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/sfg/ - Space Flight General - Vitamin C Fusion Torch Mountain Dew Edition

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 02:02:51 2020 No.12191109 View Reply Original Report

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Space Flight General...
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
PREVIOUS: >>12187966

UPDATES:
• Gravel transported to pad in Boca
• Some cranes removed in Boca
• Fling movement on SN8 have begun today
• Starship presentation in ~3 weeks
• An indian took a shit while thinking about how to optimize his Starliner code
• Senior software guy from SpaceX resigned to spend more time at home
https://twitter.com/kenners/status/1312180872481705987
• Blue Origin fixed a major problem with the break room coffee machine

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:05:44 No.12191112 Report

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Realistically speaking, what will communication between Earth and Mars be like?
Will Mars have its own separate internet (not in the strictly literal sense)?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:06:02 No.12191113 Report

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Also throwing this in as PREVIOUS because we had two threads up at once, this one hit the image limit though:
>>12185720

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:06:37 No.12191115 Report

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Ceres colony when?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:07:06 No.12191118 Report

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>>12191112
Mars would need its own internet network to maintain fast global communications. It would probably be connected to Earth internet through relays for emails and news which can work under delays.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:07:49 No.12191120 Report

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>>12191109
Based OP actually putting effort into the OP.
What do you guys think about my video?
https://youtu.be/1G_iuPsWgL4

Would you guys watch more videos about colonization? I might do one on how mars can help propel colonization of the Asteroid belt and outer solar system.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:10:29 No.12191124 Report

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>>12191109
Umm guys?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:12:11 No.12191127 Report

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Seventh for Nuclear Saturn V

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:13:37 No.12191129 Report

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>>12191118
We have to crack FTL communication so that people can shitpost in real time from all corners of the human empire.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:14:12 No.12191131 Report

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>>12191124
10/10

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:14:49 No.12191135 Report

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>>12191109
>Vitamin C
Have that shit in your food rations dumbfucks, 19th century sailors figured that out

>>12191112
>Realistically speaking, what will communication between Earth and Mars be like?
Probably Radio for a little bit then maybe a LASCOM constellation when things start growing
>Will Mars have its own separate internet (not in the strictly literal sense)?
Yes, Mars would have seperate computer networks. And likely you'll have seperate networks for public/private use and gov/life support use to prevent catastrophic attacks

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:15:03 No.12191136 Report

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>>12191129
Fine-tuned basement universe connected to all planets via wormhole when?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:18:02 No.12191143 Report

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>>12191112
yeah you would want your own local network plus connections to earth, basically what >>12191118 said
ideally you would probably have orbital relays around earth and mars handling the main jump with high bandwidth laser communications and then probably just hook them up into your normal networks through something like starlink
I imagine commonly used stuff like news would probably just be sent continously, and if you need something else you can request it and wait 10-30 minutes for it to get sent back up

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:26:45 No.12191168 Report

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>>12191136
Wormhole travel through a constructed universe where we're not breaking the speed of light, but the speed of light there is arbitrarily high compared to ours.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:36:20 No.12191191 Report

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>>12191168
You'd have to have armed space patrols in the pocket universe chasing out gamers, day-traders, and other lag-squatting vermin.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:39:02 No.12191197 Report

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>>12191109
Does /SFG/ want to go to space?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:41:33 No.12191205 Report

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depots haha

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:42:08 No.12191209 Report

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>>12191197
Helll yeah

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:42:49 No.12191210 Report

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:44:05 No.12191213 Report

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>>12191197
We’re already in space, anon.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 02:48:28 No.12191225 Report

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Do DMT on Mars and consult the Machine Elves for guidance

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:00:51 No.12191248 Report

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Reminder that no matter who wins in November NASA is going to be left unsupported by the senate and white house as they will be setting the stones for the next presidential successor and securing perks and the Democrats will actively dismantle any achievement made over the past 4 years out of political spite whether that be from the house or the oval office and we will have to pray that the private industry can continue unimpeded by using Obama's original private space mandate as a shield.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:02:43 No.12191253 Report

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>>12191248
ok retard

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:05:15 No.12191257 Report

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>>12191197
YES, why else would we be here?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:06:50 No.12191263 Report

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>>12191248
Trumps gonna win tho

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:10:20 No.12191275 Report

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>>12191197
is that even a question?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:10:40 No.12191277 Report

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>>12191120
I found it kinda boring.
You don't really got the enthusiasm of scott manly or everyday astronaut nor do you have the biting cynicism of angry astronaut.
Get a personality.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:13:57 No.12191288 Report

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>>12191248
All fake lol

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:20:27 No.12191309 Report

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>>12191263
He's likely a goner at this point.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:24:26 No.12191316 Report

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>>12191309
nah he's fine

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:24:42 No.12191319 Report

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What would be a good fission reactor design for a spacecraft? Would SC CO2 turbines be better than a stirling engine because it can convert more heat to electricity? We need an answer

>>12191309
Unless he becomes Corona-chan's mortal champion

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:25:08 No.12191321 Report

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>>12191120
>>12191277
Hullo videos are good. I like that he shows his face and does it in one take. If he fucks up a sentence or something he keeps it in, and it helps that he really knows what he's talking about. Pre-recorded monologue videos really only work well for something like cosmos where you are trying to make a film for the sake of filmmaking. If you want to do a "here's the space news of the week" show you face, get a personality, and try to think what you could bring to the table that people like Hullo or Estrogenastronaut or the million other space youtubers couldn't deliver. Constructive criticism don't take it too seriously

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:38:30 No.12191357 Report

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>>12191248

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:45:56 No.12191373 Report

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Well after a lot of trying I got a Rvac powered spaceplane off the runway, to space and to 5km/s. Reentry was a disaster because my RCS was all fucky, but I verified my concept of hiding balloon tanks leeward of procedural wings. Logical next step is more RCS, bigger spaceplane and more RVacs.

Or surrendering to the rocket equation and adding some sort of "staging".

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:46:56 No.12191374 Report

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>>12191373
>Logical next step is more RCS, bigger spaceplane and more RVacs.
Post pics if you get it to orbit.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:53:15 No.12191386 Report

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>>12191373
>Adding some sort of "staging".
You already know the answer to this Anon.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:54:42 No.12191390 Report

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>>12191386
Literally so sexy, I'm going to try and make this in KSP myself. Which mod lets me land both stages? MechJeb?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 03:59:38 No.12191405 Report

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>>12191386
>Tfw no femdom Energia core surrounded by her harem of Shots Zenits

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:00:51 No.12191410 Report

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Bros...I finally fapped today, and do you know what? I think Jessie is is woke slut dyke narcissist and I am appalled at my previous hornyposts. I apologize brethren, I now maintain clarity

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:01:40 No.12191413 Report

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>>12191390
Flight Manager for Reusable Stages if you want to pilot both

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:02:10 No.12191415 Report

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>>12191390
There was some mod for reusable vehicles, it would exactly let you land both at once, but it could allow you to recover a booster instantly so long as the booster had the characteristics (delta V mainly) to return it safely to the ground.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:03:27 No.12191419 Report

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>>12191410
Now do the same to the lefty blonde chick.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:04:31 No.12191420 Report

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>>12191419
Pff I hate blondes

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:05:39 No.12191422 Report

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>>12191420
Don't reply to me ever again, you gay baby.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:14:39 No.12191436 Report

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Does anyone have a guess about how much New Shepard costs to fly? I’m not talking about the ticket price, I mean the vehicle. Just pure speculation I mean. It seems like $1.5 million in tickets is enough to cover the marginal + maintenance cost of the vehicle.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:20:15 No.12191440 Report

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>>12191405
Is there any hope of reviving energia?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:22:43 No.12191443 Report

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>>12191440
Maybe if the US declared we would only respect space neutrality for countries with reusable launch vehicles after Starship worked.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:23:59 No.12191448 Report

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>>12191443
Why would the US do that when not even they give a shit about reusability?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:24:30 No.12191453 Report

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>>12191448
as an excuse to shoot down China's satellites

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:25:10 No.12191455 Report

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>>12191443
Would be based but highly, highly unlikely. ICBM's and such will always be there. I wish there would be a rule against space junk though

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:25:48 No.12191458 Report

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>>12191453
But that would give china an excuse to shoot down american satellites.
Seems like a dumb escalation with benefits for no one.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:26:28 No.12191459 Report

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>>12191455
>I wish there would be a rule against space junk though
"China and India are never allowed to launch again" would solve like 90% of the problem.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:29:00 No.12191464 Report

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>>12191459
Isn't india making a reusable rocket already?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:32:29 No.12191471 Report

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>>12191464

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:37:07 No.12191475 Report

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Don’t be mean to India guys

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:40:12 No.12191476 Report

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Why is spice the key to spaceflight in Dune? Also why are people eating it, like don't eat the fuel man.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:40:23 No.12191477 Report

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>>12191464
No, they're basically making their own X-37b

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:42:08 No.12191480 Report

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>>12191476
Dune's backstory is basically that luddites won a war against robots and technological society. They do their computation with the aid of people with more powerful brains called Mentats. Their FTL astrogation requires even more brainpower than a Mentat can handle so there's a dedicated Spacers' Guild full of brainlord mutants floating in spice-doped liquid tanks that steer their ships between the stars.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:43:39 No.12191486 Report

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Is the ISS going to livestream their receiving the Cygnus?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:43:44 No.12191487 Report

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>>12191480
Sounds like it heavily inspired the Navigator Guilds in 40k, which also has a similar backstory war which resulted in AI being illegalized

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:44:42 No.12191488 Report

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>>12191487
yeah 40k is a dune fanfic

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:45:56 No.12191490 Report

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>>12191488
>1488
Digits confirm.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:47:07 No.12191491 Report

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>>12191488
It’s not an absurd suggestion to create hyperintelligent genetically enhanced people to perform computation otherwise done by machines, but to me it seems even more likely that they’d run off with their own motivations and do their own thing, even subjugate other humans.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:51:34 No.12191499 Report

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>>12191491
You should read Dune.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:55:29 No.12191503 Report

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>>12191436
Well, it's a third the size of Falcon's first stage, assuming it isn't radically more expensive compared to Falcon because it's Blue Origin, we might assume it to be maybe 5-7 million dollars to construct. If it's refurb costs are also similar to Falcon (1/10th of marginal) then it will cost about $500,000-700,000 a flight to refurbish. So yeah, if it makes 1.5 million in tickets it might make $800,000-1,000,000 in profits per flight, meaning it will take half a dozen or so successful flights with no extra refurbishment or major repair for it to pay for itself.
Average Falcon 9 cost per flight is 57 million, minus the 15 million marginal to construct the rocket and the 1.5-ish million to refurbish it means that it will pay for itself and two more whole Falcon 9s with every single flight. Even if SpaceX drop the cost all the way down to the 30 million range, every successful Falcon recovery will generate enough revenue to spawn an entire new Falcon, and every subsequent reuse after that will generate enough revenue to spawn two new Falcons.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:56:59 No.12191505 Report

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>>12191480
Lmao ok I know the first half from reading the first book. Frank had a vivid imagination it seems

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 04:58:02 No.12191506 Report

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>>12191499
I read it last year but didn’t make the connection to 40k until just now

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 05:15:18 No.12191532 Report

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what rocket has used the largest number of stages to get to orbit

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 05:21:55 No.12191545 Report

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>>12191532
FIVE. All solid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minotaur_V

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 05:22:07 No.12191546 Report

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After failing to go bigger I decided to go smaller, this is a Merlin 1Dv space plane on top of a 3.7m Raptor 3 stage

Haven't flown it yet (or done RCS or polished aero) but the numbers work

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 05:27:24 No.12191556 Report

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>>12191464
You figure India would be leading at Metalox/Solid hybrid rockets.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 05:29:10 No.12191560 Report

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>>12191545
Look how fast it gets off the pad. Pure kino
https://youtu.be/3RLOB9EwVrc?t=14

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 05:35:10 No.12191568 Report

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>>12191560
based and icbmpilled

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 05:39:24 No.12191573 Report

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>>12191546
Your staging velocity is gonna probably be too high for booster recovery but that's the dilemma you hit when trying to keep spaceplane size under control. Spaceplane reentry in RO is one of the hardest things in the game so good luck with it anon.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 05:58:22 No.12191612 Report

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>>12191321
>show face
related content is a perfectly good substitute
isaac arthur never shows his face in his videos, yet he's consistently more viewed than most channels
the only exception to the face rule is the livestreams

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:01:15 No.12191616 Report

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>>12191612
Isaac Arthur's speech defect and overuse of stock CGI footage are the only knocks against his channel. The content is pretty good.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:10:51 No.12191626 Report

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>>12191616
the early videos definitely had those problems, but now his defect is almost entirely gone as he's gotten a trainer to help get rid of it, and now much of his footage is custom made
the power of having cash to throw at production quality

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:36:54 No.12191647 Report

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>>12191016
just make bigger telescopes, dumbass

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:38:10 No.12191650 Report

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5 tons payload, 3 raptors, 1 Mvac, 2 crew

its c u t e

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:39:52 No.12191652 Report

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This board is trapped in a literal fucking timeloop.

Seriously, you guys will drive me absolutely nuts. Every day the same copypastas, the same bullshit, the same pseudo-scientific manic fucks thinking superficial or even undergrad levels of academic knowledge grants them the right to have an opinion.

The same fucking LOONIES that keep posting the same fucking threads over and over again : schizoanon and his fucking riemann hypothesis vixra paper, the endless stream of 0.999 =/= 1 memes, and let us not, on any circumstances, forget about the closeted, mandingo-obsessed /pol/fags who somehow constantly manage to find a way to segue into BBC and black men in porn, no matter if we're discussing biology, antenna engineering or fucking quantum physics.

And let us not forget the slowpokes that keep posting the same articles, pictures, documentaries and years old unoriginal content, even though we discussed the same retarded subjects for years on now.

Every day that I come in here, I feel like i'm living a retarded, autistic version of Groundhog Day.

So please, PLEASE. Share some OC, once in your fucking time. Please stop acting like fucking NPCs. If we don't find a way out of this soon I'm gonna lose it. Lose it - it means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of one's faculties, three fries short of a Happy Meal, WACKO!

