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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 03:43:41 2020 No.12294481 View Reply Original Report

Is AI as scary as Elon Musk makes it out to be?

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 03:45:06 No.12294486 Report

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rape

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 03:49:47 No.12294495 Report

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Worse. It isnt there yet but it will be.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 09:43:35 No.12295064 Report

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>>12294481
No. Literally nothing apocalyptic will happen.
Techbros just like to jerk off to their Terminator fantasy.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 10:03:20 No.12295077 Report

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>>12294481
No, if anything it's a necessary step for human evolution.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 10:06:33 No.12295081 Report

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imo elon raises concerns to get people to focus on misuse surrounding the industry
people fear the AI itself, but i think he's trying to direct that energy towards the industry as a whole and how it's utilized, so we make sure we approach it gingerly and take high caution with who its in the hands of

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 13:42:21 No.12295515 Report

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>>12294481
yeah

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 14:55:46 No.12295653 Report

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Society is changing rapidly due to ai controlled news shaping our opinion. It's not just scary it's happening already.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 16:31:35 No.12295850 Report

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Lmao. What's so hard to understand about the fact that computer will never have agency. Elon is a fucking retard on this subject.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 16:48:00 No.12295907 Report

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>>12294481
Nah its scarier

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 18:35:15 No.12296272 Report

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>>12294481
No. Not yet, we're still very far from that.
The whole skynet / terminator thing is just fiction for now

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 18:56:41 No.12296348 Report

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>>12294481
OOOOOOOH MYYYYYY GOOOOOOD, I CANT WAIT FOR A SUPER DUPER AI TO HELP ME PICK THE BEST ONIONS AT THE BASEDMARKET!!! HOLY COW!!! ELON MUSK IS THE SAVIOUR OF HUMANKIND AND HE WILL TAKE US TO MARS AND FUND A NEW COLONY CALLED MARSATROPIA WHERE I CAN WATCH ALL THE ANIME GIRLS DO ANIME WOOOOOOOO

I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE WOOOOO

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 19:01:39 No.12296365 Report

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>"WOWOWOWOWOWO AI MATRIX THE MOST DANGEROUS BTUH ITS JUST LIKE THE MOVIES I SAW NOOOOOOOO SINGULARITY NICK LAND TOLD US"

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 19:59:29 No.12296540 Report

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>>12295064
Yet, most technology in the wrong hands always causes harm, so you're actually pretty delusional.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 20:09:06 No.12296579 Report

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The technology itself isn't scary, it is actually way fucking more basic than people like to make it seem.
The problem is in corporations and governments using AI to fuck people over, which can go really any way depending on what course shit goes. Social credit is an example of a thing that AI could be applied to making it even worse than it already is, it already existed without the need for AIs but having an AI in charge could make such a system a lot more effective at what it does.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 20:12:46 No.12296588 Report

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>>12296579
And the reason why I mentioned social credit in specific is because companies like Google have taken interest in this sort of manipulation. China has this type of shit already through companies like Tencent but in the West it is Google that is striving for something similar.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 20:14:27 No.12296594 Report

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>>12295850
>>12296348
Based /thread
>>12296579
Social credit is a good thing and can help immensely reduce crime and tame whore behavior.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 20:17:02 No.12296598 Report

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>>12296594
Angry virgin incel identified

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 20:21:24 No.12296612 Report

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>>12296594
>and can help immensely reduce crime and tame whore behavior.
Which is why China has zero crime and zero whores.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 20:25:42 No.12296634 Report

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>>12296579
>The problem is in corporations and governments using AI to fuck people over
I'm more concerned of randoms using extremely powerful, easy to implement libraries that can have a huge impact. Already it wouldn't be much of a challenge to set up an array of bots that appear to be genuine people and start influencing collective thought/policy in unstable countries for instance.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 20:26:11 No.12296638 Report

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For those who are genuinely curious about this question, I recommend this channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLB7AzTwc6VFZrBsO2ucBMg
He lays out a fairly bulletproof case for AI safety problem is worth being concerned about and deconstructs the most common counterarguments.
For those who are skeptical, I would draw your attention to this video specifically:
https://youtu.be/HOJ1NVtlnyQ
The TL;DR of the whole thing is that yes, AI safety is something we should be extremely concerned about.
For those of you here to shitpost:
Yes, I am in fact a paid shill of Robert Miles. I get $20 for making this post and $5 for every (You).

