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Why hasn't science accepted

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 08:25:22 2020 No.12206876 View Reply Original Report

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That the human species has more races?
Imagine ignoring

>Average heights,weights,body conformations
>Phenotypes and surface traits such as eye colour,skin colour,hair colour,face shape,ear shape,nose shape
>Cranial differences
>Brain size differences
>Different number of synapses (higher in whites and east Asians)
>Different IQ scores
>Different proneness to violence
>Different fucking genes

LOL. Imagine being so anti scientific as to deny all of these

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 08:27:23 No.12206877 Report

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>>12206876
because all of these things differ more inside a group than between them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 08:28:56 No.12206878 Report

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>>12206877
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin%27s_Fallacy

Lewontin's fallacy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 08:35:05 No.12206886 Report

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>>12206878
fallacy or not its still true

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 08:37:21 No.12206888 Report

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>>12206886
>Fallacy
>True

Imagine defending a fallacious argument LOOL. Get out of /sci/ ,PLS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 08:48:47 No.12206902 Report

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>>12206888
you are making a fallacy fallacy argument
thats right double fallacy nigger. i win

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 10:26:42 No.12207041 Report

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Science has accepted races, sjws haven't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 10:42:33 No.12207072 Report

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>>12206876
>imagine being so antiscientific that you use the term race which isn't used in Biology anymore scince 50 years

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 10:43:58 No.12207074 Report

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>>12207072
it is in china, india, japan and russia. Which biologists are you actually talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 10:44:47 No.12207078 Report

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>>12206876
Because phenotypic traits don't realy matter. All human ''''''races'''''' can breed together, therefore all humans are the same race.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 10:50:13 No.12207087 Report

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>>12207074
It's just wikipedia, but just read the first paragraph.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(biology)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 10:52:41 No.12207095 Report

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>>12207078
Lions and tigers can breed as well lol,does that make them the same species?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 10:55:15 No.12207100 Report

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>>12207078
I share the idea that all human races are of the same species, but we should remember that race != species, and breeding together != same species.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 11:01:26 No.12207117 Report

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a huge part of biology is systematization and that's what makes biology scientific. in taxonomy if you were to add another rank it needs to work on ALL life, not just humans. race might work on humans and even their animals but it doesn't work in most other species. that's why it remains as an informal rank at best.
humans are different since they are able to spread their main habitat far unlike any other species (which also means they need to adapt to said habitats), that's why the humans subspecies is more diverse than other subspecies than say a specific subspecies of elephants or ants. also humans population is big

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 11:06:24 No.12207124 Report

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>>12206876
PLEASE post more anime feet

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 11:07:55 No.12207126 Report

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>>12206876
my professor of genetics tried to demonstrate why races do not exist and it was so biased and self-contradictory to result embarassing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 11:22:19 No.12207145 Report

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>>12207078
That is the whole point of the subspecies classification

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 11:25:37 No.12207147 Report

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>>12207095
Their offspring is infertile, so they can mate, but not breed together.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 11:33:51 No.12207158 Report

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why is it so hard to admit that niggers perform considerably worse than whites or asians everywhere, everytime?
different hemoglobin types, propensity to disease and drug responses are observed. why can't intelligence/aggressivity (things already observed) be different traits between races as well?
> muh social discrepancies
> inb4 go back to /pol/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 11:38:22 No.12207163 Report

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>>12207145
Then give a coherent definition of race in the context of human biology.
I argue that since there are no barriers for geneflow for human ''races'', you can only make superficial non scientific distinctions between them.
And if you only care for some validation of your racism like OP does, don't talk about it being scientific.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 11:38:39 No.12207164 Report

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>>12206886
Do you even know what fallacy means?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 11:43:02 No.12207173 Report

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>>12207158
Never saw prove that niggers are dumber and you didn't either. Also you don't realy care for it being true, you just want to feel superior.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 11:47:28 No.12207180 Report

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>>12207158
Because it ruing the notion of "we're all equal" that shitlibs blindly follow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 11:52:44 No.12207187 Report

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>>12207180
*ruins

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 12:03:59 No.12207198 Report