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:40:58 No.12191654 Report

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>>12191652
Nigga /SFG/ is like the only good thread on Sci, ever.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:42:06 No.12191655 Report

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>>12191654
Why do you keep posting these images

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:43:14 No.12191660 Report

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>>12191655
Wrong picture sorry

>>12191652
/SFG/ is like the only good board on Sci. The rest is just schizo shit and racebait

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:44:12 No.12191665 Report

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>>12191650
Shilling this from last thread, clearly against >>12191652 's wishes, but your ksp ship looks like the little guy right here. Also with regards to the "same shit" on the board... yes I don't disagree. The copypastas get old quick. I went back to the archived spacex general when elon first announced starship and the amount of OC was everywhere. Really fun times I almost forgot about it. But ehh I find /sfg/ comfy and everytime I make a thread (such as this one) I try to keep the images as OC. Starship is cool and all but having a blurry labpadre pic as the edition gets old quick. But quit your bitching just post more OC yourself and you are self correction the problem

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:52:46 No.12191682 Report

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>>12191665
Hmm same anon here but I think this is probably a shitty example. The editions I usually go with aren't as bad as this one. I made this thread as a sort of jab at the assholes who constantly talk about fusion torches. It's not that it shouldn't be allowed. Its that we always get
FUSION TORCHES WHEN
posts that degrade the content. I think an effort in finding more OC and bringing up talking points is needed. I really, really enjoy the "this day in spaceflight history" anon. It's a simple wikipedia search but it adds a lot of knowledge to the collective, you could say.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:55:43 No.12191683 Report

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>>12191682
I like the shut posts and I think you’re a dork for policing the thread.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:55:51 No.12191684 Report

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Fuck, KCT isn't playing nice with sandbox mode and I can't figure out why. KCT is limiting me to the base 20 tons of a new career launchpad, despite the launchpad being fully upgraded (because sandbox).

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:57:36 No.12191686 Report

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please do not reply to stale copypasta guys

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:57:54 No.12191687 Report

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>>12191683
I certainly don't try to police lmao. We dont have rules here bud

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 06:59:27 No.12191689 Report

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>>12191112
> realistically speaking
> internet on Mars

pick one

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:04:49 No.12191701 Report

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>>12191652
this board is under a perpetual raid by /x/tards redditor transplant /pol/acks, and teenagers with nothing better to do
what precisely did you expect?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:06:11 No.12191703 Report

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>>12191683
You’re the type of nog to keep the shit posts going once they start. You may not be a dork, but you’re still a fag

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:06:56 No.12191704 Report

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>>12191701
The most irritating ones are the /X/ fuckers who spam weird shit. Also once in a while we’ll get a random liberal or false flag thing that pisses everyone off. But worst of all are the schizos

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:08:39 No.12191706 Report

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>>12191476
Spice grants limited prescience, and Navigators are so stuffed full of it that they can foresee safe paths and not ram into stars or big rocks or whatnot.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:08:51 No.12191707 Report

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>>12191701
>replying to copypastas

Lmao fuck off tourist

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:10:44 No.12191708 Report

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dedicated Starlink interplanetary laser telescope nodes in SSO, connecting to stations in ESL4 and ESL5 which connect to identical Starlink sats in martian orbit

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:13:07 No.12191711 Report

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>>12191660
>/sfg/ is a board

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:18:04 No.12191718 Report

Quoted By: >>12191731 >>12191742 >>12191746 >>12191750 >>12192238

Does anyone else here believe that Musk will be venerated as a great prophet similar to Buddha, Muhammed, Jesus or Zarathustra after he's gone?

He's giving people hope. He's one of the few members of his class who makes people believe that the future they dreamt of is attainable after all. That many things we've been told are unfeasible suddenly become possible once someone with enough wealth and clout is backing them. That the luddite majority can scream and shout as much as they want but we'll still go to space, that liberal democracy with all its '''''ethics committees'''' and '''''technological assessment boards'''''' cannot prevent the future after all and that we're not doomed to eke out an existence as subsistence farmers after the inevitable ''''''collapse''''' like the ecoreactionary propaganda keeps telling us.

Musk is exposing the rest for what they are, parasites whose ultimate goal is stagnation. At best they're misguided philanthropists like Gates and Soros, at worst they're are actively working on creating dystopia like Thiel or are content with the status quo.

And he's not even a polymath or a prodigy, just someone who read the right books as a kid and got lucky. Imagine just what would be possible if we handed the keys to people smarter than Musk. What a true technocracy could achieve. And this is why people hate and fear Musk, it's not the cars or the silly company names. It's what he represents and whose thoughts he's pulling into the mainstream consciousness. They're scared and they should be, the future is just beginning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:23:27 No.12191731 Report

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>>12191718
I wouldn’t say so. I think he’d be a super influential man like Caesar or Napoleon or Columbus, but not a diety

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:36:15 No.12191739 Report

Quoted By: >>12191753

>>12191684
Are you sure you don't have an unlimited pad that you just aren't selecting in the KCT menu?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:36:56 No.12191742 Report

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>>12191718
>Imagine just what would be possible if we handed the keys to people smarter than Musk.
Intelligence isn't enough, as loathe as I am to say it. You also need good people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:39:36 No.12191746 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191718
>Imagine just what would be possible if we handed the keys to people smarter than Musk. What a true technocracy could achieve

Probably an absolute disaster but compared to the hell of global liberal democracies would be a massive step up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:40:41 No.12191750 Report

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>>12191718
He's already reached the point that there will at least be statues of him on Mars one day.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:42:46 No.12191753 Report

Quoted By: >>12191757 >>12191768 >>12191771

>>12191739
I got it fixed. I got it to very nearly orbit (6.9km/s). Then I discovered a new problem on the way down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:44:13 No.12191755 Report

Quoted By: >>12191766

Is there a KSP but for ocean exploration? I really like Subnautica for the exploration aspect but the survival aspect was lame and I want to design my own vehicles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:44:43 No.12191757 Report

Quoted By: >>12191761

>>12191753
Just throw on a few more ablative thrusters and it'll be fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:47:01 No.12191761 Report

Quoted By: >>12191765

>>12191757
I lost yaw control and Columbia'd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:48:11 No.12191765 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191761
I can't believe you've killed Bill

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:48:48 No.12191766 Report

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>>12191755
The real life ocean is fucking scary as hell. I’d love a game that is like a realistic version of subnautica

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:49:09 No.12191768 Report

Quoted By: >>12192853

>>12191753
based and challengerpilled

I really wish procedural fairings could be treated as normal objects for surface attaching things to them, would make life so much easier

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:50:00 No.12191771 Report

Quoted By: >>12192841

>>12191753
In all honesty would methalox sweating even help in a scenario like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:51:35 No.12191774 Report

Quoted By:

sweating hydrolox through orange foam reentry when?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:54:44 No.12191782 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191225
>Machine elves
HERESY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER! EXCOMMUNICATE TRAITORIS EXTREMIS!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:57:10 No.12191788 Report

Quoted By: >>12192311 >>12192638

>>12191458
You vastly overestimate china's space capabilities.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:57:57 No.12191791 Report

Quoted By: >>12191794

WE'RE GOING TO ORBIT THIS TIME BOYS

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 07:59:21 No.12191793 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191560
One way to Moscow

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:00:09 No.12191794 Report

Quoted By: >>12191800

>>12191791
>basically Starship with bigger fins
Very nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:00:40 No.12191795 Report

Quoted By: >>12191841 >>12191855

>>12191706
I dunno why that sounds so fucking dumb

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:02:00 No.12191800 Report

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>>12191794
it's more like X-37B with a Merlin

I didn't actually make orbit again, RIP. I had enough dV but botched the ascent profile. At least I get another try at happy fun toasty time.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:02:56 No.12191805 Report

Quoted By: >>12191808 >>12191809

https://twitter.com/brendan2908/status/1312651088017813504

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:04:59 No.12191807 Report

Quoted By: >>12191811

okay, finished with launch vehicle modifications and have everything packed up and ready to go
time to throw this fucker into production and launch it for real bros

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:05:25 No.12191808 Report

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>>12191805
That creeped me out for some reason wtf. I really hope she lives long enough to use those flaps though

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:05:43 No.12191809 Report

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>>12191805

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:05:55 No.12191810 Report

Quoted By: >>12191814 >>12191817 >>12191818

How the fuck are you supposed to reenter with a spaceplane in RO? First the thrusters go, which is fine because the plane is actually statically stable at mach bajillion. Then the Merlin and OMS thrusters explode. Then the actual airframe starts cooking off, we lose control and explode.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:06:46 No.12191811 Report

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>>12191807
habe u gonsidered tryine a whet vorkshup?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:07:31 No.12191813 Report

Quoted By: >>12191816 >>12191818 >>12191823 >>12191856

Y'all remember making it to orbit for the first time? Was it anything noteworthy or just dumb luck gravity turns like I did till you got it right

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:08:20 No.12191814 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191810
build a 100m heatshield and put the plane behind and then add a bajillion parachutes to the top

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:08:48 No.12191816 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191813
I used to always gravity turn and then leave the rocket like that. For a few days I was confused as to why I was always going on an escape trajectory without orbiting Kerbin, until I saw a video and I learned you’re supposed to go horizontal eventually.

Man I miss the KSP 1.8 demo

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:09:28 No.12191817 Report

Quoted By: >>12192638

>>12191810
At least it's pretty while it's exploding

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:10:40 No.12191818 Report

Quoted By: >>12191820

>>12191810
have you tried:
1. bigger wings
2. higher temperature threshold parts
3. less mass (absolutely zero payload)
>>12191813
experimenting with gravity turns until I figured it out, it wasn't too hard
I don't think I ever fucked it up, but I had more or less dv left over when I was done

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:11:50 No.12191820 Report

Quoted By: >>12191826 >>12192638

>>12191818
1. I haven't tried yet, 2 isn't possible because I'm using the highest temperature spaceplane parts I have, and 3 is a good reminder to jettison the 5 tons of vodka in the payload bay before reentry next time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:12:57 No.12191823 Report

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>>12191813
I took a long time to figure out gravity turns, I was always just going straight up until apoapsis in space and then coasting to apoapsis and burning horizontally and then wondering why the FUCK it took so much more dv to get to orbit than everyone said
to be fair though that's one of the problems with stock KSP being so scaled down, you get used to just burning a short while and then coasting to circularize even for low orbits instead of burning all the way to orbit like you do in real scale and irl

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:13:28 No.12191826 Report

Quoted By: >>12191828

>>12191820
you're already modding, there's no shame in modifying the mk 2 spaceplane parts to have a higher surface temperature threshold
turn on the thermal data stuff in the menu (I forget if it's a cheat or not) and look at if you're reaching skin temperature or core temperature

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:14:54 No.12191828 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191826
The thing that got to me was the fact that IRL engines usually have shit throttle capability and can only be started once to four times usually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:23:49 No.12191840 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191197
In theory yes, but I already puke my guts out on an average rollercoaster. So I don’t think it would be fun for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:24:18 No.12191841 Report

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>>12191795
Prescience and its effect on society at a broad scale is a huge part of Dune, to the point that the overarching plot of the core series is the fulfillment of Paul's "Golden Path," which involves scattering humanity far beyond the confines of the existing empire, and also the genetic proliferation of people who are "invisible" to prescience, so that no group of future-seers can exert control over all of humanity.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:24:39 No.12191843 Report

Quoted By: >>12191845

SUCCESS - 5 TONS OF VODKA IN ORANGE TANK BAD DEPLOYED TO ORBIT

I had to upgrade to a Raptor 5 and ditch reusability, but at least I have a working, reusable (if it can ever reenter intact) spaceplane in RO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:25:51 No.12191845 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191843
alright, anon
let's see how you fare coming back in

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:29:01 No.12191855 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191795
Some humans in the far future of Dune just naturally have some amount of prescience, Spice lets anyone have a small degree of it. I think that was one of the reasons why the Fremen are such ungodly terrifying fighters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:29:38 No.12191856 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191813
I had literally no idea what I was doing and stacked a bunch of boosters on top of each other and acidentally went into orbit around the sun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:32:41 No.12191866 Report

Quoted By: >>12191872 >>12191878

surprised nobody has called me out for using meme propellant in my RCS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:34:16 No.12191872 Report

Quoted By: >>12191875

>>12191866
nobody cares

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:36:09 No.12191875 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191872
t. chinese

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:37:11 No.12191878 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191866
>meme propellant
by /sfg/ standards it's not meme propellant unless it's metallic hydrogen or shredded $100 bills or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:40:06 No.12191884 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191124
official spacex anthem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZMlEfdwgKQ

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:42:59 No.12191892 Report

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stupid fucking lander has finally launched for real and is now on the way to the moon!
launched at night to make the window for lunar inclination, ascent and stage separation went smoothly without even a single failure this time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:49:04 No.12191899 Report

Quoted By: >>12191902

Do you have to manage oxygen and cabin temperature in RO?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:51:48 No.12191902 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191899
with kerbalism yeah, don't remember if it includes temperature but pressure/oxygen/co2 levels and different kinds of scrubbers and life support you can use plus radiation and solar flares and shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:55:00 No.12191906 Report

Quoted By: >>12192493

>go to save game
>realize somewhere KSP loaded a save created by FMRS during a KRASH simulation where saving is supposed to be disabled
>now saving and loading is disabled on my and have to revert back to an earlier save before it fucked up
NIGGER

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 08:58:32 No.12191913 Report

Quoted By: >>12191919 >>12191922

Maybe my shitty computer is just vulnerable to it because it’s bad, but does anyone else notice a really nasty memory leak from KSP that makes performance shit itself after about an hour?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 09:00:21 No.12191919 Report

Quoted By: >>12192014

>>12191913
yeah I have a memory leak like that going on, I'm pretty sure it's one of the mods in my RO setup but I haven't been able to figure out what so I just restart the game every 45 minutes or so and go take a shit while it loads

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 09:00:44 No.12191921 Report

Quoted By:

>payload is in orbit
>crew is alive
I did it!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 09:01:14 No.12191922 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191913
Its a feature

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 09:04:27 No.12191926 Report

Quoted By: >>12191930

100% efficient conversion of thermal energy to electricity when bros?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 09:07:19 No.12191930 Report

Quoted By: >>12192016 >>12192029

>>12191926
I've been thinking about this since the last thread. Some anon brought it up and I was following his replies like a hawk. Fascinating really... I don't know anything about electrochemistry of the physics behind power conversion (which sucks because I wish I could make a difference) but I hope we find a way to get direct electric conversion from something like fusion. I don't know how it could be done