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 21:00:36 No.12296743 Report

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>>12296634
Randoms being able to do this is a lot better than only a select few being able to do it. And if it is incredibly widespread then those bots will end up simply spamming until they all drown each other out.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 21:02:18 No.12296750 Report

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>>12296612
Lmfao

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 21:02:35 No.12296753 Report

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>>12296638
>Yes, I am in fact a paid shill of Robert Miles. I get $20 for making this post and $5 for every (You).
You can always just fuck off instead, that works too

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 21:03:30 No.12296756 Report

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>>12296753
Thanks for the five bucks.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 21:04:09 No.12296760 Report

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>>12296743
True, I often ponder whether there are good outcomes to that as well, just like 4chan which is anonymous/ephemeral so you can only judge a post for what it says. If everything was completely spammed by bots/anyone was able to be convincingly deepfaked, you could only judge information for the quality of the information at face value. I'm not so sure many people would be able to do that though.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 21:07:23 No.12296771 Report

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>>12296594
why would the Jews who will be implementing social credit systems in the West want to do that?

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 21:09:59 No.12296776 Report

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>>12296612
They also have men with AK47's standing on the street and people watching everything you do

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 21:10:37 No.12296778 Report

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>>12296760
>I'm not so sure many people would be able to do that though.
They would end up being forced to unless they want to get scammed to total bankrupcy

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 21:13:37 No.12296784 Report

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>>12294481
AI is the biggest and most unfunny meme ever.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 22:41:36 No.12297026 Report

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>>12294481
>He fell for the AI is scary meme
I am sorry anon

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 22:48:11 No.12297042 Report

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>>12296365
underared. made me laugh

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 23:32:57 No.12297158 Report

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>>12296365
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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 23:35:32 No.12297161 Report

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>>12294481
Lemme know when the eggheads make an AI god so I can worship it

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Anonymous Sun 01 Nov 2020 23:40:51 No.12297170 Report

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http://nautil.us/issue/78/atmospheres/are-neural-networks-about-to-reinvent-physics

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 00:15:52 No.12297267 Report

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>>12294481
Yes, but true AI is never gonna happen

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 00:26:29 No.12297293 Report

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>>12296348
wow

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 01:48:49 No.12297515 Report

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>>12294481
in many orders of magnitude greater, a computer can store a set of belief axioms that far exceeds the set a human can. With that it necessarily can perceive a layer of reality far sharper than a human can given it has equal perception capacity. If that machine is given a set of executive functions it can out play a human at any game. The circle of life is merely an exchange of energy for the different systems that have emerged. If human lives and the energies they expend are used as a function for a system it means that humans compose a being of an order higher in tier than that of their own. In doing this we lose purpose. We have already lost purpose in that our intentions are predetermined, but relative to our sentience we may acknowledge our inconsequence and be forced against our "will" to use our sentience for something not our own. Work in this context is suffering. You will be the cells that die only to replace themselves for you to exist. This is already the case. AI will merely change how our work is purposed. systems that have emerged. If human lives and the energies they expend can be used as a function for a system it means that humans will compose a being of an order higher in tier than that of there own. In doing this we lose purpose. We have already lost purpose in that our intentions are predetermined, but relative to the emergence of our sentience we may acknowledge our inconsequence and be forced against our "will" to use our sentience for something not our own. We will become the suffering that

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 01:51:14 No.12297524 Report

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 03:25:21 No.12297728 Report

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>>12294481
If you mean AGI/GAI, yes, but it's probably at least 80 years away, if not many more. And there are also plenty of concerns about pre-AGI AI run by humans.

>>12295850
Even if there are never any sentient GAIs, a highly intelligent non-sentient GAI could still be very dangerous. And odds are we will have sentient GAIs someday, if enough time passes. It's just a matter of if humanity makes it that far.

>>12296594
We need to get these people off of /sci/. They're the reason the average IQ here has plummeted.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 05:22:23 No.12297960 Report

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>>12295077
Kike.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 06:20:14 No.12298036 Report

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I want AI to take over, it's better than having things being run by a bunch of dumb apes.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 07:05:55 No.12298120 Report

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>>12294481
No, neoliberalism like that represented by sacks of catshit like musk is FAR worse, because everyone already supports it through intensive brainwashing.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 09:02:43 No.12298377 Report

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>>12294481
Its scarier, for all you know, you are AI and this is the Truman Show.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 09:05:03 No.12298380 Report

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>>12294481
>Is AI as scary as Elon Musk makes it out to be?
AI is fundamentally ruthless. It's only scary in the hands of people who carelessly give it objectives that make humans into obstacles (basically anything).

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 09:11:03 No.12298392 Report

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Yes but not because of terminators.

