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Oxidative stress and free radicals

Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 17:28:32 2020 No.12239093 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12239268 >>12239377 >>12242454 >>12243375 >>12244155

Is there any way around this when it comes to cooking? Afaik, cooking any sort of oil has a disruptive effect on the oil and causes oxidative stress and free radicals that get in the body.

There are antioxidants, but apparently different ones have different uses.

Is it best to just stick to eating raw, or doing things like co2 extractions of oil, and consuming that as opposed to cooking, boiling, teas, etc?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 18:16:47 No.12239244 Report

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Fuck u sci

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 18:23:18 No.12239257 Report

Quoted By: >>12239367 >>12239383 >>12244347

Explain this to me OP, things I eat can hurt me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 18:28:11 No.12239268 Report

Quoted By: >>12239372

>>12239093
Dude glucose puts oxidative stress on your cells

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 18:59:43 No.12239367 Report

Quoted By: >>12244013 >>12244347

>>12239257
Of course. A lot of what and how we eat causes damage.
In this particular topic, consider something like an apple or an avocado. When exposed to oxygen, they oxidize. This oxidation is oxidative stress and causes free radicals with imbalanced electron charges to enter the body. The free radicals steal electrons from other molecules they come across in the body. Those molecules steal from the next, on and on and on. This leads to cell damage.
Here's a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZRAUO51Wf8

The human body is a marvel at regeneration, and completely capable of immortality, but it must be able to continually rejuvenate itself. This is part of the reason for sleep.

Antioxidants can balance out these free radicals, but there are many antioxidants that function in many different ways, so we simply don't know enough.

I like to act preventatively, by reducing free radicals in the body. A number of things will cause free radicals, not just food.

There are many oils that act in many ways. Afaik, all plant life contains oils, or fats. These fats become oxidized through exposure to heat, oxygen, and light. This is why cold-pressed oils are preferred, as there is no heat processes involved, albeit there is generally still exposure to oxygen.

There is a method called "CO2 extraction" which prevents heat, oxygen, and light from coming into contact with the oil extraction.
Here's a short video. (he heats the plant first, which I would personally avoid)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxzMpLfEzjw

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 19:00:45 No.12239372 Report

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>>12239268
Carbs are the golden child of the pharma industry.
Carbohydrates should come from plant fibers to avoid glucose damage.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 19:01:39 No.12239377 Report

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>>12239093

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Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 19:04:22 No.12239383 Report

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>>12239257
There is also a technique called "vacuum blending" which creates a vacuum in the blender to significantly reduce the amount of oxidative stress that the plants experience.

Ever notice how after some smoothie types, it causes a lot of gas and bloating? Or after eating -cut- up fruit?
This is generally because of the oxidation undergone by the plant.
Think of the exterior of plants as little protection pods. Plants consume CO2 after all, and their "exhalation" is oxygen. CO2 is essentially "waste" to us, the same way oxygen would be to them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 19:06:26 No.12239390 Report

Quoted By: >>12239735 >>12239745

>>12239377
There's a ton of antioxidant types. AFAIK, you can't just eat "an antioxidant" and poof, all your free radicals have a source to balance them out.

As stated, I'm commenting on preventative damage.
If I want to cook oil for food for some type of treat, then sure, having antioxidants at hand to balance this out is beneficial.
However, I'm speaking about preventing, or minimizing oxidation from the get go.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 19:22:54 No.12239450 Report

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bump

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Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 21:02:39 No.12239735 Report

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>>12239390
I literally told you how.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 21:03:43 No.12239745 Report

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>>12239390
Google the image.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 21:36:13 No.12239866 Report

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>>12239745
shit this is above my pay grade
it's gonna take me a hot minute to understand this
thanks tho, i'm reading

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2020 23:42:56 No.12240452 Report

Quoted By: >>12241397

>>12239377
Thus, SOD is an important antioxidant defense in nearly all living cells exposed to oxygen. One exception is Lactobacillus plantarum and related lactobacilli, which use a different mechanism to prevent damage from reactive O2?.

Do you know much about that last bit? I've been considering fermenting much of my foods.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Oct 2020 07:13:08 No.12241397 Report

Quoted By: >>12242526

>>12240452
That is not the important part at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Oct 2020 18:17:10 No.12242454 Report

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>>12239093
Tomato is good antioxidant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Oct 2020 18:39:34 No.12242526 Report

Quoted By: >>12244685

>>12241397
Yes I did some reading on SOD. Looks promising so far but I still feel like this stuff is a bit out of my league so it's taking awhile to digest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Oct 2020 20:06:47 No.12242734 Report

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Saturated fats do not cause oxidative damage. So cook with coconut oil. Although organic butter is pretty good too. Sugar also causes oxidative stress, if your sensitive you will probably feel the fructose toxicity in your liver from eating 4 bananas. Although not everyone can feel their liver.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Oct 2020 23:23:43 No.12243375 Report

Quoted By: >>12243962

>>12239093
Japanese people who become 100+ Do the following:

eat it raw

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 03:16:23 No.12243962 Report

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>>12243375
Yes this is essentially the path I've begun down. Or at least, in periods I am capable of eating raw.