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 09:44:55 No.12191986 Report

Quoted By: >>12191993

Charred bread heatshield tiles when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 09:55:28 No.12191993 Report

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>>12191986
The astronauts would snack on it while they were EVAing and endanger the mission.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 10:07:25 No.12192004 Report

Quoted By: >>12192261

Who will be the first person murdered in space?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 10:16:36 No.12192014 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191919
I’m confident it’s part of the base game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 10:18:18 No.12192016 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191930
Devices that turn thermal energy into electricity are always pretty efficient because waste energy from energy transitioning between forms is usually in the form of heat anyway
I’m sure everyone has noticed how the charging thingy for their phone gets hot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 10:25:19 No.12192023 Report

Quoted By: >>12192025 >>12192503

>USA is dead
>India is dead
>China is almost dead
>Europe is still sleeping

Post 2020 will be a very boring era for Space

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 10:28:21 No.12192025 Report

Quoted By: >>12192027

>>12192023
Go away Angry Asshole

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 10:31:49 No.12192027 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192025
Yes I'm angry [spoiler:lit](and sad)[/spoiler:lit], our future is fucked-up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 10:32:36 No.12192029 Report

Quoted By: >>12192844

>>12191930
To have a 100% Carnot efficiency you need a heatsink with the temperature of exactly absolute zero. The thing is, you will also transfer zero waste heat into it. So maybe the trick is to create some sort of a virtual zero K sink that isn't actually that cold in reality, but acts like it is for the purpose of the thermodynamic process.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 10:55:11 No.12192039 Report

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we finally made it bros!
lost one wheel during the unpacking, but since it's got 4 wheel steering it can still do the job just a bit less agile
due to some excellent planning we landed right at the beginning of the lunar night and even with these lights I still can't see shit, so further exploration is going to have to wait until the batteries recharge after sunrise

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 12:20:10 No.12192205 Report

Quoted By: >>12192495 >>12192500

why is driving rovers so comfy bros
especially when you can crank them up to like 8m/s instead of that gay nasa shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 12:35:46 No.12192238 Report

Quoted By: >>12192247

>>12191718
>Does anyone else here believe that Musk will be venerated as a great prophet similar to Buddha, Muhammed, Jesus or Zarathustra after he's gone?

God this has to be the cringiest shit I have ever seen on this general. Is this place /r/SpaceX?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 12:45:15 No.12192247 Report

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>>12192238
Elon Musk is Go{o}d.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 12:48:25 No.12192251 Report

Quoted By: >>12192421

>>12191277
>>12191321
Thank you guys, it's obviously pretty fair criticism.

I'm trying to work in emotion in a way that doesn't sound fake, I feel like it's just practice. I would say I'm pretty good at public speaking, but having genuine emotion talking to a screen by yourself is harder.

I also find the Manley thing interesting, since he obviously knows what he's talking about, stumbles make it more genuine. While for someone with no social proof, stumbles sound more like uncertainty. Especially when it's a voiceover and your voice is all the viewer has to go on.

I especially need to work on something that makes me unique. Lots of flaws, but honestly, I'm pretty happy with what I've got. I've got a ton of spare time right now and it gives me something to do. Also based coomer, you know who you are.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 12:54:45 No.12192261 Report

Quoted By: >>12192279

>>12192004
Jeff Bezos.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 12:57:11 No.12192270 Report

Quoted By:

neat shot

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 13:01:06 No.12192279 Report

Quoted By: >>12192287 >>12192308

>>12192261
Unlikely. He has no way of even getting to space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 13:02:24 No.12192285 Report

Quoted By:

Did you know that sauerkraut is one of the foods that contains most vitamin C after lemons?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 13:02:51 No.12192287 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192279
Muh New Armstrong.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 13:09:18 No.12192308 Report

Quoted By: >>12192477

>>12192279
top kek

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 13:10:14 No.12192311 Report

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>>12191788
You vastly underestimate them. China had already shown the ability to shoot down satellites years ago.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 13:10:32 No.12192314 Report

Quoted By: >>12192871

>>12191481
If you're still around it's from The Terror.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 13:59:11 No.12192421 Report

Quoted By: >>12192471 >>12193040

>>12192251
>>12191120

yeah man just keep practicing to get that natural conversational tone into your reading

from what i saw, a common critique from your videos was that you make it obvious that you're reading from a script

content wise, i prefer the format of the earlier vids where you divided it into subtopics but that's just me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 14:25:08 No.12192471 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192421
Yeah, script reading is an issue. But I'm just not at the confidence level right now to start speaking extemporaneously. Which video did you like? The first one where I used transitions? Thanks for the feedback.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 14:29:39 No.12192477 Report

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>>12192308

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 14:32:44 No.12192487 Report

Quoted By:

https://youtu.be/GhEJwEwyXt0

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 14:36:42 No.12192493 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191906
There's somewhere you can go in the debug menu or difficulty settings to enable saving when that happens

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 14:39:13 No.12192495 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192205
road trips are always comfy

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 14:40:24 No.12192500 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192205
>not rolling along at 20km and taking sick jumps

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 14:41:49 No.12192503 Report

Quoted By: >>12192638 >>12192676 >>12192691

>>12192023
>USA leading the charge with private spaceflight
>India working on joining the reusable rockets club
>China will copy Starship someday
>Europe is perfecting their 450s specific impulse monopropellant

Post 2020 will be a very exciting era for Space

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 15:05:19 No.12192548 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191197
Absolutely, but I can't really wrap my head around the science aspect and I've always been sort of sickly so I don't think it's really in the cards for me. Hoping we get low-cost space travel or unskilled work in space soon bros

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 15:53:25 No.12192638 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191788
People definitely do overestimate what China is currently capable of, but anti-satellite weaponry is no such case, shooting down satellites isn't actually all that complicated and is certainly something China has the ability to do right now.
>>12191820
Pretty sure bigger wings are the main thing you need, the ones in >>12191817 don't look anywhere near big enough to give a sufficiently gentle re-entry.
>>12192503
The best China will be able to do is steal Starship. I mean literally just physically steal a Starship from SpaceX somehow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:10:10 No.12192676 Report

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>>12192503
People love to project onto China their idea of what they themselves would do if they had funds and unlimited manpower. The reality falls nowhere near those fantasies. The chinks are walking back superheavy development faster than they're progressing. Euros peddling magic as a distraction tactic also doesn't say good things, just the opposite. Not that this is really a problem for spaceflight overall, the death of parasites is good for the organism.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:19:03 No.12192691 Report

Quoted By: >>12192698 >>12192773 >>12192944

>>12192503
>Chinks will copy starship
I don't think the chinks have the metallurgy, or manfucathrong consistency to develop engines for a superheavy lift vehicle that work, let alone one that's reusable

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:22:16 No.12192698 Report

Quoted By: >>12192855

>>12192691
No they don’t, but they might be able to make a TSTO fully reusable vehicle. Who knows. Their Superheavy lifter was supposed to fly “in the 2030s”

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:30:18 No.12192725 Report

Quoted By: >>12192744

soon

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:33:59 No.12192741 Report

Quoted By:

Operating 19 years and still kicking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:34:51 No.12192744 Report

Quoted By: >>12192747 >>12192750

>>12192725
I will believe it's soon when we see the gridfins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:35:32 No.12192747 Report

Quoted By: >>12192755

>>12192744
They probably won’t have gridfins for the first few hops. F9 didnt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:35:42 No.12192750 Report

Quoted By: >>12192754 >>12192825

>>12192744
are those small enough to transport by road or will they be welded up on site?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:37:52 No.12192754 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192750
they wouldn't be bigger than RVACS, would they?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:37:56 No.12192755 Report

Quoted By: >>12192770

>>12192747
they don't need gridfins on Super Heavy for the first 150m completely powered hops, but if they want to go above that they'll need gridfins, just like Starship needs a nosecone and flaps

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:38:56 No.12192758 Report

Quoted By: >>12192778 >>12193785

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1312760295228547073
DEJA VU

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:45:20 No.12192770 Report

Quoted By: >>12192845

>>12192755
I think Elon said they’re stainless steel, so I don’t see why they can’t just build them there

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:46:01 No.12192771 Report

Quoted By: >>12192775 >>12192780 >>12192796 >>12192820 >>12192891 >>12192978

Why don't they make a tiny version of the starship and launch it with a Falcon just to test the belly flop maneuver? It can't be more expensive than what they're about tô do

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:46:36 No.12192773 Report

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>>12192691
Can’t wait to be that ripped

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:49:38 No.12192775 Report

Quoted By: >>12192789

>>12192771
Small scale doesn't translate to real thing.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:50:45 No.12192778 Report

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>>12192758
I HAVE BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:51:17 No.12192780 Report

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>>12192771
did someone say MINI STARSHIP!?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:53:35 No.12192789 Report

Quoted By: >>12192798

>>12192775
How can someone make such a dumb statement?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:54:57 No.12192796 Report

Quoted By: >>12192883

>>12192771
Any gains in cost you would make would be more than swamped by the need to change processes and machinery. Also you severely overestimate the cost of the prototypes if you think their cost is at all important next to the cost of development time you would waste going down a meaningless rabbit hole to test something not even transferrable due to scale.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:55:04 No.12192798 Report

Quoted By: >>12192809 >>12192815

>>12192789
He’s right though. A big starship with 1200 tons of methalox has a lot more stresses than a little one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 16:59:31 No.12192809 Report

Quoted By: >>12192814 >>12192817

>>12192798
Shut the fuck up retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:01:34 No.12192814 Report

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>>12192809
It's okay anon, I'm sure your RC car experience will make you an F1 driver one day

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:01:45 No.12192815 Report

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>>12192798
So what you're saying is that a model airplane cannot be used to demonstrate the same control schemes that are used in a real airplane

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:02:14 No.12192817 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192809
You're the only here being retarded.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:02:58 No.12192820 Report

Quoted By: >>12192866

>>12192771
Too much research resource cost. They'll have to cut some of the main Starship resource and add it to Falcon 9 Dev team for integration/test/test.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:05:10 No.12192825 Report

Quoted By: >>12192839 >>12192845 >>12192850 >>12192877

>>12192750
>welded up on site
Won‘t they be titanium?
Falcon 9 ones are a single piece of titanium casting, which was said to be the main reason why they were able to reuse them like they do with Block 5. Previous versions looked like absolute shit after a single reentry.
I doubt welding them from steel will work nearly as well. But I‘m just a brainlet. Maybe Superheavy gridfins will experience different conditions because of the difference in flight profile, size and weight.
Or maybe SpaceX was previously retarded and titanium casting is way beyond what is needed here. I doubt it, but I don‘t know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:09:27 No.12192839 Report

Quoted By: >>12192869

>>12192825
Elon's said they're gonna try steel but I'm skeptical for the same reasons as you. https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-super-heavy-grid-fins-titanium-to-steel/

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:09:42 No.12192841 Report

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>>12191771
Yup, though it's not viable for SSTO because, of course, SSTO does not have the mass ratio margin to squeeze in the necessary amount of 'sweat' methane without the dry mass needing to be a negative number.
Sweat cooling is in principal exactly the same as ablative cooling, except the only thing being consumed is a refillable fluid instead of a highly engineered solid. A thermally resistant structure gets extremely hot via electromagnetic radiation from the hot plasma surrounding it, and a material with a low boiling point is vaporized by this heat, therefore cooling the structure as the hot vapors are blown away.
In an ablator the heat resistant structure is basically just carbon, though older TPS ablators used shit like fiberglass or asbestos. The low-boiling point material is usually a plastic or resin which will decompose at high temperatures (decomposition can also absorb thermal energy, alongside the latent heat absorption of a phase change). The issue with ablators is that the vaporization of the plastic takes place only to a depth of about a centimeter into the shield before the outer skin temperature gets high enough to vaporize whatever materials are there, because the plastic in those layers gets used up. That's why ablators erode, the erosion doesn't protect the spacecraft, it's actually the charring of the heat shield that protects the spacecraft. The erosion is simply a consequence of using a solid state actively-cooled heat shield.
For a 'sweat' shield, the cooling fluid is continuously being pumped through the skin and thus the skin never gets hot enough that it erodes. In principal a sweat shield can withstand reentry thermal fluxes just as high as an ablator, the only downsides are complexity and the requirement to not have your coolant pump stall on you.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:10:37 No.12192844 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192029
Use a black hole as a heat sink.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:10:59 No.12192845 Report

Quoted By: >>12192852 >>12192860

>>12192770
Well disregard all of:
>>12192825
then.
So why didn‘t they do this on F9 then?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:11:31 No.12192849 Report

Quoted By: >>12192854 >>12192861

So if the SRB's weren't segmented, would Challenger never have happened yet the shuttle would still work and function as normal?