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>>12207173
what?
I'm a Brazillian anon and even with all our shitty racemixing I can see and it was even proved at my medschool (the teacher that showed me his research was canceled 7 years ago, unfortunately) that niggers and indians will consistently perform worse if you have even 10% of whitey in you
> feel superior
Some people ARE superior, anon
Just like I am 5'11 king of manlets and there are taller guys
>>12207180
And people actually believe that equalist garbage

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Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 13:02:08 No.12207275 Report

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>>12206886
>fallacy
>true

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 13:06:52 No.12207281 Report

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>>12207180
If you are like veeryone, isn't that the same as being no one? If you are no one, are you in fact loved, by no one? In the pursuit of equality, if you are not to purge the low end, are you not left diminishing most members to the lowest common denominator?

Now you see the true meaning of "equality". The Standardized Man. The great clamp.

I would advise also watching the Twilight Zone episode "number 12 looks just like you".

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 13:32:13 No.12207326 Report

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Scientifically speaking, why do tights make women´s legs/feet look so much better? Specially for anime girls

Sage

Sage Thu 08 Oct 2020 13:48:23 No.12207350 Report

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>>12206876
Ok but what about climate change?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 13:54:41 No.12207359 Report

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>>12207126
I want to hear how these go, I've heard of them but I've heard them

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 14:09:53 No.12207386 Report

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>>12207326
It makes you see more of just pure silhouette.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 14:30:05 No.12207423 Report

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>>12206876
Because retards and midwits will use it to justify all sorts of atrocious behavior

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 16:11:33 No.12207792 Report

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>>12206876
Pls image source i need to cooooom

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 16:17:03 No.12207823 Report

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>>12206876
You have to take a hard look at human psychology. Humans dread to figure out they are inferior to other humans so they invent elaborate schemas to deceive themselves about "equality." It's unscientific and cowardly but humans enjoy doing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 16:18:19 No.12207828 Report

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>>12206876
More races than what? Your post is nonsensical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 16:24:30 No.12207850 Report

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>>12206886
Retards like this are allowed to post on this board. Go back brainlet

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 16:25:12 No.12207854 Report

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>>12206886
Anon needs to get back to middle school

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 16:26:12 No.12207859 Report

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>>12207158
>> inb4 go back to /pol/
go back to /pol/. you forgot
> inb4 retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 16:38:51 No.12207887 Report

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>>12206878
People who spout lewontins fallacy probably dont even understand the paper or that its not an actual logical fallacy, but the title of the paper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 16:45:21 No.12207898 Report

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>>12207887
This lmao, holy fuck when I read his post I was astonished. People really go around and cherry pick wikipedia articles instead of thoroughly analyzing what it is about and summarizing as a rebuttal for op post but instead he just posts the wiki page then acts all smug

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Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 16:47:29 No.12207902 Report

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>>12207859
nigger found

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 16:47:55 No.12207903 Report

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>>12206876
Who is this Saemen Daemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 17:54:55 No.12208174 Report

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>>12206877
I can't believe people still fall for this shit. Lewontin got debunked twenty years ago. Just find some new retarded talking point to peddle you idiots.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 17:57:58 No.12208184 Report

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>>12207898
lmao yes, you totally thoroughly analyzed all the relevant data mr. population geneticist before reaching your profound conclusion and typing the masterpiece in comment section of 4chan dot org: "because all of these things differ more inside a group than between them."

wow so much science I can't barely handle it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 17:59:06 No.12208192 Report

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>>12207198
What a source, anon. My english teacher in middleschool told proved once that you were a total fag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 18:15:01 No.12208293 Report

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>>12207275
A fallacious argument for a statement doesn't imply the statement is false. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 20:01:16 No.12208781 Report

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>>12206878
>Edwards argued that while Lewontin's statements on variability are correct
>Lewontin's statements on variability are correct
That's one.

>...that while Lewontin's statements on variability are correct when examining the frequency of different alleles (variants of a particular gene) at an individual locus (the location of a particular gene) between individuals, it is nonetheless possible to classify individuals into different racial groups with an accuracy that approaches 100 percent when one takes into account the frequency of the alleles at several loci at the same time.
Ah, prescribed groups may be 100% accurate according to the prescriptior. Want an easier way to have 100% accurate racial designations? Simply state that a person's race is the race they're classified as. Now you have a tautology. Edwards realignment of data is not so far off from such a gimmick.

