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Benford's law

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 09:14:50 2020 No.12310621 View Reply Original Report

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Could Benford's law prove the US elections were rigged?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 10:12:23 No.12310689 Report

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If you have fair and rigged Benford models then sure why not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 10:15:48 No.12310693 Report

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>>12310621
Stop making this thread retard, or at least read the Wikipedia page first.
>"...we find that conformity with and deviations from Benford's Law follow no pattern. It is not simply that the Law occasionally judges a fraudulent election fair or a fair election fraudulent. Its “success rate” either way is essentially equivalent to a toss of a coin, thereby rendering it problematical at best as a forensic tool and wholly misleading at worst."

https://doi.org/10.1093/pan/mpr014

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 12:02:00 No.12310834 Report

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>>12310693
https://doi.org/10.1093/pan/mpr024. Also that wikipedia entry got edited in right after the original dude on twitter ran his computations. cope more

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 22:21:55 No.12312727 Report

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>>12310693

It is true that there are many [maaaaaaaaany] time series that do not follow this distribution.

How funny that every candidate votes but Biden follow it, and that the past democrat counts also. :-)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 22:23:35 No.12312736 Report

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>>12312727
"Whether the tests are useful for detecting fraud remains an open question"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 22:33:57 No.12312766 Report

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>>12310621
Can you put Trump's for comparison

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 22:35:45 No.12312770 Report

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>>12312766
nvm, i'm blind

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 22:37:02 No.12312776 Report

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>>12312255
>>12312264
Please read the other threads on this topic and stop posting about it

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Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 22:42:45 No.12312790 Report

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>>12310621
The virgin benford follower VS the Chad Democratic Rollercoaster.

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Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 22:44:15 No.12312794 Report

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Guys, an anonymous edit to wikipedia has already debunked this. Stop talking about it.

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Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 22:51:46 No.12312811 Report

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>>12310621
>We use Benford's law that is actually an approximation of an statistical phenomenon that may pop up sometimes.
>Biden ballots don't follow it
>We already know that Benford's law is hardly absolute
/pol/ conclusion:
ELECTIONS RIGGGED. DEMOCRATS VOTE FRAUDING. TRUMP 2020 TRUUMPPPPPPPPPPP OUR ALT-RIGHT EMPEROR

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 22:54:57 No.12312820 Report

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There are still at least two other threads discussing this. Enough, homo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 22:55:35 No.12312822 Report

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>>12310621
there was a sting operation set up by the Trump administration to watermark the ballots. They are going to catch the commie dems regardless

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Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 22:57:28 No.12312826 Report

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>>12312794
>BA
>SA
>DO

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Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 23:10:03 No.12312857 Report

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>>12310693

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Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 23:21:23 No.12312882 Report

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>>12312736
Yeah that was edited apparently

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 23:31:42 No.12312913 Report

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Refuting Maga tards on this Benford shit implies educating them. It's a lost cause.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 06 Nov 2020 23:56:22 No.12312981 Report

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>>12310621
It simply proves it yet

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Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 02:58:44 No.12313545 Report

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>>12312794

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 03:00:06 No.12313547 Report

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>>12313545
I remember this image from 2010

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 03:01:06 No.12313549 Report

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>>12313547
I remember you from 2010, anon. How have you been this past decade?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 03:45:06 No.12313655 Report

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>>12310834
actually the opposite happened. that has been part of the wiki entry for benford's law for years, then after that twitter post people started editing it out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 03:49:38 No.12313658 Report

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>>12312811
C'mon man! It's evidence, not proof. Don't act like Bedford's law is the only anomaly.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 04:24:22 No.12313719 Report

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>>12312822
retarded wigger abbo europoid

even if there was a sting operation the rest of the gov would be in on it

the fact that trump is getting dumped by mitch mcconnell, fox news, and every other republican you can see, means that he has no power anymore. Even if the election was rigged, it was rigged with the consent of republicans

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Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 04:25:37 No.12313722 Report

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>>12310621
It was enough to take down Enron

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 04:25:52 No.12313724 Report