Why the fuck did they have to segment them?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:11:51 No.12192850 Report

Quoted By: >>12192856

>>12192825
The F9 ones are also the biggest single titanium cast ever, I believe. In any case it certainly doesn't scale up to what they want with SH. There's no real reason why they will perform any worse as the thermal characteristics are better, they'll be heavier but that's not really important when considered in proportion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:12:23 No.12192852 Report

Quoted By: >>12192876 >>12192901

>>12192845
Because titanium is lighter and Elon hadn't been steelpilled yet when they were designing the F9 gridfins

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:12:34 No.12192853 Report

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>>12191768
I think procedural wings are though

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:14:35 No.12192854 Report

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>>12192849
A monolithic SRM would be too heavy to transport by rail. When Nasa did the 260-inch solid tests they had to be brought in by barge and full-scale production would have required a new factory at the KSC.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:14:35 No.12192855 Report

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>>12192698
China isn't NK, they can just import the knowledge and abilities to set up all the facilities. Ever heard of globalism?
It's harder if SpaceX implements techniques which require very specialized labour or extensive espionage, like the hand welding on the F1 engines back then which made them borderline impossible for out advanced society to replicate without relearning a lot about how they were soldered together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:14:44 No.12192856 Report

Quoted By: >>12192934

>>12192850
forged** not cast, but still a huge single piece i think, and pricey

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:16:09 No.12192860 Report

Quoted By: >>12192876 >>12193770

>>12192845
Due to scale and construction the dry mass hit is more significant on F9 than it is for SH

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:16:08 No.12192861 Report

Quoted By: >>12192863

>>12192849
>Why the fuck did they have to segment them?
Because muh reusability. The segments had to be small enough to go back to the factory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:16:36 No.12192863 Report

Quoted By: >>12192870 >>12192881

>>12192861
reusing SRB's sounds retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:17:05 No.12192866 Report

Quoted By: >>12192875 >>12192897 >>12192937 >>12193770

>>12192820
As opposed to inexpensively blowing up 4 or 5 full sized prototypes, which can be done at no cost at all

How can you people say something like that? That's literal baby boomer-level stupidity. The size would be close enough that things such as viscosity wouldn't make a big difference, plus they'd know for sure if they can flip a free-falling cylinder and stabilize it. They'd even be able to test if the SS hull would survive reentry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:17:43 No.12192869 Report

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>>12192839
Ah, it says right there the main reason to use titanium was high-energy trajectories. So that‘s drone ship landings. But Superheavy will exclusively return to launch site. So maybe that‘s why steel could be a solution for super heavy but not for f9.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:17:44 No.12192870 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192863
it was

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:18:08 No.12192871 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192314
Thanks dude
I've been here since 2018

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:19:49 No.12192875 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192866
>As opposed to inexpensively blowing up 4 or 5 full sized prototypes
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:19:49 No.12192876 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192852
>>12192860
Ok, that makes sense, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:19:53 No.12192877 Report

Quoted By: >>12192889

>>12192825
It can work but it will look like absolute jerry rigged trash just like the fins are looking like right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:20:53 No.12192881 Report

Quoted By: >>12192893 >>12192938

>>12192863
I don't think anyone really wanted to reuse the SRBs but NASA wanted to have a reusable liquid booster on the shuttle after Nixon authorized it so Thiokol had to act like the SRBs would be just as reusable if NASA went with them so everyone could save face.

It never actually saved any money over expending them though. Solid rocket fuel makes up most of the cost of an SRB and what's left is just empty steel casings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:21:26 No.12192883 Report

Quoted By: >>12192891 >>12192894 >>12192898 >>12192992

>>12192796
>scale down the cylinder in whatever program they're using
>cut the sheets
>weld them
>"no no no, it costs too much!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:23:09 No.12192889 Report

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>>12192877
The fins look like that because they're wearing a (proportionally) thin skin of unstressed steel. The gridfins don't have any expanses of non-structural material, at worst they will have visible welds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:23:34 No.12192891 Report

Quoted By: >>12192907

>>12192883
>>12192771
The inertia would be completely different, there's no point testing something that don't have the same mass or aerodynamic

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:23:52 No.12192893 Report

Quoted By: >>12192904

>>12192881
I wonder what costs more, cleaning the seawater out of a spend SRB or making a new one from scratch?
Not being snarky, I genuinely don't know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:23:56 No.12192894 Report

Quoted By: >>12192913

>>12192883
And just design 3 scale engines to go with it!

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:24:38 No.12192897 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192866
Dude SpaceX isn’t worried about whether or not the maneuver is possible - because they know it is - but if their vehicle can survive the forces it gets. The only way to do this is with the full scale vehicle

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:24:42 No.12192898 Report

Quoted By: >>12192913

>>12192883
>have established processes and machines to make them more efficient
>switch to a new hand-welded one-off
>it's more expensive
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:25:20 No.12192901 Report

Quoted By: >>12192926 >>12193330 >>12193770

>>12192852
Literally this.
Titanium is actually INFERIOR to steel in terms of thermal resistance, but back when they were building long-lived grid fins for Falcon 9 titanium seemed very attractive because it has a higher strength to weight ratio than Al-Li while also being heat resistant enough to work for F9 Booster reentry.
Since then however Elon has realize that faster, cheaper, and a bit heavier is a far better thing to strive for than raw performance, because being faster, cheaper, and still reusable saves money, while all you get from higher performance is negligible payload increase. The "Every Gram at Any Cost" mentality is exactly what has made all the world's space progress so slow since the 60's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:25:42 No.12192904 Report

Quoted By: >>12192918

>>12192893
I read that reusing them did save some money. Not much, but like it would’ve costed more to throw them away. Still the only thing reused was the casing and some of the nose parts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:26:28 No.12192907 Report

Quoted By: >>12192911 >>12192914 >>12192962

>>12192891
>there's no point testing something

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:27:30 No.12192911 Report

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>>12192907
Why would you not test a full scale starship if you already have an excess of prototypes? They have like 2 completed (SN8 and SN9) and two more being built (SN 10 and SN11).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:28:05 No.12192913 Report

Quoted By: >>12192921 >>12192931

>>12192894
Or, you know, just use the same engine they're using for SN5,6,7,8, however many they're willing to blow up. It just works

>>12192898
You're beung unconceivably asinine right now

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:28:24 No.12192914 Report

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>>12192907
the absolute straw of this man

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:29:32 No.12192918 Report

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>>12192904
Seems like a lot of work to save a little money, but if it was cost-effective then I suppose. At the very least it gave everyone a job cleaning the things out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:30:24 No.12192921 Report

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>>12192913
You successfully convinced yourself anon, but apparently you weren't a very good sparring partner.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:31:50 No.12192926 Report

Quoted By: >>12192942 >>12192971 >>12192977

>>12192901
>The "Every Gram at Any Cost" mentality
What should it be instead?

I personally wish we got Sea Dragon or at least a scaled down version of it that was still more powerful than Saturn V so that launching shit into orbit never becomes a problem of weight/mass fraction etc...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:32:47 No.12192931 Report

Quoted By: >>12192941

>>12192913
You don't understand what's going on do you? Starship is on a production line right now. They're going to have starships to spare. It would actually be more work at this point to make a smaller one and the savings wouldn't be worth it, assuming there were any savings to be had considering the extra work that would have to go into it.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:33:42 No.12192934 Report

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>>12192856
It's not forged, it's cast. The grid fins on Falcon 9 are made of cast titanium, because it's easier to melt titanium inside an argon atmosphere and pour it into a high quality preheated mould to create the grid fin shape than it is to forge titanium. Once the casting is cooled they do a minimal amount of machining on it in order to remove and smooth burrs and to get the holes for the attachment point bearings into spec. Machining titanium is an even bigger pain in the ass than forging it, because it heats up the tooling like fuck and it really gums up everything (it doesn't like to form nice clean ships like steel).
I mean just look at this shit. Look at how thin the grid element gets at the end of the fin, look how the thickness tapers in two directions, look at how deep the grid is and those scalloped leading edges. This is design would be IMPOSSIBLE to forge. They knew that forging was not going to be ideal for titanium anyway, and once they knew they were going to cast it they went all-in on making an ideally designed part with all the fancy stuff included.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:34:28 No.12192937 Report

Quoted By: >>12192952

>>12192866
Yes. They can blow up 100 Starship prototype and not have not cost more than 1 single blow up of Falcon 9. If they blow up falcon 9, that's 1 year of shutdown for their main business.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:34:51 No.12192938 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192881
>It never actually saved any money over expending them though.
To be fair. Nasa never particularly tried saving money on the Shuttles now, did they. The SRBs, the TPS, the SMEs. All designed to be refurbishable in the most excruciatingly painstaking and most expensive way possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:35:27 No.12192941 Report

Quoted By: >>12192954

>>12192931
They'll have hundreds of them made before they realize what they want to do does not work at all. It's a very, very, very risk bet.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:35:31 No.12192942 Report

Quoted By: >>12192981 >>12193366 >>12193433 >>12193557 >>12193605

>>12192926
No, we need a scaled UP Sea Dragon. I want a rocket so large that they have to launch from both sides of the planet simultaneously to avoid knocking earth off it's orbit.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:35:39 No.12192944 Report

Quoted By: >>12192948

>>12192691
Don't underestimate them. They got rich on cheap shit but can do quality engineering too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:37:10 No.12192948 Report

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>>12192944
reminds me of space welding

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:37:35 No.12192952 Report

Quoted By: >>12192955 >>12192960 >>12193512

>>12192937
But they did blow up a falcon just to test the crew dragon abort system. I don't see why they can't launch a mini-starship that weights the same as the second stage + payload and perfectly land the first stage.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:38:21 No.12192954 Report

Quoted By: >>12192959

>>12192941
Then they make changes further down the production line on partiall completed starships every time there's a failure and can rapidly retest without having to build a new vehicle completely from scratch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:38:32 No.12192955 Report

Quoted By: >>12192959

>>12192952
Because Falcon 9 costs a lot. Its legacy system. Prototypes are inexpensive shits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:40:42 No.12192959 Report

Quoted By: >>12192963 >>12192969

>>12192954
And pray they do not have to change anything else on the already-changed partially complete starships? Yeah. Doesn't work.

>>12192955
It costs a lot and it can land itself. Launch a mini-starship. If they can't land it, they won't be able to land the full-sized one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:41:12 No.12192960 Report

Quoted By: >>12192966

>>12192952
The aerodynamic forces are not the same. A starship half the width has only one quarter the cross section on it's circular face and probably something like an eight of the mass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:42:27 No.12192962 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192907
>Before we build this battleship we need to build a tugboat to verify that boast work
>Yes I know we already have many tugboats but none of those have cannons so they're totally different
Dude Starship's whole deal right now is that they're building low cost, decently-high fidelity prototypes and throwing them into the meat grinder to see what forehead-slapping oopsie mistakes they've overlooked. They are going to get more data faster this way. Also they've literally already got 4 prototypes of full sized Starship at this point, you're about a year late to suggest they build a smaller one.
Do you think that SpaceX just hasn't thought of doing smaller starship? Do you think that they glossed over that strategy? No, they did a high level cost-benefit analysis and decided it's no worth it. Elon had even tweeted like a year ago that they were gonna try a mini-starship style second stage for Falcon 9, then later was like "Yeah nah we looked at the numbers and that idea is cancelled, we're going to be able to do it faster by just immediately going to 9m diameter".

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:42:58 No.12192963 Report

Quoted By: >>12192979

>>12192959
Single launch of used Falcon 9 costs $20+ million dollars. Thats not including the low flight rate, experimental launch insurance fees, etc

Its not worth it. The whole reason to move away from Falcon 9 is cost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:43:50 No.12192966 Report

Quoted By: >>12192975

>>12192960
>The aerodynamic forces are not the same
But close enough. The point isn't if it will stay in one piece, even if it stays in one piece it won't matter if they cannot stabilize it, or if it oscillates.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:45:48 No.12192969 Report

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>>12192959
It's literally easier to land a large vehicle than a small one, especially when talking about second stages. And as people have pointed out to you, doing so tells you nothing useful about the ability of your construction to withstand the stresses on the full scale version.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:46:41 No.12192971 Report

Quoted By: >>12193303

>>12192926
>What should it be instead?
Cost per KG to Leo is the ultimate metric. Every step along the way just has to play into this.
Look at what Tesla showed recently. Save some money on raw materials, make the tooling more efficient, make the design easier to build, and then finally you can also improve the performance of the design itself. Every step along the way saves 10% points by itself so finally you get 50% cost savings despite still building the same fucking vehicle.
Nasa has been only focussing on the last step of improving the design. They never put much thought into the manufacturing or resources. They just paid what was asked to get the design they thought was most optimized from a pure performance standpoint.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:47:49 No.12192975 Report

Quoted By: >>12192984 >>12192991 >>12193004 >>12193007

>>12192966
If falling apart is what you're worried about then it makes even more sense to go full size straight away because the structural integrity is going to vary massively in different sized models due to the different masses and forces being exerted. I mean there's a reason why 747s aren't just scaled up cessnas.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:48:13 No.12192977 Report

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>>12192926
>What should it be instead?
"Save every dollar you can, as fast as you can" or something to that effect. Go fast, fail fast, learn fast.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:50:00 No.12192978 Report

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>>12192771
This guy gets it

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:50:09 No.12192979 Report

Quoted By: >>12192993

>>12192963
>Single launch of used Falcon 9 costs $20+ million dollars
That figure includes the second stage which is lost forever. Each raptor engine costs about 2 million. They're willing to risk losing 3 of them in a single go just to test the flop-maneuver, when they could test it with an engine-less dummy.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:51:00 No.12192981 Report

Quoted By: >>12192989 >>12193023

>>12192942

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:52:23 No.12192984 Report

Quoted By: >>12192988 >>12193016 >>12193439

>>12192975
Structural integrity means jack shit if it's not controllable. Ok, it stayed in place but crashed nose first. Congratulations. Your control scheme does not work and you just lost 3 raptor engines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:54:39 No.12192988 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192984
>in one piece
Fix'd

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:54:44 No.12192989 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192981
This is what 1kt to LEO looks like.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:55:14 No.12192991 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192975
>there's a reason why 747s aren't just scaled up cessnas
Fear of BASED overload?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:55:19 No.12192992 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192883
>retard

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:55:47 No.12192993 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192979
Merlin costs ~1M each, and they use 9 of them. + ~1-2 raptor for mini-Starship.
No matter how you slice it, its a much more costly endeavor for Falcon9+miniStarship

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:58:41 No.12193004 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192975
>I mean there's a reason why 747s aren't just scaled up cessnas.
Exactly. The lowest risk approach to developing Starship is to just start off building it full-sized, because then they know for sure that none of their optimizations are going to bite them in the ass once they go full-size.
You know what will happen if SN8 tries to do its bellyflop and crashes? SN9 will try again later, with some modifications to hardware and software to solve the glaring issues than made SN8 die. If SN9 crashes, it's batter up for SN10. Etc. It seriously won't take them more than a handful of Starship prototypes to get the backflip landing burn maneuver nailed down. Once they can reliably land it's a green light to doing higher and faster suborbital trajectories to real-world stress test the thermal protection system as they wait for the Booster prototype to be completed and go through its own short series of testing, and then it's time to stack and go for orbit.
As soon as a prototype stack makes orbit, all the space agencies around the world are going to collectively shit themselves HARD, which will be funny. SpaceX will probably have successful recovery of the Starship that goes to orbit for the first time, and they'll learn of a few things they need to change, and then development will continue with many many orbital test flights to prove out everything from solar panel array designs to on-orbit maneuvering to faster reentries to Starship-to-Starship docking and of course propellant transfer. Shit is going to be happening exponentially faster, especially once the dev program gets to the point of just swapping out hardware on already built-and-flown Starships instead of having to build brand new ones almost every time. These are exciting times, anons.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 17:59:21 No.12193007 Report