>In Edwards' words, "most of the information that distinguishes populations is hidden in the correlation structure of the data."
It's just p hacking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 20:20:44 No.12208844 Report

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>>12208781
>>12206878
>[Dawkins] disagrees with Lewontin's conclusions about taxonomy, writing, "However small the racial partition of the total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are highly correlate with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance."
>by definition
And there it is again.

>they are by definition informative
So is a missile flare. More generally such flares are called "signal flares," as opposed to noise. That they are by definition informative does not make them anything short of a decoy.

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Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 20:34:37 No.12208885 Report

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>>12207326
accentuates shape and curves and raises allure with anticipation of ripping them off her in frenzied lust

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2020 21:15:38 No.12209039 Report

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>>12206876
Imagin putting your self on top of tops, not because you did something, but you're statistically similar to those who did something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 02:50:18 No.12210274 Report

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>>12208885
I have wondered for some time now... For people with a foot fetish, are all feet attractive or do they vary? Are there certain types of feet that are consistently hot or is any foot on an attractive girl good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 02:53:12 No.12210282 Report

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>>12206876
I'll let you have this only if you accept global warming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 05:07:13 No.12210527 Report

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>>12210274
I only like anime feet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 05:17:51 No.12210537 Report

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>>12206876
Those aren't factors in determining "races", although that isn't really a scientific term anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 05:34:27 No.12210557 Report

Quoted By: >>12210598

To the people who type "go back to /pol/" in these threads: do you actually believe in the 'we're all the same on the inside' idea? Even if you don't think humans should be classified into subspecies/races, surely you cannot be blind to the many physiological differences between people of different races? Anthropologists can tell the ethnicity of a person from their skeleton alone, for example.

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Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 05:37:31 No.12210560 Report

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>>12206877
>>12206878
>>12206886
THIS IS THE SAME SITUATION FOR ALL SUSPECIES IN EVERY SPECIES ON THE PLANET YOU DUMB NIGGER
the vast majority of genetic variation between subspecies is almost ALWAYS less than the variation shared between between the subspecies, in humans 5% of the variation is NOT shared between races, this is a standard genetic difference between subspecies you lying ignorant fuck

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Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 05:49:57 No.12210588 Report

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>>12206877
>>12206886
>>12206902
>>12207078
>>12207887
>>12207898
YOU DUMB OOGA BOOGA GORILLA NIGGERS.
The genetic difference between any two individuals of ANY TWO SUBSPECIES IN ANY ANIMAL ON EARTH is almost ALWAYS 95+% shared between the two subspecies group with only 1-5% of the genetic diversity between any two organisms accounted for by genes NOT shared between subspecies.
fuck off you popsci retards and learn some actual science before you spout that
>ERMMMM AKSHUALLY... only 3% of genetic diversity is not shared between races and 98% is shared
utter word manipulative horseshit that relies on a lack of understanding of how subspecies works

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Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 05:54:34 No.12210598 Report

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>>12210560
>>12210588
>>12206877
>>12206878
>>12206886
>>12206888
>>12207072
>>12207078
>>12206877
>>12208293
>>12208781
>>12210557
>>12210560
>>12210588
the genetic diversity Venn diagram of the races is perfectly in line with Venn diagrams of subspecies

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 09:22:37 No.12211022 Report

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>>12210598
>>12210588
More differences within than between

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 11:01:56 No.12211178 Report

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>>12206886
So this is the power of reddit intelectuals

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 11:11:00 No.12211196 Report

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>>12211022
U retarded nigger those are different subspecies of bacteria, there are more differences within than between in every subspecies on earth and the vast majority of species, there were more differences within than between homosapiens and homo erect is u dumb nigger fuck
The fact there is more differences within than between means literally fucking nothing considering that is the case comparing a human and a banana u brain dead fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 14:03:06 No.12211528 Report

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>>12211196
>considering that is the case comparing a human and a banana
No, it's not

