fat (total calories are fine) than you burn. Absolutely nothing else will work, you just need to avoid fat as much as possible.

In any case, sugar is a lie. You need to switch to carbs from fat in order to start losing weight, and the easiest way is to eat a lot of sugar. You will no longer feel hungry once you eat sugar.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 11:25:19 No.12353971 Report

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>>12353459
As above. The additional problem is that the amount of fat that you burn doesn't increase as you get bigger, which means that it becomes increasingly harder to stay below the limit. Hence the sugar (or starch) to break out of the loop, at least until your caloric consuption drops to the level where staying below the fat limit is easy with regular food.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 14:14:23 No.12354344 Report

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>>12351921
CICO is a thermodynamic rule, even the most genetically/hormonally fucked person has to obey it.
I have had diagnosed hypothyroidism for like 10 years and I have no problem maintaining a healthy BMI.
Just exercise and don't eat like a cow, it's literally that simple.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 14:16:09 No.12354348 Report

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>>12354344
>I have had diagnosed hypothyroidism for like 10 years and I have no problem maintaining a healthy BMI
Without medication, that is

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 14:27:49 No.12354386 Report

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>>12351921
yes cico is dumb. if you just ate 1800 calories of cake a day you'll probably be worse off han before you started 'weightloss'.

its diet...high quality protein (enough protein is important), cut out refined sugar where possible +good workout routine.

a more muscular body helps with fat loss (more energy to maintain), so good testosterone levels help.

Why is CICO dumb
> your body doesn't digest all calories equally

>The identity of the calories changes how you body responds to OTHER calories coming in eg - you are not full after drinking 500 kcals of coke/sprite, you are full after eating 200 kcals of carrots.

>The identity of the calories alters how and where they get 'stored' by your body. sugar -> fat a lot of the time etc etc

>where your calories come from ALTERS your mood. People boredom eat cheese puffs, feel shit, so order a pizza...viscious cycle. Classifying this as 'cico' is not very helpful.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 17:08:13 No.12354938 Report

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>>12351921
Literally just CICO, my dude. You can worry about macronutrients if you're stressing about perfect nutrition and fitness, but if you're just trying to slim down some, CICO.

If you're trying to build muscle, eat more calories than you're putting out, and try to make most of that have protein.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 17:10:11 No.12354952 Report

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>>12354386
CICO isn't the only rule of nutrition, it's the FIRST rule.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 17:21:13 No.12354998 Report

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The only big hole in CICO is digestive fibre. Your digestive system needs non/low-caloric ruffage and pre/pro-biotics to run well. Diet compliance will suffer over the weeks and months if you don't take into consideration the non-caloric functions of food.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 17:21:14 No.12354999 Report

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>>12353939
lol

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 17:26:24 No.12355028 Report

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>>12353939
Shoo shoo, corn syrup merchant

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 17:29:31 No.12355049 Report

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>>12354386
>yes cico is dumb. if you just ate 1800 calories of cake a day you'll probably be worse off han before you started 'weightloss'.
You can lose fat on any diet. Someone did a counter movie to Super Size Me when they lost weight and had better health metrics on an all-McDonalds CICO diet.

Sure there's more to diet than macros, but as the name suggests macros are the macro consideration.

The cake will have wheat, egg, and milk protein. It'll have plenty of fats and carbs. Make it a carrot or poppyseed cake and it will have fibre. You could CICO it for months and improve your health.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 17:49:23 No.12355162 Report

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>>12354999
>>12355028
I'm serious. Just try it.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Nov 2020 17:57:42 No.12355215 Report

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>>12351921
I'd like to point out to all those CICOfags that we get a lot of energy from the atmosphere. not to say that CICO isn't of primary importance, but it's only part of the energy we intake. the difference matters more for plants because a lot of their mass comes from the air

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Anonymous Wed 18 Nov 2020 01:23:08 No.12356813 Report

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>>12354386
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
Stop being an anti-science, straw man using retard. Literally no one believes that WHAT you eat isn't also important. But it's LITERALLY physically impossible to not lose weight when you eat fewer calories than you consume. This is not the X-men universe. Your genetics (or metabolism or whatever excuse you're thinking of) does NOT give you the power to violate physics.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Nov 2020 07:24:59 No.12357461 Report

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>>12356813
You can not burn the fat and die instead.
Yes, it isn't the X-men universe, where your body burns so much energy that it makes physics relevant. The reson you lose weight is because you pee and breathe it out. The amount of energy you burn amounts to tiny fractions of gram.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Nov 2020 08:05:32 No.12357538 Report

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>>12351931
low calories through out the day burns more muscle, but fasting burns more fat

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Anonymous Wed 18 Nov 2020 14:12:35 No.12358135 Report

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>>12351921
What should I do if I actually don't want to be thin and have body dysmorphia when my face thins out?

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Anonymous Wed 18 Nov 2020 15:17:48 No.12358296 Report

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>>12351921
CICO is a proven concept. adipose tissue is stored fat which provides energy when the body cannot source it from diet and other immediate reserves (liver/muscle glycogen, blood FFA, IMTG, etc.).

I you want to metabolism this reserve, you have to be in a caloric deficit. its pretty simple desu

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Anonymous Wed 18 Nov 2020 15:45:57 No.12358363 Report

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>>12357461
Hey buddy, when you burn calories you're breathing them out.

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