However, even a smoothie, for example, while still considered raw, can create much oxidative stress.
Juicing, same thing.
You can juice most the greens around you, but oftentimes they can be extremely fibrous and difficult to digest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 03:26:51 No.12244013 Report

Quoted By: >>12244108

>>12239367
Humans cannot be immortal. We have no in-born solution for telomerase regeneration.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 03:59:47 No.12244108 Report

Quoted By: >>12244347

>>12244013
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2360127/

In conclusion, drink ur own piss.
That's not an insult but a health recommendation

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 04:15:22 No.12244155 Report

Quoted By: >>12244280

>>12239093
Cooking will oxide the unstable fatty acids, which will put a strain on your own antioxidant system. So let's say you eat the oils raw, and they're stored in your own fatty tissues. Your body is warm enough that they will oxidize over time, which means your body still has to devote resources to protecting them. As another anon pointed out, you can pretty much avoid this particular issue with saturated fats, which are very stable. Keep in mind that oxidative stress is probably necessary for normal cellular function, which may be why supplementing large amounts of antioxidants doesn't produce the results that might be expected.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 04:47:07 No.12244280 Report

Quoted By: >>12244349

>>12244155
>Your body is warm enough that they will oxidize over time
Wtf. Sub 100f body heat will oxidize oils with 250+ smoke points?

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Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 05:07:04 No.12244347 Report

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>>12239257
eating habits can, this is usually fatties coping and thinking that everyone else is just as brain damaged

>>12239367
>>>/x/

>>12244108
>drink a liquid full of waste byproducts to make your body work harder to expel those again
ok pee pee poo poo cuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 05:07:46 No.12244349 Report

Quoted By: >>12244354

>>12244280
Cooking oils go rancid just sitting at room temperature, much less at the temperature of the human body.

https://openventio.org/Volume1-Issue6/Oxidation-of-Polyunsaturated-Fatty-Acids-and-its-Impact-on-Food-Quality-and-Human-Health-AFTNSOJ-1-123.pdf

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Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 05:10:41 No.12244354 Report

Quoted By: >>12244406

>>12244349
How much oxygen exposure would fats undergo in the body?

Also PUFs, are the whole food counterparts alright? I hear a lot of trash talked on PUFs but I'm thinking it's mostly the extracted oils

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Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 05:25:32 No.12244406 Report

Quoted By: >>12244454 >>12244771

>>12244354
Polyunsaturated fats are really contentious for reasons besides oxidation (they're pushed hard by some as being healthy while others vilify them as the unhealthiest thing ever), but I think it's reasonable to assume that most oils are not great to be cooking with. Eating something like almonds, avocados, or olives is going to provide antioxidants like vitamin e plus other nutrients that will offset the potential negative effects. A cold pressed oil will also be better than heat extracted, maybe use a little for a salad dressing if you like, but don't cook with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 05:37:50 No.12244454 Report

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>>12244406
I've been eating chia seeds and I keep reading about people losing their shit on PUF in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 07:21:20 No.12244685 Report

Quoted By: >>12244909

>>12242526
>can you dumb it down please
Iron bad, manganese good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 08:22:44 No.12244771 Report

Quoted By: >>12244913

>>12244406
So how am I going to cook lean meats or roast veggies without any oils or fats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 08:49:38 No.12244826 Report

Quoted By: >>12244916

What do you guys think about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ8lOwJHVEA

In short
>Plants r bad
>You can get everything from meat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 09:28:11 No.12244909 Report

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>>12244685
Isn't this counterintuitive to everything we are taught?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 09:29:14 No.12244913 Report

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>>12244771
He already said saturated fats at stable
There's also tallow, butter, ghee

Or you can cook without fat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Oct 2020 09:33:17 No.12244916 Report

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>>12244826
First, every BODY is different. You really can't make sweeping claims about diets period.
This thread is about the behavior of fats themselves.

Second, people say "all things in moderation". I personally advocate "all obsessions in rotation". Just keep diet rotating. Listen to your cravings that are genuine cravings and not a mcfuckos commercial triggering you.
This is one of the most challenging things about diet and similar today. In the past, our intuition and instincts were able to tell us what we needed and what to do. Now a lot of that is largely hijacked by marketing.

Anyway. Rotate food, always.

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