Quoted By: >>12193012

>>12192975
>747s aren't scaled up cessnas
WE WOULD IF WE COULD

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:02:25 No.12193012 Report

Quoted By: >>12193021

>>12193007
Needs a propellor

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:02:51 No.12193016 Report

Quoted By: >>12193027

>>12192984
How do you know that what works on mini-starship will work for big starship?
If they built a mini-Starship to throw onto a test reentry trajectory to verify that the flap-steering works (which it will, it's arguably a lot simpler than aerodynamic wing control surfaces), that would tell them it works for ~3.8 meter vehicles. Then they'd need to do all the calculations and flow dynamic simulations and engineering all over again to build a 9m version, anyway. Therefore, fuck the subscale prototype, trust the flow simulations, and start off with 9m prototypes while accepting that you are probably gonna lose a few because of propellant sloshing or whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:03:52 No.12193021 Report

Quoted By: >>12193031 >>12193046 >>12193128

>>12193012
Can supersonic flight be achieved with a single prop?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:04:18 No.12193023 Report

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>>12192981
Reminds me of that scrappy green screen movie Skycaptain and the World of Tomorrow.
Villain built an ark rocket to start over on another planet and the second stage would ignite the atmosphere behind it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:05:33 No.12193027 Report

Quoted By: >>12193042 >>12193184 >>12193186

>>12193016
>How do you know that what works on mini-starship will work for big starship?
How do they know that the untested big starship works? Oh, by blowing up prototype after prototype?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:07:09 No.12193031 Report

Quoted By: >>12193059

>>12193021
Hypersonic SSTO prop plane

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:11:27 No.12193040 Report

Quoted By: >>12193054 >>12193523

>>12191277
>>12191321
>>12192421
For me, it's David Butler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKPRDCAOnXM

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:12:21 No.12193042 Report

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>>12193027
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:12:39 No.12193045 Report

Quoted By: >>12193096 >>12193366

What the hell are they doing to sn7.1 bros?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:12:40 No.12193046 Report

Quoted By: >>12193049

>>12193021
Prop+jet

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:13:11 No.12193049 Report

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>>12193046
https://youtu.be/iSkd1u-_aBo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:14:12 No.12193054 Report

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>>12193040
Bruh this is so chill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:16:02 No.12193059 Report

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>>12193031
Comrade, hwat is beink sound that went like *BRRRRRRRRRRRR* right now.
- Amerikanski launch orbital cessna from Florida.
But comrade, we are beink in siberia.
- Da.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:16:20 No.12193060 Report

Quoted By: >>12193066

SN8 cryo test tonight

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:17:34 No.12193066 Report

Quoted By: >>12193069

>>12193060
Damn it’s really been almost a year since we saw a starship with fins, huh

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:18:00 No.12193069 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193066
A rough mock up yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:22:49 No.12193089 Report

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CESSNA SEAPLANE WITH SRB PONTOONS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:25:39 No.12193096 Report

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>>12193045
scrapping it now that it's done its job

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:29:03 No.12193105 Report

Quoted By: >>12193809

A guy said earlier that you could get a faster trajectory that hofman transfer that isnt brachistrochrone.

baring that in mind whats the best time we could get for a manned saturn moon mission?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:36:40 No.12193128 Report

Quoted By: >>12193142

>>12193021
Sure. If a wing can generate lift at supersonic speeds, then a propeller can generate thrust.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:41:13 No.12193142 Report

Quoted By: >>12193204 >>12193222

>>12193128
This isn't really correct. Propellers are specifically designed and operated to avoid tip velocities beyond the speed of sound, and supersonic jet engine inlets are shaped very specifically to control shockwave geometry and provide subsonic air to the turbine blades. Supersonic aircraft are also designed such that their wings tuck behind their nose shock because the stresses caused by supersonic air are considerable and generating lift using a conventional airfoil in a supersonic regime is difficult. There is a reason that propeller aircraft were not taken above the sound barrier, and it is not engine power constraints.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:42:01 No.12193152 Report

Quoted By: >>12193153 >>12193812

SRB POWERED ELEVATORS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:42:15 No.12193153 Report

Quoted By: >>12193172

>>12193152
Correct take

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:47:41 No.12193172 Report

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>>12193153
What about SRB travelators?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:52:02 No.12193184 Report

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>>12193027
Yeah, by blowing up two or three $3 million prototypes over the course of 6 months, maximum

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:53:35 No.12193186 Report

Quoted By: >>12193192 >>12193200

>>12193027
>Oh,
kill yourself right fucking now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:55:11 No.12193192 Report

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>>12193186
Oh, no!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:58:34 No.12193200 Report

Quoted By: >>12193246

>>12193186

>Complains about misuse of a comma while not using a capital to start his sentence and a period to end it.

What a hypocritical faggot you are. A phone-posting nigger is my best guess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 18:59:39 No.12193204 Report

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>>12193142
Use an airscrew instead of a propellor.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:00:12 No.12193206 Report

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SN7.1 got that NOAA treatment

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:06:37 No.12193222 Report

Quoted By: >>12193233 >>12193243

>>12193142
There are propellers explicitly designed to work efficiently at supersonic speeds.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:10:39 No.12193233 Report

Quoted By: >>12193242 >>12193243

>>12193222
They are all extraordinarily loud motherfuckers, like the Thunderscreech or the Tu-95. The whole reason supersonic aircraft aren't in wider use is the noise problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:13:53 No.12193242 Report

Quoted By: >>12193252 >>12193300 >>12193823

>>12193233
The noise and efficiency problems of supersonic aircraft could have been solved if the tree hugging luddites in the 70s hadn't helped kill every SST program.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:14:07 No.12193243 Report

Quoted By: >>12193348

>>12193233
>>12193222
Neither the thunderscreech or the TU-95 ever flew at supersonic speeds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:15:22 No.12193246 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193200
misuse of a comma? i believe u are the retard ;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:19:10 No.12193252 Report

Quoted By: >>12193258

>>12193242
>tree hugging luddites
*Soviet spies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:21:36 No.12193258 Report

Quoted By: >>12193261

>>12193252
Arguably the same thing

t. Bezmenov

(Unless that was your implication and you weren't talking about moles in the US aero industry)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:23:14 No.12193261 Report

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>>12193258
I was referring to the whole tree hugging luddite movement being whipped up by Soviet spies in the 60s to cripple our nuclear infrastructure, so yes, mostly in line with Bezmenov's point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:29:40 No.12193280 Report

Quoted By: >>12193326 >>12193366

Propanelox Texas rockets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:35:01 No.12193300 Report

Quoted By: >>12193329

>>12193242
Supersonic planes died because it was and still is to more profitable to use subsonic passengers planes and then sell first class tickets to those that want confort.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:35:17 No.12193303 Report

Quoted By: >>12193332

>>12192971
Although funny enough sea dragon was the first rocket to be designed explicitly for reducing $/kg. Starship bears some resemblance to it too - they're both two-stage fully-reusable ballistic rockets with steel tankage, fabricated and assembled on the coast and then launched from the ocean.

Despite the memes it may end up looking really prescient in hindsight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:45:38 No.12193326 Report

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>>12193280
PropaNOS /sfg/ grain silo rocket

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:45:40 No.12193327 Report

Quoted By: >>12193332

Will starship get scrubbed as much as f9 or is f9 just a cocktease?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:46:17 No.12193329 Report

Quoted By: >>12193355 >>12193450

>>12193300
Except people that will pay for first class travel would also be willing to pay a little bit more to get to their destination three times faster. There is, and always has been, a market for supersonic aircraft that service business class passengers. That's why there are like four different supersonic aircraft projects in development right now, some of which have significant backing from major manufacturers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:46:43 No.12193330 Report

Quoted By:

>>12192901
>The "Every Gram at Any Cost" mentality
It's frustrating to deal with. Proposing overbuilding something in aerospace gets met with "come on, we're not civil engineers" as if it's a dumb idea despite the most enduring aerospace designs being ones that were overbuilt in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:47:38 No.12193332 Report

Quoted By: >>12193336

>>12193303
Literally the only reason it wouldn't have worked was combustion instability in the giant engine. If Starship+SuperHeavy used single enormous nozzles instead of clustered Raptors it'd look a LOT like a Sea Dragon.

>>12193327
F9 is a very skinny rocket and the first stage typically lands on floating barges. Big chunky SuperHeavy doing RTLS every flight is going to have much more tolerance for weather fuckery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:48:41 No.12193336 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193332
>If Starship+SuperHeavy used single enormous nozzles instead of clustered Raptors it'd look a LOT like a Sea Dragon.
T-Rex engine when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:51:16 No.12193348 Report

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>>12193243
No, but the propeller spins at supersonic speeds, and is therefore exposed to supersonic airflow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:53:50 No.12193355 Report

Quoted By: >>12193366

>>12193329
>Except people that will pay for first class travel would also be willing to pay a little bit more to get to their destination three times faster
You are forgetting costs per passenger to actually get them there ie you git more money from a conventional airliner then from a Concorde, and let's not get into R&D as well as assembly line retooling costs.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:56:34 No.12193363 Report

Quoted By: >>12193375 >>12193424 >>12193485

Boy do I love spending all of my time troubleshooting mods instead of enjoying them

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 19:57:37 No.12193366 Report

Quoted By: >>12193392 >>12193450

>>12193280
>propalox
TASTE THE Isp NOT THE HEAT
>>12192942
If you could do that, it would be better to launch it on Venus and get that little fucker spinning properly.
>>12193045
make souvenir paperweights, 304L fuck yeah!
>>12193355
Concorde was losing money until they decided fuck it, let's charge what it costs. And people still paid it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:01:00 No.12193375 Report

Quoted By: >>12193382 >>12193438

>>12193363
>Oh no ksp rss ro rp0 fucken whatever doesn't work
You'll learn to accept the realities of the shitty unity engine this game is precariously perched on

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:02:25 No.12193382 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193375
I've never seen the game only load half the parts of a mod into the game before despite having all of the parts in the gamedata folder thats a new one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:05:27 No.12193392 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193366
>Concorde was losing money until they decided fuck it, let's charge what it costs. And people still paid it.
And it failed to make as much money as a boeing 747. And no bothered to compete with it as well because of the high R&D costs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:17:16 No.12193415 Report

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Have they found the new leak on the ISS yet?
Read somewhere that it's in a russian part again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:22:15 No.12193424 Report

Quoted By: >>12193430 >>12193485

>>12193363
I had this exact problem, I don't get it. Some Mk33 parts just don't load

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:24:09 No.12193430 Report

Quoted By: >>12193485

>>12193424
Yeah and I tried it on a freshly installed KSP too as a last resort, the only mod loaded was the Mark 33, same fucking problem.

How does that even happen, the part files are all in the gamedata folders, but the parts that actually show up in the VAB are only half of those, I've never encountered this shit before, really frustrating, really wanted to fly that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:24:30 No.12193433 Report

Quoted By: >>12193441

>>12192942
if you are moving EARTH off its orbit... don't that make it the rocket?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:29:52 No.12193438 Report

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>>12193375
That was a very poetic, carl sagan way of describing the game lmao. Crashes even in vanilla are common

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:30:19 No.12193439 Report

Quoted By: >>12193451

>>12192984
You do realize that aerodynamic simulation exists, right? Starship isn't a complex geometric design, it's a tube with a nosecone and 4 fins, it's very easy to plug it into a simulator and see that the reentry works in theory. The difficult part is determining if the welds are strong enough, if the fin actuators are powerful/fast enough and if the Raptors can restart and throttle properly under those forces. You could maybe test the Raptors on a subscale prototype, but the other two factors are completely incomparable due to the way surface area/volume and weight scale.

I'm assuming you're just shit posting at this point, but you are wildly overestimating how complex and expensive the current prototypes are. They are using off the shelf steel, Tesla batteries and motors and probably a bunch of spare Falcon avionics components. I'd be willing to bet that on SN8 the three Raptors will cost more than the rest of the stack combined.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:30:47 No.12193441 Report

Quoted By: >>12193458

>>12193433
what if the carbon monoxide molecules are the real rocket and they're just using the falcon 9 as exhaust dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:34:29 No.12193450 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193329
>>12193366
>Concorde
I can talk with some authority as aeronautic technician telling you the Concorde was not only too costly to operate, it was also not very flexible and the US did all they could to kill it (out of jealousy surely).
It existed for a market that don't exist anymore. Businessman who need to attend affair across the world in a short time.

We have internet now, presence isn't necessary.
If there's a new market, it's the 1% who will want SMALL supersonic jet, and it will only be decided if they make one who can land on small aerodrome instead of being stuck with the big one.

I can also tell that from authority, Falcon manufacturer lost a lot of customer because their (awesome) big jet couldn't do small aerodrome.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:35:04 No.12193451 Report

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>>12193439
>You do realize that aerodynamic simulation exists, right? Starship isn't a complex geometric design, it's a tube with a nosecone and 4 fins
>it's a tube

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:37:07 No.12193458 Report

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>>12193441
the way it's phrase, it imply the exhaust is so powerful it push Earth away like a shaped-bomb would push an Orion.