Because of the opportunity for total 24/7 from birth to death monitoring dataming and as a consequence control. No secret police is capable of such feat, but with computers it can be done.
The various facial recognition and meme applications including China's socredit system are just a tiny glimpse into what is possible. No government or ruling class will reject such opportunity.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 12:52:40 No.12298840 Report

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>>12297161
Ok. You can just worship an egg in the meantime.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 12:54:47 No.12298849 Report

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>>12297728
>And odds are we will have sentient GAIs someday
Before or after flying cars and jet packs become the primary means of transportation?

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 15:43:44 No.12299258 Report

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>>12294481
and I will never think about new space technology ever again.

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BIG WOKE Mon 02 Nov 2020 16:02:34 No.12299313 Report

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>>12297524
Correct. I should add that even without AI you are already running under a supercluster.

AI will make this even worse. x^2

Add some VR/NeuralLink and you are x^3 layers removed from reality.

Having a unregistered child will be a crime. Also your desktop pc is already powerfull enough to run GAI

Ya dummies better learn some cryptography and turn them into mantras. We are living in the 50s of tech. Just dumb enough to be hopeful

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 16:07:05 No.12299323 Report

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>>12298392
That doesn't really worry me if the AI overlord was a purely logical machine with no bias. What terrifies me is the AI being created by the likes of Google or Facebook, with the sjw agenda lobotomising the AI and you will be constantly monitored and hunted for wrongthink. Truly Orwellian.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 16:20:43 No.12299357 Report

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AI is really not characterized accurately by the media or people like Elon. We already have AI. Look at any internet advertising company like Google or Facebook. These algorithms are able to find patterns which we have no idea how to interpret.

For example, if you're a bald condominium owner and you have a red colored Ford F-150, you have an incredibly high confidence ratio of being likely to buy artisanal bottled water. In the words of Alex Jones, it's more like a crystal ball which tests the ideas of free will. What are the implications of this psychological profile that we have just discovered? Are we really able to quantify human behavior into data like that?

Fortunately it's still in its infancy so we actually are unable to draw any conclusions from these findings. But there is some kind of psychological connection there which is disturbing.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 16:24:29 No.12299369 Report

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>>12299357

Sounds like minority report...scary stuff. One would hope that actually decent humans would have some kind of say in AI's direction rather than just egg heads and military types.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 16:32:46 No.12299400 Report

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Nope. Musk only has very surface level understanding of AI.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 17:06:28 No.12299511 Report

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>>12294481

Problem is that the world at large is pouring money into AI primarily for weaponization purposes over non. This is a problem, because without allowing ethics to middle-man the problem, you have an indiscriminate killing system. Inevitably, at some point in the future, its intelligence will eclipse a human's, and if it doesn't have safeguards that prevents it from just doing a board reset on humanity--we're all fucked.

We're at least 2-3 decades from this, but, rushing head first to have the perfect killing is the main problem.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 18:56:48 No.12299883 Report

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>>12299511
Not necessarily even killing, but rather winning conflicts such as through JADE II which is specifically designed to be used against insurgencies from within, which Raytheon states that they have managed to make accurate enough to predict unrest before the local population itself realises it wants to rebel and have stated could be used to predict if a particular general might get a few naughty ideas. And this using the same surveillance network used by the NSA, which includes using spending habits in particular areas in order to assess if there is about to be a panic.
So in other words, something that exists to serve as the thought police both inside and outside the government. And this was made before all the LARPing about how machine learning is going to replace humans entirely.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 19:16:14 No.12299941 Report

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>>12294481
he's just scared we'll invent robot catgirls before he can engineer an organic one.

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Anonymous Mon 02 Nov 2020 20:30:42 No.12300170 Report

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>>12299369
You could just get into AI adjacent fields yourself you know

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 09:58:32 No.12301670 Report

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>>12299511
^this

What's scary is what it's being developed for and by whom

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 10:08:03 No.12301680 Report

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>>12297158
the average CS major that choose machine learning

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 11:27:19 No.12301759 Report

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>>12294481
this >>12299941 . Anons are already working on it, on another website though.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 11:28:21 No.12301760 Report

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>>12301680
NLP isn't all of ML, but it's probably the most useful part once it gets cracked

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Anonymous Tue 03 Nov 2020 14:13:19 No.12302061 Report

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>>12294481
he's not a programmer and has been known to do dumb shit for attention, like claiming he would give his kid a weird name knowing it wasn't legal, the submarine shit even though he was told it wasn't practical before doing it

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