>In the 1972 study "The Apportionment of Human Diversity", Richard Lewontin performed a fixation index (FST) statistical analysis using 17 markers, including blood group proteins, from individuals across classically defined "races" (Caucasian, African, Mongoloid, South Asian Aborigines, Amerinds, Oceanians, and Australian Aborigines). He found that the majority of the total genetic variation between humans (i.e., of the 0.1% of DNA that varies between individuals),
>of the 0.1% of DNA that varies between individuals
They are specifically talking about the area where variation is possible, and still in that area, there is more difference within than between. That is not the case for a human and a banana. Your claim is based off of that window being at 100%, three orders of magnitude wider.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 14:09:03 No.12211539 Report

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>>12210560
>>12210588
>>12210598
Because you're likely looking at the totality of their genetic code rather than the section in which distinction is actually possible. In that case, you could add bananas to your third image, and then bananas would qualify as a new race of human beings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 14:12:20 No.12211545 Report

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>>12207887
>>12207898
Same niggerfaggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 15:02:02 No.12211646 Report

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They have to bring in cheap labor from poor brown countries that our war effort has destroyed. If you investigate human differences in intelligence and you start correlating it by skin color, their mass immigration cheap labor scheme unravels fast. This is also why you get 5 to 10 years extra for calling a not white Gentile a mean name during a fight. You might otherwise get the idea that you don't have to change your community just because all the rich guys want new workers to exploit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 15:07:03 No.12211656 Report

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>>12211646
wow Trump was building the wall to save the Mexicans all along

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 15:30:22 No.12211722 Report

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>>12206877
Given enough time, and by enough lets say two centuries, within a population of 100 million white-skinned folks of 10th century European descent, and within a population of 100 million dark-skinned folks of 10th century Central African descent:

>what's the likelyhood that one of the former would spontaneously give birth to a rough approximation of the genetic composition of the latter, therefor discounting the observable differences among them, without any cross interaction whatsoever?

And before you answer with a pic of an Albino, no, that's still the exact same features common for Africa but with a melanin production impairment and is a genetic defect possible to occur in all vertebrates, not just humans, usually followed by further complications. Now the answer of this is of course obvious as this experiment has already been conducted by nature itself, the question is: if the answer to that question is "close to 0", and that the differences among these two groups are actually so severe that no spontaneous appearance of one of them happened in the other group so far, is it false to say that they are distinct by something? That that something is such a large factor that it does not take just one mutation's variation to cover the differences but multiple in succession? Isn't that the literal definition of a distinct race?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 09 Oct 2020 15:40:48 No.12211759 Report

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>>12211528
>He found that the majority of the total genetic variation between humans (i.e., of the 0.1% of DNA that varies between individuals),
Not that anon, but : it remains to be shown that this is not the case for species that are divided into subspecies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Oct 2020 00:25:24 No.12213174 Report

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>>12211528
Ok banana aside that is exactly what I just fucking said u retard, of the genes that vary between individuals within a species on a small percentage of those genes are exclusive to a subspecies see this and this>>12210588
>>12210598

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Oct 2020 00:28:30 No.12213178 Report

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>>12211528
Compare between the subspecies of wolves, of the .1% variation between them the vast vast overwhelming majority of those genes are shared between subspecies and a small percentage 3-5% is NOT shared, again I state, THIS IS THE CASE ON EVERY ANIMAL on earth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Oct 2020 00:31:46 No.12213184 Report

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>>12211528
Btw retard that is comparing just total whole genes not copy number variation ( how many copies of those genes) https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061123115741.htm
10% of our genome is different between ethnic groups in copy number, this is very fucking important

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Oct 2020 00:32:50 No.12213186 Report

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>>12211528
> New research shows that at least 10 percent of genes in the human population can vary in the number of copies of DNA sequences they contain -- a finding that alters current thinking that the DNA of any two humans is 99.9 percent similar in content and identity. This discovery of genetic variation is expected to change the way scientists think about genetic diseases and evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Oct 2020 02:57:28 No.12213489 Report

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>>12206876
They have. They're called populations because "race" is a loaded term.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 10 Oct 2020 03:27:25 No.12213548 Report

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>>12206876
>no teeth
why

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