Analogy are hard

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:46:17 No.12193485 Report

Quoted By: >>12193530

>>12193363
>>12193424
>>12193430
Alright I got it working, turns out you absolutely do need ModuleManager https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/50533-18x-110x-module-manager-414-july-7th-2020-locked-inside-edition/ despite the mod author saying you don't, I downloaded that and suddenly everything was there

I can see why a mod as ambitious and complex as this would require it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:50:22 No.12193500 Report

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>tfw you will never take the slide to your spaceplane seat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:52:15 No.12193507 Report

Quoted By: >>12193518 >>12193519 >>12193533 >>12193544

Just as a hypothetical but would a future space city. Assuming trillion people or so. In those cases doesn't it make the most sense to build a pseudo dyson sphere, and then build an entire civilization on top of it in an enormous circle. What would the down sides be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:52:52 No.12193512 Report

Quoted By: >>12193550

>>12192952
Pretty sure NASA paid for that though. Also they HAD to as part of the certification process so.... I mean they very well COULD build a scale model and put it on a falcon 9 but it would cost more than doing a full sized model, and wouldn't get them 100% accurate data. Assuming they did do this mini starship falcon 9 idea, they would still have to model a full sized one eventually

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:55:00 No.12193518 Report

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>>12193507
What the fuck anon lmoa. Dyson spheres are popsci bullshit. Freeman Dyson proposed it as a hypothetical and all the fermi paradox fags hijacked the idea. A civilization with even a trillion people could get away with fusion or reactionless drive energy and be fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:55:15 No.12193519 Report

Quoted By: >>12193626

>>12193507
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:55:30 No.12193521 Report

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How delicate are RCS on reentry really? Should my internal RCS on my spaceplane be continuously exploding on reentry? Since I'm a dumb dumb at modding, I might just lower the deadly reentry multiplier until "LEO rated" parts stop exploding on LEO reentry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:56:14 No.12193523 Report

Quoted By: >>12193532 >>12193576

>>12193040
I fell asleep to this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:57:22 No.12193530 Report

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>>12193485
Thanks man, I was looking at the configs and found DockRotate mod mentioned in reference to the Aft tank. Wonder if other mods are needed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:58:18 No.12193532 Report

Quoted By: >>12193542

>>12193523
Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 20:58:54 No.12193533 Report

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>>12193507
Did you just had a stroke?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:03:38 No.12193541 Report

Quoted By: >>12193553

Could Venturestar work using high temp superconductors to mitigate the heating/metallurgy issues with the aerospike?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:03:43 No.12193542 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193532
It put me down for 2 hours. Last thing I remember is 30 Doradis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:06:40 No.12193544 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193507
Why not just build a teleporter to teleport everyone to far side of the universe. Each person gets a solar system to themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:07:32 No.12193550 Report

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>>12193512
Nonsense. You don't know anything,

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:08:55 No.12193553 Report

Quoted By: >>12193558 >>12193604

>>12193541
If Starship is a success will there really be a need for a Venturestar like craft?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:10:10 No.12193557 Report

Quoted By: >>12193605

>>12192942
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:10:27 No.12193558 Report

Quoted By: >>12193579 >>12193604

>>12193553
No, but Starship still has a few questions outstanding in regards to full and rapid reusability. How fast can they actually turn around a Superheavy with 30 odd Raptors?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:13:14 No.12193565 Report

Quoted By: >>12193570 >>12193575 >>12193588 >>12193609

This is a familiar sight...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:15:27 No.12193568 Report

Quoted By: >>12193574 >>12193580 >>12193661

>20 million for a gender neutral space toilet

How would you cheapen it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:16:10 No.12193570 Report

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>>12193565
just setting up the new orbital assembly pad bro

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:18:43 No.12193574 Report

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>>12193568
A down-rated version of this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:19:08 No.12193575 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193565
EXPENDABLE LAUNCHPADS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:19:46 No.12193576 Report

Quoted By: >>12193583

>>12193523
guess you zoomers prefer the flashy and awesome 2 minutes popscience videos

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:20:27 No.12193577 Report

Quoted By: >>12193587

Have you guys joined the paraffin LOX rocket revolution yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiartiM4lsQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:21:30 No.12193579 Report

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>>12193558
I imagine that they'll need to build some kind of engine checkout robot. Something that can go to each individual Raptor, autonomously plug in to some diagnostic ports, and perform a visual inspection. Spacex has access to what is likely the world's current best machine learning (and specifically, machine vision) expertise from Tesla, so a team of two or three bots could roll under the booster, assess all the engines, and flag any potential issues to launch-site engineers.
Probably some design optimizations to enable fast engine swap, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:21:53 No.12193580 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193568
Mandatory colostomy for astronauts

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:22:22 No.12193583 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193576
I liked it, it was just really calm and I was really tired

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:23:58 No.12193587 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193577
I might considering how long it takes for HTPB to solidify.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:24:04 No.12193588 Report

Quoted By: >>12193592 >>12193609

>>12193565
X-33 mod? That's shits kino

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:24:58 No.12193592 Report

Quoted By: >>12193595 >>12193638

>>12193588
Hell yeah, its also legit professional quality done

here the link https://spacedock.info/mod/2537/Mk-33

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:26:00 No.12193595 Report

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>>12193592
FULL IVA too, absolute madman

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:29:01 No.12193604 Report

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>>12193558
Duh, hopefully it delivers on all fronts. I suspect even if a raptor can only get like 5 flights out of each engine it will still be "cheap" at $2 mil a pop. Other engines are in the range of $200 mil.
>>12193553
No. TSTO is king. Although maybe I'm just a fag but I would love to see aerospikes on an upper stage Starship one day. They wouldn't really be needed on super heavy, but god damn aersopikes are cool as fuck and if you went through the trouble to make a cheap/good one it could replace both raptor and rapvac and you might as well throw them on superheavy to keep it simple and have one engine. TSTO Aeroass ITS is what I want to see in the future

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:29:09 No.12193605 Report

Quoted By: >>12193612

>>12192942
>>12193557
>Send a few to Venus with nuclear powered fuel refiners
>Launch them at odd angle from equator to spin Venus up more
>Take compressed gasses to Mars
>Terraformed 2 birds with 1 stone
Fund it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:31:06 No.12193609 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193565
>>12193588
oh but I meant this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:31:35 No.12193612 Report

Quoted By: >>12193616 >>12193618

>>12193605
Reminds me of that invader zim episode where they literally fly the planets because the engines are planet sized

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:34:31 No.12193616 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193612
also Ringworld's traveling star system

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:35:28 No.12193618 Report

Quoted By: >>12193631

>>12193612
Was it Mars and Mercury? Or Mars and Moon? Invader Zim was based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:39:06 No.12193626 Report

Quoted By: >>12193651

>>12193519
basically you start out with giant solar arrays. And whatever living quarters you need not far away. Then as you scale it up some distance from the sun. Most of it's surface area would be dominated by some form of housing and giant solar array to power it. Over time like in modern cities you'd end up with a giant hive of civilization anchored around solar arrays feeding off any given sun..

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:40:21 No.12193631 Report

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>>12193618
Mars and Mercury. It's very similar to Idiocracy. The janitor as NASA casually mentions that the Martians also turned Mercury into a spaceship lmao.
I think hullo has a video where he talks about the necessary physics for something like this. I think it has to deal with moving the Moon's orbit with SRB's or something

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:42:18 No.12193636 Report

Quoted By: >>12193650

this is sex

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:42:23 No.12193638 Report

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>>12193592

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:42:57 No.12193639 Report

Quoted By: >>12193645

>>12193638
this thing is OP as fuck on stock KSP lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:44:50 No.12193645 Report

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>>12193639
Yeah there's no fucking way it works this well irl

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:46:40 No.12193650 Report

Quoted By: >>12193652 >>12193666 >>12193695

>>12193636
very sex

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:46:49 No.12193651 Report

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>>12193626
We could do that in miniature with an O’Neill cylinder where there is a concentrated solar powerplant on the sunward side and a Plama magnet sail arranged at Mars’ L1 to form a magnetosphere generator for the planet
Just have a particle gatherer and plasma thrusters for station keeping
It would be Mars’s Deep Space 9

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:47:33 No.12193652 Report

Quoted By: >>12193670

>>12193650
is it bad my first instinct is to make a manned version in RO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:49:56 No.12193661 Report

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>>12193568
centrifugal artificial gravity but only on the toilet part or the ship

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:50:19 No.12193664 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:50:55 No.12193666 Report

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>>12193650
What the fuck is this? This is absolutely based

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:51:46 No.12193670 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193652
no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:51:57 No.12193671 Report

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>>12193666
Navajo missile, ramjet intercontinental cruise missile on a single Atlas engine

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 21:53:19 No.12193678 Report

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>>12193666
It's the SM-64 Navaho, Satan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:00:46 No.12193695 Report

Quoted By: >>12193703 >>12193704

>>12193650
>that one plan to stick the X-15 on a cluster of Navahos in order to beat the Russians to orbit
The early days of the space race were a wild time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:02:55 No.12193703 Report

Quoted By: >>12193707 >>12193710 >>12193713

>>12193695
Would the x15 not fucking self immolate from an orbital reentry? Also it is my understanding that is was abysmal at controlling. God damn, both the russians and NASA had so much soul in those early days up until apollo/skylab

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:03:10 No.12193704 Report

Quoted By: >>12193717 >>12193743 >>12193761

>>12193695
how the fuck did russia have a 500 ton launchpad in 1957 this is bullshit we spent all this time trying to get the gay ass baby vanguard working and the fucking Ruskies just cheated on pad size and went big

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:04:27 No.12193707 Report

Quoted By: >>12193721

>>12193703
>X-15 reentering from LEO, colorized
https://youtu.be/cmAlQvDQGoI

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:05:25 No.12193710 Report

Quoted By: >>12193716 >>12193728 >>12193735 >>12193826 >>12194132

>>12193703
>Would the x15 not fucking self immolate from an orbital reentry?
North American has you covered anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:06:22 No.12193713 Report

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>>12193703
Yeah it was dangerous as fuck. I didn't really like First Man, but that opening scene with the X-15 was cool. The way it glows from heat and fucks up when it bounces off the atmosphere is cool

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:06:36 No.12193716 Report

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>>12193710
>thorium TPS tiles

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:06:45 No.12193717 Report

Quoted By: >>12193743

>>12193704
Two main reasons, the Soviets were more interested in spaceflight than the Americans early on and had a head-start, and a reluctance by America to use rockets derived from ballistic missiles (ex: V-2/Redstone and Atlas) early on. Meanwhile the Soviets had no qualms about using something to explore space that was once used to carry city destroying bombs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:07:21 No.12193721 Report

Quoted By: >>12193725

>>12193707
VENUSIAN SICKNESS
VENUSIAN BILIOUS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:08:31 No.12193725 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193721
VENUSIAN
SICKNESS DIRE
I WANT TO BE
SET ON FIRE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:09:23 No.12193728 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193710
>you get to go to space, but you'll be sterile
would you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:11:46 No.12193735 Report

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>>12193710
Literally how did it have the thrust/weight ratio to carry the balls of those test pilots to the fringe of the atmosphere

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:13:13 No.12193742 Report

Quoted By: >>12193760

REMEMBER
WHERE TO ENTER
THE DOOR TO HELL IS AMBER

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:13:25 No.12193743 Report

Quoted By: >>12193752 >>12193758 >>12193793

>>12193704
>>12193717

Another reason is that Korolev tricked the Soviet MoD into building the R-7, an oversized, impractical ICBM but which would be the perfect basis for a space rocket.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:15:19 No.12193752 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193743
Yup I'm thinking he was based

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:18:46 No.12193758 Report

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>>12193743
>world cup decal

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:19:00 No.12193759 Report

Quoted By: >>12193764

>tfw arguing about plasma thrusters and space shipping containers with /sfg/ finally gave me the missing piece for a scifi universe

If my shitty idea ever becomes a published novel I'll mention this place in the acknowledgements.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:19:08 No.12193760 Report

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>>12193742
>melts

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:19:36 No.12193761 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193704
Because USSR had no place that they could launch a 2000 km range missile at Washington like US could from Europe or Turkey so they had to go all the way to ICBM and R7 was designed without in flight staging because that was not needed even while usefull in LV

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:21:15 No.12193764 Report

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>>12193759
put me in the screencap

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:22:43 No.12193769 Report

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Attention Fags, ASOG is somewhere on America's coastline, but where? Where is this big boy being built? Supposedly it's right under our noses

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:23:43 No.12193770 Report

Quoted By: >>12193777

>>12192860
>>12192901
this, also Falcon 9 needed to chase that maximum performance just a little bit due to being size limited by road transport
Starship they just made it as big as they needed and then added a meter
>>12192866
correct

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:28:20 No.12193777 Report

Quoted By: >>12193791

>>12193770
This is actually why ULA has their "Rocketship" for transporting their boosters by river - Atlas, Delta, and Vulcan cores are too chubby to transport by road.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:30:46 No.12193785 Report

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>>12192758
As long as shit landing on it doesn't suffer from a shortfall of gravity as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:32:35 No.12193791 Report

Quoted By: >>12193804

>>12193777
Checked, and the rocketship is actually cool as fuck. It has to go all the way down to the panama canal just to get stuff transported across the US. But I guess you don't really have another option hahah

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:33:47 No.12193793 Report

Quoted By: >>12193798

>>12193743
Soyuz is actually so sexy. Russian shit looks so specific, but it's hard to give a qualitative descriptor to

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:36:44 No.12193798 Report

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>>12193793
AYO WASSUP THEN

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:36:47 No.12193799 Report

Quoted By: >>12193806

>What up, tank watchers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:41:23 No.12193804 Report

Quoted By: >>12193814

>>12193791
Imagine that being your job, cruising calm (sub)tropical waters, protected by the US Coast Guard, with a cargo of SPACE ROCKETS. Aside from the ayylmao-anal-probe levels of background check to get hired it'd be comfy as fuck for everyone not on mop-and-paint duty.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:41:49 No.12193806 Report

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>>12193799

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:42:36 No.12193809 Report

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>>12193105
one way or round trip?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:43:38 No.12193812 Report

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>>12193152
isn't that the plot of Metroid Prime 2 Echoes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:43:59 No.12193814 Report

Quoted By: >>12193828

>>12193804
It would be comfy. I assume the ship has amenities like beds and a cafeteria. Do other companies / NASA or space force have an equivalent? Being on a space force rocket ship rocketship would be peak comfy with little stress

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:46:11 No.12193823 Report

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>>12193242
Anon, the Concorde flew for a ages. It's just not economical in the first place. Which is why no one looked into fixing all the other issues.
If a plane with this kind of fuel consumption at these speeds will never be economical, you can just scrap the entire development before it even begins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:46:44 No.12193826 Report

Quoted By: >>12193833 >>12193836 >>12193837 >>12193838 >>12193851 >>12193869 >>12194887

>>12193710
whats the best way to pronounce molybdenum?
>mull-ib-den-um
>molly-bend-um
>mull-ib-denim
the second way is how my welding teacher pronounced it so started saying it that way because he was an experienced dude. Later I went to college for metallurgy and my prof looked at me like I was retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:47:31 No.12193828 Report

Quoted By: >>12193851

>>12193814
NASA has a boat of some kind for getting orangetankbad from Alabama to KSC, like they did for the Shuttle, but other than that the SRBs go by train (they're actually diameter limited by train tunnels through the Rocky Mountains, thanks Utah), and the Shuttle had a 747 carrier. Everything NASA flies from Vandenburg is either ULA or SpaceX anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:49:56 No.12193833 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193826
bullibdenum