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>>12313719
>Even if the election was rigged, it was rigged with the consent of republicans
yes
This is not democrats versus republicans, it's establishment versus Trump

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 08:07:53 No.12314111 Report

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>>12312736
That's an oddly specific note

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 08:11:08 No.12314113 Report

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>>12313724
Establishment wants to maintain itself
Neither side really likes trump, and their entire authority is now under question
They have no choice but to turn on him

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 08:11:32 No.12314114 Report

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God i love watching all this conservative cope. This is even better than the liberal tears from 2016. it's fucking glorious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 08:53:03 No.12314175 Report

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>>12312794
kek, im gonna deboooooooooonk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 09:13:28 No.12314228 Report

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>>12312857
lol
>QUICK, CHANGE THE DEFINITIONS

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Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 09:15:38 No.12314233 Report

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>>12314228
lmao
>I'M GONNA DEBOOOOOOOONK

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 15:51:22 No.12314933 Report

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>>12313724
This. It's the reason dems didn't try to also rig the house and senate seats. They had Republicans consent. Republicans know how to rig too and would out them for treason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 15:54:45 No.12314942 Report

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>>12314933
dems sounds like demons haha

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 16:02:18 No.12314951 Report

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>>12310621
No you just need to calculate 2 to the power of what ever vote was purely for one candidate. But this allow might helps you find the cheated letters.
But you don't need it to proof it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 16:07:25 No.12314960 Report

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>>12314951
"auto-correction corrected my shit to unreadable"
Benfords law might allow you to fight the cheated votes faster as if you have to check everyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 16:14:40 No.12314971 Report

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>>12310621

Can someone explain what numbers they’re using for calculation? Total votes per county or what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Nov 2020 16:58:27 No.12315062 Report

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>>12310621
I don't believe in Benford's law. I think it's used to cloud the power of normal distribution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2020 01:00:17 No.12316468 Report

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>>12313658
No, it's not evidence any more than a coin toss is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2020 01:02:56 No.12316478 Report

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>>12310621
no

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2020 01:03:27 No.12316480 Report

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>>12310621
Yes, if you look at precinct data in heavy Dem districts, at the presidential vote level
>>12310693
Crunch the numbers yourself, I have as per pic related. The RSS isn't on your side

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2020 01:03:54 No.12316481 Report

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>>12316468
what a retarded thing to say

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2020 01:04:58 No.12316483 Report

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>>12316481
>https://doi.org/10.1093/pan/mpr014
"Its “success rate” either way is essentially equivalent to a toss of a coin, thereby rendering it problematical at best as a forensic tool and wholly misleading at worst."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2020 01:14:51 No.12316520 Report

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>>12310693
>>12316483
>https://doi.org/10.1093/pan/mpr014
>This essay

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2020 02:22:59 No.12316683 Report

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>>12313658
>empirically, some datasets appear to follow this distribution
>therefore failure to follow it is evidence of electoral fraud
I don't ask this to be rude, but do you know what "evidence" means?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2020 08:40:45 No.12317425 Report

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>>12313655
Low-quality shill. Maybe post an image of that next time

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2020 08:44:56 No.12317432 Report

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>>12316683
I was in washington DC once which is evidence that I committed every murder in washington DC during the time I was there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2020 08:46:16 No.12317433 Report

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>>12310693
Midwit take.
Many attempts have been made to disprove benfords law becuase it doesn’t “feel” right to midwits. But it’s even used in court cases.
I bet you can’t even write the proof for benfords law. Don’t criticize what you don’t understand

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2020 08:49:05 No.12317440 Report

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>>12312811
>We already know that Benford's law is hardly absolute
Not true.
>>12312736
> "Whether the tests are useful for detecting fraud remains an open question
Not true

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Anonymous Sun 08 Nov 2020 13:27:51 No.12317878 Report

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>>12310621
It could not definitely prove it but it could indicate irregularities IF APPLIED TO A LARGE SAMPLE.
A few hundred precincts is much too small of a sample to conclusively rule out random chance as the reason for the distributions in the OP image.
Pic related shows some randomly generated samples of size 500 that were generated with a multinomial distribution following Benford's law.

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