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:50:34 No.12193836 Report

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>>12193826
bulbasaur

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:50:47 No.12193837 Report

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>>12193826
aluminium

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:50:59 No.12193838 Report

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>>12193826
Definitely the first one.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:55:01 No.12193851 Report

Quoted By: >>12193860

>>12193826
The first way is how all the crystallographers and petrologists I know pronounce it. Therefore it is the correct way.
>>12193828
Ahh yeah that's right. The big ass guppy. Also I want to know the history of SpaceX's shitty little fairing ships. I wonder if the captains came as part of the purchase. Elon probably gives them bonuses for each fairing caught lmao

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:57:21 No.12193857 Report

Quoted By: >>12193861 >>12193863 >>12193888

Today is sputnik launch anniversary, say something nice about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:58:01 No.12193860 Report

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>>12193851
does this planet make my ass look fat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:58:45 No.12193861 Report

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>>12193857
he boop and beep

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:59:03 No.12193863 Report

Quoted By: >>12193883

>>12193857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It42TsD7_sI

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 22:59:37 No.12193866 Report

Quoted By: >>12193926

is there anything more satisfying in KSP than designing craft and mission profiles so that the whole thing can proceed fully automated without any fuckups and all you have to do is press the buttons and sit back

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 23:00:50 No.12193869 Report

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>>12193826
>molly-bend-um

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 23:04:53 No.12193883 Report

Quoted By: >>12193921 >>12193925 >>12193935 >>12193960 >>12193976 >>12194000 >>12194047 >>12194328

>>12193863
I propose a /mu/ edition for the next /sfg/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIo6qwJarI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKcl4-tcuo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 23:06:58 No.12193888 Report

Quoted By: >>12193897

>>12193857
This little nigga forced us to go to the moon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 23:10:01 No.12193897 Report

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>>12193888
It was a triple dog dare; we had to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 23:18:29 No.12193921 Report

Quoted By: >>12193925

>>12193883
>picking Life on Mars as the second Bowie space song instead of Ziggy Stardust, Starman, or Moonage Daydream

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 23:22:19 No.12193925 Report

Quoted By: >>12194477

>>12193883
Chris Hadfield really did the bare minimum on the space station in terms of filming himself yet everyone remembers him. Idk if its because he's canadian or because no other astronaut really gives a fuck to film personal activities lol
>>12193921
Literally every time I hear life on mars I think of the falcon heavy launch. I also like rocketman by elton gay but idk if its SUPPOSED to be about space

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 23:22:21 No.12193926 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193866
Perfectly balancing a spaceplane so it's stable on reentry, through the entire mach range down to landing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 23:25:41 No.12193935 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193883
>no infest the rat's nest
https://youtu.be/LttEXjSZCoE

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 23:39:44 No.12193960 Report

Quoted By: >>12193976 >>12194000 >>12194009

>>12193883
your picks are a tad cliché
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyYC5dRM4vc

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 23:47:47 No.12193976 Report

Quoted By: >>12194000

>>12193883
>>12193960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2c17Ji4MwY

I KNOW MY FAITH HAS MEANING

I HAVE FORGOTTEN WHY

IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO ME

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHY

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 23:58:29 No.12194000 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193976
>>12193960
>>12193883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmO2xMPY_JU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2020 23:59:41 No.12194002 Report

Quoted By: >>12194004 >>12194013

historically speaking, how many times have humans jacked off in the ISS

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:01:10 No.12194004 Report

Quoted By: >>12194015

>>12194002
remember those astronaut accounts about sticky walls and stinky modules?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:02:19 No.12194009 Report

Quoted By: >>12194044 >>12194049 >>12194050

>>12193960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH8lvwXx_Y8

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:03:42 No.12194013 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194002
>12193636
Uhh what's the average stay for astronauts up there? Because even conservatively, it's got to be triple digits. I wonder if you can feel the station shaking when someone's in their bunk with the curtain closed.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:04:27 No.12194015 Report

Quoted By: >>12194020 >>12194029

>>12194004
SpaceX better invest in micro-g rated pressure washers for their Starships.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:06:52 No.12194020 Report

Quoted By: >>12194026

>>12194015
so when they send a colony ship of 80 folks, what do you think the carry on cargo will be allowed per person? i want to bring my switch

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:08:57 No.12194026 Report

Quoted By: >>12194433

>>12194020
Probably like 20 pounds of personal stuff.

A human is like 180 and the life support to keep them alive is way more than that, so there'd definitely be a little wiggle room.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:10:16 No.12194028 Report

Quoted By: >>12194031 >>12194034

Godamn I love how modular this thing is

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:10:23 No.12194029 Report

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>>12194015
Jesus christ, do yall remember that schizo anon a few months ago that was CONVINCED VR was the end of humanity; and more specifically that it critically endangered the mission to Mars because, quote. "all the astronauts will intrinsically get sucked into their VR headset and won't care to socialize or leave the ship once it lands" lmao

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:11:18 No.12194031 Report

Quoted By: >>12194034

>>12194028
woops ignore that one

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:12:18 No.12194034 Report

Quoted By: >>12194040

>>12194028
>>12194031
I've been having issues with the cargo snapping. how tf did you fix it?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:15:03 No.12194038 Report

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>Still no proposal for a large spacecraft being built in orbit that could be used for multiple solar wide missions and manned exploration efforts
We were born too early bro's...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:15:39 No.12194040 Report

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>>12194034
That was giving me trouble too, I figured out you should set to toggle snap, hover the module over the green node until its right on top of it (module should be upside down) then press s or w to right it back up and place - it should be centerline and flush then, then repeat for the next but you'll want to toggle snap off and then translate the second module just an inch closer to the other module and it sort of auto snaps flush really nicely, repeat with all modules

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:16:14 No.12194044 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194009
yep based

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:17:47 No.12194047 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDXfQTD_rgQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:18:31 No.12194049 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ5ek6YQrSU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:19:25 No.12194050 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194009
based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lddKP4Dh93I

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:23:54 No.12194059 Report

Quoted By: >>12194121

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WLE6FpAcVs

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:37:19 No.12194094 Report

Quoted By: >>12194895

enlightening look inside that one test tank

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:52:39 No.12194114 Report

Quoted By: >>12194117

Cryo test prep tonight in ~1 hours

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:53:49 No.12194117 Report

Quoted By: >>12194124

>>12194114
Link!?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:56:33 No.12194121 Report

Quoted By: >>12194126 >>12194903

>>12194059
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w34fSnJNP-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DiWxcilWtU

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 00:57:35 No.12194124 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194117
Look for the Labpadre or NSF streams on youtube

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:00:12 No.12194126 Report

Quoted By: >>12194136

>>12194121
Firefly music is so god damn good

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:03:11 No.12194132 Report

Quoted By: >>12194135 >>12194181 >>12194183

>>12193710
>thorium oxide

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:03:52 No.12194135 Report

Quoted By: >>12194141

>>12194132
Can you explain the thorium meme to me? Does it just make you sterile or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:04:28 No.12194136 Report

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>>12194126
It's a shame no one ever hired Ennio Morricone to make music for a sci-fi flick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:05:50 No.12194141 Report

Quoted By: >>12194235 >>12194907

>>12194135
Thorium is radioactive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:08:56 No.12194159 Report

Quoted By: >>12194191

Why is the X-33 so god damn difficult to take off and land? I can't generate enough lift at 400m/s

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:09:41 No.12194164 Report

Quoted By: >>12194172 >>12194176 >>12194214 >>12194305 >>12194324

Used to fucking hate jazz but idk... between Halo 3: ODST and Bebop it has awakened something in me
https://youtu.be/WKnVaDwUg5s

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:12:25 No.12194172 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194164
Fuck that’s good. Pure vangelis blade runner vibes. I’ll listen to that on mars

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:13:54 No.12194176 Report

Quoted By: >>12194209

>>12194164
I don't play video games but this is outstanding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aHQnDTd1y4

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:15:39 No.12194181 Report

Quoted By: >>12194192

>>12194132
What an awful image.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:16:54 No.12194183 Report

Quoted By: >>12194192

>>12194132
>reddit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:20:36 No.12194189 Report

Quoted By: >>12194194 >>12194197 >>12194198

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:20:50 No.12194191 Report

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>>12194159
it's a missile cosplaying as a plane

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:21:06 No.12194192 Report

Quoted By: >>12194195 >>12194221

>>12194181
>>12194183
I am a conservative non fur fag, but I found this image kinda... good. Who do I go to for help

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:21:23 No.12194194 Report

Quoted By: >>12194236

>>12194189
kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:22:06 No.12194195 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194192
The bottom of a river.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:22:49 No.12194197 Report

Quoted By: >>12194236

>>12194189
ORNITHOPTER
MARINE
SPACE PLANES

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:23:07 No.12194198 Report

Quoted By: >>12194236 >>12194247

>>12194189
Reenter at a more vertical attitude. You need to kill a lot of your horizontal energy and glide at a more shallower angle. I don't think KSP has the physics to let you bounce off the atmosphere so you should be okay

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:24:37 No.12194199 Report

Quoted By: >>12194236

>He deleted it
Anon that X33 reentry was funny, shoulda kept it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:27:01 No.12194209 Report

Quoted By: >>12194297

>>12194176
if you like the song and post in /sfg/ you'd probably like mgs 1-3. they're pretty much that song in vidya form.

My musical contribution is the time John Barry made the shuttle seem badass in Moonraker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMYGbnmhh58

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:28:01 No.12194214 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194164
Bebop has so many good songs its just amazing. So many of my all time best songs are from Bebop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:31:26 No.12194221 Report

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>>12194192
>>>/trash/hmofa/

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:38:52 No.12194235 Report

Quoted By: >>12194237

>>12194141
it's less radioactive than a fucking banana

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:39:04 No.12194236 Report

Quoted By: >>12194255 >>12194269 >>12194290 >>12194306

>>12194199
>>12194194
>>12194197
>>12194198
sorry, got rid of the gay watermark

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:39:16 No.12194237 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194235
EXPENDABLE
BANANA
TPS

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:41:30 No.12194243 Report

Quoted By: >>12194275

there better be a launch in the morning or a bunch of job openings will become available at spacex

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:42:29 No.12194247 Report

Quoted By: >>12194273

>>12194198
I've done it before, but from LEO the worst that can happen is you go suborbital again and miss the runway by a hundred miles
you only need to worry about "skipping" if you're coming in from interplanetary and don't slow down enough, then you'll go back out

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:45:52 No.12194255 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194236
>"MAMA!"
>"LOOK!"
>"IM MOVING MY WINGS JUST LIKE YOU TAUGHT ME!"
>"IM FLYING MA-"
>splat

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:54:07 No.12194269 Report

Quoted By: >>12194288 >>12194911

>>12194236
bruh you had several thousand km/s left, just do propulsive entry

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:55:35 No.12194273 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194247
>you only need to worry about "skipping" if you're coming in from interplanetary and don't slow down enough, then you'll go back out
tfw we had interplanetary reentry worked out in 1969 but Congress wouldn't fund the rockets to go to Mars

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:56:13 No.12194275 Report

Quoted By: >>12194278 >>12194281

>>12194243
It's a cryo test tomorrow, not a flight

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:57:08 No.12194278 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194275
I think he's referring to the F9 that keeps getting scrubbed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 01:57:46 No.12194281 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194275
starlink is launching in the morning

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:01:18 No.12194288 Report

Quoted By: >>12194344

>>12194269
huh..maybe that's why i flew like a brick

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:02:21 No.12194290 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194236
the seagull maneuver

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:04:52 No.12194297 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194209
Nah, m8. Like I said, I don't play video games.
Thanks for the music, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:09:42 No.12194305 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194164
Better track

https://youtu.be/9lJ-v-Ex58w

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:10:17 No.12194306 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194236
Majestic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:16:59 No.12194324 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194164
Does this qualify as jazz? I mean it has a saxophone... slow jazz? Either way it’s really good

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:17:57 No.12194328 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193883
>no Shatner sings Rocketman
anon pls

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:24:59 No.12194344 Report

Quoted By: >>12194349

>>12194288
yeah, you won't be able to fly unless your tanks are completely empty

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:26:46 No.12194349 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194344
filthy earthnoid he can't fly because his soul is weighed down by gravity

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:27:44 No.12194351 Report

Quoted By: >>12194360

>>12191112
Mars will have an archive of all pornography ever digitized that can't be DMCA'd

No you can't join the tracker. Earth IPs(EIPs) are banned

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:29:56 No.12194355 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191120
Question

If you took the deepest accessible point on mars, bombed it, then drilled it. How far would you have to bomb/drill to get decent atmospheric pressure? As in you could survive at that presure for a few hours?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:32:12 No.12194360 Report

Quoted By: >>12194366 >>12194371 >>12194378 >>12194383 >>12194393

>>12194351
Pornography is disgusting and degenerate. It should be illegal and production of it punished by death

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:33:30 No.12194366 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194360
Agreed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:33:36 No.12194367 Report

Quoted By: >>12194447

>>12191197
For me not really. I just get autistic second hand pleasure knowing operations are happening in space, and that heartless ocean is slowly being conquered. The further we go and the more affordable and luxurious it becomes the better I feel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:33:59 No.12194371 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194360
This but unironically

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:36:01 No.12194378 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194360
yeah and they should film it so I can wack one out

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:37:41 No.12194383 Report

Quoted By: >>12194395

>>12194360
Zero G porn will pay for the first ten years of the US space program and there's nothing incels or chinks can do to prevent it

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:40:07 No.12194393 Report

Quoted By: >>12194405 >>12194448

>>12194360
>mars colony is founded
>bans anything resembling porn
>the martians lack any good fapping material
>they begin to masturbate to the intricate machinery around them
>this turns into a cult of technophiles
>many millennia later
>mars becomes integrated into a new human empire as its source of technical experts

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:40:31 No.12194395 Report

Quoted By: >>12194398 >>12194407

>>12194383
The first people to film porn in the realm of space should be chemically castrated. Space is a domain for science and expansion- not degenerate "filmography" aimed at the lowest common denominator of civilization. The polynesians didn't let whores on to their exploration vessels and neither should any modern country with any sense of pride

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:41:55 No.12194398 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194395
Holy fuck this anon has unequivocally taken the redpill

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:45:07 No.12194405 Report

Quoted By: >>12194415

>>12194393
Jokes on you I'm already a technophile!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:45:26 No.12194407 Report

Quoted By: >>12194412 >>12194456

>>12194395
Space will be a place of mindless, amoral capitalist exploitation that makes even the most soulless American and East Asian bug hives look like the Soviet Union by comparison.

Pornography, genetically engineered humans, general AI. Everything that's banned, or could be banned, will be practiced in space and the normies on earth will be powerless to stop it because you need money to even get to space.

Space brothels will be the second business to open in space, after the mines.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:47:18 No.12194412 Report

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>>12194407
When everyone has nukes the only reasonable stance is the NAP

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:47:54 No.12194415 Report

Quoted By: >>12194418 >>12194419

>>12194405
Need any more lewds before the mods ban me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:48:29 No.12194418 Report

Quoted By: >>12194426

>>12194415
post upskirt shots

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:48:41 No.12194419 Report

Quoted By: >>12194436

>>12194415
Look at that NUTSACK

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:50:39 No.12194426 Report

Quoted By: >>12194435

>>12194418

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:52:01 No.12194433 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194026
>2028
>About to blast off from Baikonur to start Expedition 69
>ISS still operational somehow
>Starship now makes regular flights to the ISS
>Each cosmonaut is allocated a tiny mass budget for personal items and trinkets.
>Bring aboard stamp collection which you hope to sell once you come back down because the economy collapsed and your salary is shit
>Meanwhile Starship blasts off carrying a crew of two dozen astronauts and 70 tons of cargo to the ISS
>Each person can bring up to several hundred kilos of personal cargo just cause
>mfw

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:52:36 No.12194435 Report

Quoted By: >>12194441

>>12194426
gonna COOOM

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:52:41 No.12194436 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194419

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:53:18 No.12194439 Report

Quoted By:

Was it autism?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fXTML_0DBDM

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:53:50 No.12194441 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194435

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:54:13 No.12194443 Report

Quoted By:

Scientifically speaking, should you trust West German stamp dealers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:55:21 No.12194447 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194367
Luxury is bad. Life should be brutal and difficult.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:56:24 No.12194448 Report

Quoted By: >>12194453 >>12194461

>>12194393
They should be fucking eachother so they can grow the population quickly

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:57:46 No.12194453 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194448
JELLO BABIES JELLO BABIES

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 02:59:41 No.12194456 Report

Quoted By: >>12194462 >>12194471 >>12194575

>>12194407
Yeah maybe by the time we have reactionless drives and any nigger can make it to space then they can live out their firefly/bebop degenerate criminal life... but until then, when we are stuck using chemical rockets with each launch being important, there should be rules on who can go and what they can do. Hood rats and criminals and pornography “actors” and trouble makers should not be going to the moon or mars when we need smart productive people there to get the colonies started

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:00:26 No.12194461 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194448
thats boring though. at least throw in a kinky turbopump or a slutty fuse box into the mix.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:01:49 No.12194462 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194456
>pornography actors
no, you're going to get blue collar plumbers fucking their girlfriends in space for some extra income and you're going to like it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:02:28 No.12194464 Report

Quoted By: >>12194497

First spacecraft destroyed by enemy action when bros?

I'm setting the over/under at 2055

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:06:18 No.12194471 Report

Quoted By: >>12194482

>>12194456
SpaceX is far ahead of any government. Once mass produced TSTO reusables are proven to work, China will probably steal the technology and make their own, and other countries will seek to license it out.

The free market is beating the government by a massive margin.

Fairly soon, trips to Mars and other outer space destinations will be relatively cheap, and people like pornographers, hustlers, casino owners, and reality TV producers will be able to get into the industry.

Zero-G pornhub and billionaire space brothels will easily be worth more than the entire NASA budget, to say nothing of Roscosmos or other thirdoid programs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:06:44 No.12194477 Report

Quoted By: >>12194484 >>12194490

>>12193925
Being Canadian probably helps Hadfield's image a lot. In the US, he'd be one astronaut among many, but in Canada every astronaut matters more. By the sounds of it, he's basically a hero there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:08:50 No.12194482 Report

Quoted By: >>12194496 >>12194540

>>12194471
Space Porn Hub?

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:09:36 No.12194484 Report

Quoted By: >>12194495 >>12194530

>>12194477
For some reason Canada loves astronauts but hates having a space program. Our governor general (the Queen's representative when she's busy being Queen of somewhere else, which is most of the time) is Julie Payette (STS 127).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:11:42 No.12194490 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194477
Yeah exactly that's why I think he's so popular. He stands out because he is a popular canadian.. a country where it's already a big deal to be an astronaut (not to mention the vlogging commander of the ISS). American astronauts are superior in numbers and the average russian citizen probably doesn't even give a shit about cosmonauts, even if they like rockets

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:12:51 No.12194495 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194484
Julie Payette is very canadian looking if that makes sense. Canadians kind of look like beavers. Also her name is very canadian

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:13:00 No.12194496 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194482
I'm trying to figure out which would be more profitable, streaming, or actual hookers.

Space prostitutes would get a lot of billionaire clients looking to get a blowjob in space (because why else even be a billionaire) but none of them would want to own up to doing it. You could get around it by billing it as a space resort/space casino.

On the other hand, space porn could reach a ton of customers. With wealth inequality being what it is, a few billionaires could be more money than tens of millions of coomers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:13:02 No.12194497 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194464
1985
Challenger was sabotaged

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:16:56 No.12194511 Report

Quoted By:

space is hard

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:27:38 No.12194530 Report

Quoted By: >>12194534

>>12194484
>Our
Are you canadian? Fuck I was just thinking about Canada today. It's such a beautiful country. Would it be a shitty idea for an american to go over there for grad school? It's fucking beautiful and the geology is unbelievable. Similar enough to the US where I wouldn't get "culture shock"?

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:32:30 No.12194534 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194530
Canada is governed worse than California but it's nice to look at. If you basically want Washington State go to BC. If you like Montana go to the prairies. Alberta is cold Texas. The Maritimes are literally just Maine with more Frenchmen. Avoid Ontario and Quebec, except for museums and such.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:34:16 No.12194540 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194482
Israel's other space program: Because it's cheaper to get coomers to go on the moon than put beresheet on the moon.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:57:04 No.12194557 Report

Quoted By: >>12194559 >>12194560 >>12194564

I christen thee Bowtie station

[spoiler:lit]holy fuck you do not want to know how long this took me[/spoiler:lit]

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:57:51 No.12194559 Report

Quoted By: >>12194562

>>12194557
Now do it in realism overhaul

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:58:08 No.12194560 Report

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>>12194557
worth it though

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 03:59:25 No.12194562 Report

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>>12194559
good god no

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 04:05:12 No.12194564 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194557
Could the real venturestar have had a cockpit and docked at the nose? I thought the whole nose was just fuel tanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 04:11:51 No.12194575 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194456
The degenerates in Firefly were the ones with power.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 04:30:18 No.12194620 Report

Quoted By:

https://youtu.be/Kf6jjJwevNA?t=502

>look at how they massacred my boy

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 04:44:44 No.12194647 Report

Quoted By: >>12194655 >>12194674 >>12194676 >>12194756

3 777 flights can transport 100 metric tons to anywhere on Earth's surface. A 777 needs ~150 tons of jet fuel per flight, and jet fuel is $0.33/kg.

150 tons * 3 * $330/ton = $148500

Starship needs ~4800 tons of methalox per flight. Assuming a 3:1 O/F mixture,

3600 tons of LOX * $0.16/kg = $576k
1200 tons of CH4 * $1.35/kg = $1.6m
or $2.176m

Point-to-point starship will NEVER happen. Even if Elon's dream of getting propellant costs down to $900k somehow happens it's still not even close. Staying inside the atmosphere to suck up free oxygen beats out carrying extra oxygen into space every time.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 04:48:09 No.12194655 Report

Quoted By: >>12194754

>>12194647
t. thunderf00t

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 04:57:26 No.12194674 Report

Quoted By: >>12194696

>>12194647
You say
>free oxygen beats out carrying oxygen to space
But then you provide the own numbers to refute that. Oxygen is cheap, if it really is $0.16/kg compared to $0.33 of jet fuel. It's not the oxygen, it's the methane sitting at $1.35. Idk how it could be brought down, and desu I didn't realize it was that expensive, but at this point E2E just seems like an idea. Keep in mind that it will be faster than jet travel though. And you don't need the superheavy stage which I don't know if you factored in or not. Plus thus far he has only toyed with the idea as a means of personal transport, with high prices already stated. I.e. it will be for rich folk who would rather get somewhere quick and will pay any price necessary. But at that point why not just pay to go to space y'know? In conclusion I think it's not going to happen simply because you might as well use it to go to space

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 04:58:19 No.12194676 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194647
I'll pay to fly point of point just to see space and experience weightlessness, ifgaf about efficiency, if the ticket is few thousand dollars for my weight, I'll fucking do it

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:04:19 No.12194685 Report

Quoted By: >>12194696 >>12194699

Yes hello. Why do we use rovers rather than drones on Mars?

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:08:58 No.12194696 Report

Quoted By: >>12194707

>>12194674
If LOX is half as cheap as kerosene but you use more than 20x as much LOX then that doesn't really help. The cheapest oxygen is the kind your intakes pull out of the air for free.

I could absolutely see orbital tourism starship happening since there aren't any cheaper alternatives to it.

>>12194685
We're gonna test one when Perseverance lands next year, but the atmosphere is too thin for drones to easily work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:09:55 No.12194699 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194685
We just sent a drone with the latest rover.
Mars' atmosphere is only about 1% of Earths though so generating enough lift to make anything fly is difficult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RQWv1ybsjM

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:11:32 No.12194707 Report

Quoted By: >>12194718

>>12194696
Oh I am dumm. I didn’t take that into account lmao

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:15:07 No.12194716 Report

Quoted By:

This is India’s fully reusable launcher. It’s actually pretty cool but jt probably puts like 4 tons into LEO lol.

Probably enough to carry a capsule to the ISS and back though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:15:42 No.12194718 Report

Quoted By: >>12194732

>>12194707
It's not completely retarded since >we are looking at flyers but they have to have a lot more wing area so they look kinda wacky.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:22:23 No.12194732 Report

Quoted By: >>12194744

>>12194718
Oh I should have quoted. I was referring to the oxygen thingee. I forgot to look at the amount Starship carries. Yeah I know all about the Ingenuity helicopter. I worked on the mars 2020 mission (specifically, SHERLOC). Ingenuity has to spin its blades fast as FUCK because for all intents and purposes, Mars is basically a vacuum with a little bit of air

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:25:08 No.12194744 Report

Quoted By: >>12194760

>>12194732
My mistake then.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:29:09 No.12194754 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194655
I'd never watched a thunderf00t video before so I thought I'd check it out to see if he made any decent points.
>Arianne 5 costs $10k/kg so therefore Starship will too
>Shuttle would have cost $1m/passenger so therefore Starship will too
>Shuttle reentry took 30 minutes so therefore Starship will too
>E2E only takes 1/4 the energy of going to orbit
>ICBMs can do 30 minute E2E but they go faster than other rockets

How embarrassing. Will not watch again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:29:50 No.12194756 Report

Quoted By: >>12194777

>>12194647
Point to point doesn't need a booster. The total amount of CH4 and LOX is just 1200 tons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:30:52 No.12194760 Report

Quoted By: >>12194767 >>12194777

>>12194744
Oh no problem lol. Do you know more about the price of methane? I had no clue it was so expensive. What the fuck is up with that? Does most of it come from hydrocarbon drilling? Is producing it naturally expansive? I know jack shit about economics and I always assumed you could just use the sabatier process or something to make as much as you need

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:31:29 No.12194762 Report

Quoted By:

Realistically, can we expect a cryo test to actually happen tonight?

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:33:42 No.12194767 Report

Quoted By: >>12194771

>>12194760
LNG is cheap as fuck. Purifying 100% CH4 and bringing it down to cryogenic temperatures is the expensive part.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:36:10 No.12194771 Report

Quoted By: >>12194781

>>12194767
Oh fuck for real? In that case I can totally see it Elon being able to bring the price down. It's just an engineering problem. I thought it was intrinsically expensive. I should have asked my dad about about this before posting lmao he's autistic about LNG and hydrocarbons and the economics of it

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:39:32 No.12194777 Report

Quoted By: >>12194792

>>12194756
What sort of payload could a boosterless-starship carry though? It'd be well less than 100t.

>>12194760
To run sabatier you would need to have hydrogen on hand, and that can run you around $3/kg so it's not cost-effective.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:40:45 No.12194781 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194771
Yeah LNG is retardedly cheap in the US now thanks to fracking. It's a hot investor term. ULA sometimes describes Vulcan as LNG powered to investors - Tory Bruno has said on twatter that's so they understand where the propellant fits into American supply chains, and that Vulcan is in fact using methalox BE-4s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:45:17 No.12194792 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194777
>What sort of payload could a boosterless-starship carry though? It'd be well less than 100t.

It should have no trouble lofting its full payload capacity just about anywhere on Earth. The whole point of the booster is to get the extra ~2km/s of Delta-V that you can't squeeze onto the ship without destroying its payload mass fraction, and you don't need those 2km/s to get to the other side of the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:50:16 No.12194800 Report

Quoted By: >>12194814

Thread has staged.

Ignition:
>>12194799
>>12194799
>>12194799

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 05:56:18 No.12194814 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194800
>Thread has staged
I like this

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 06:25:42 No.12194887 Report

Quoted By:

>>12193826
>mull-ib-den-um
is correct.
You could also say maw-lib-den-um.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 06:27:50 No.12194895 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194094
That's some cool shit, doc

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 06:29:12 No.12194903 Report

Quoted By: >>12195026

>>12194121
Would you, sci?

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 06:30:22 No.12194907 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194141
>alphas
>14 billion year half life
bruh, you could wear a thorium codpiece and as long as you didn't eat it it'd do nothing to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 06:31:51 No.12194911 Report

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>>12194269
>several thousand km/s left
>several million m/s left
Is he using some kind of liner aerospike direct fusion propulsion system?

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 07:14:01 No.12195026 Report

Quoted By:

>>12194903
no
too humanoid

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2020 10:42:17 No.12195383 Report

Quoted By:

>>12191129
god imagine interplanetary 4chan. martians will literally be calling us earth-niggers.

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