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Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 05:55:00 2020 No.12144755 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12144757 >>12144767 >>12144813 >>12145303 >>12145643 >>12145647 >>12145677

Is the universe predetermined? If we're just a product of chain reactions from a set of fundamental forces started at the big bang leading to atom collisions, isn't our future already determined by the natural trajectory of these collisions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 05:56:20 No.12144757 Report

Quoted By: >>12144764 >>12144769 >>12145715

>>12144755
No see quantum mechanics. Although depends on how predetermined you mean. In the small human Perspective or the universe as a whole view perspective.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 06:00:42 No.12144764 Report

Quoted By: >>12144777 >>12144899

>>12144757
>see quantum mechanics

popsci-anons love to use these buzzwords
quantum mechanics may only appear random, but actually be deterministic. In which case, the future is already determined.
Using the buzzword 'quantum mechanics' alone is insufficient

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 06:02:33 No.12144767 Report

Quoted By: >>12145022

>>12144755
Probably predetermined. What does it change if it is or is not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 06:04:09 No.12144769 Report

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>>12144757
>citing quantum mechanics
please do explain exactly how quantum mechanics work
obviously you have a comprehensive understanding of the subject

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 06:09:20 No.12144777 Report

Quoted By: >>12144780

>>12144764
Completely wrong. Systems at large act deterministically of course. But human scale there can definitely be non deterministic things. Definitely if done artificially. Easiest way to refute you is just go use a quantum random number generator which exists You can buy one right now and do different things based on its output wow the universe is not deterministic or use the random number to pick a lottery winner wow not deterministic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 06:10:29 No.12144780 Report

Quoted By: >>12144783

>>12144777
>quantum mechanics may only appear random
>use a quantum random number generator

WOW you are some kind of genius aren't you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 06:12:21 No.12144783 Report

Quoted By: >>12144786 >>12144791

>>12144780
What does only appear random anon. Are you pushing some pseudo science trying to say it’s not actually random?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 06:13:41 No.12144786 Report

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>>12144783
i think he's trying to say that we can't yet be certain whether it is or isn't random. we simply are too ignorant to know the absolute nature of the universe, and to claim otherwise is delusional.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 06:15:50 No.12144791 Report

Quoted By: >>12144806 >>12145203

>>12144783
Not pushing pseudoscience
Not drinking your popsci koolaid

You are stuck under the delusion that the QM interpretation pushed by popsci writers is 100% true
Yet there are many deterministic interpretations such as De Broglie-Bohm, many worlds, and so on (check wikipedia for more)

If QM is deterministic, then the universe is deterministic. If QM is random, then you are right.
I'm simply saying, it could be either

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Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 06:25:27 No.12144805 Report

Quoted By: >>12144806 >>12144928

>many worlds not provable ever doesn’t change the reality of the world we live in that things are truly random
ngmi. Plus OP is talking about something directly if we know the position of all the atoms velocities etc can we predict the whole universe deterministically we can’t idk why you are trying to bring up retarded shit like many worlds.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 06:26:39 No.12144806 Report

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>>12144805
Meant for >>12144791

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 06:32:05 No.12144813 Report

Quoted By: >>12145208 >>12145366

>>12144755
Isn't it partially determined? Things are the way they are on the largest scale, but random beeps of energy keep happening and that's the random part?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 07:12:55 No.12144899 Report

Quoted By: >>12144935

>>12144764
i think both quantum-mechanics and buzzword have their respective places in respective dictionaries.
(You) are retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 07:21:12 No.12144928 Report

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>>12144805
I'm not pushing many worlds
I'm saying there are deterministic theories

OP didn't ask if we could predict the whole universe determinstically
He asked if the universe is predetermined

You need to learn how to read, and stop being a complete retard. I'm not wasting my time with you any further.
Stop being a stupid cuck, or kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 07:22:50 No.12144935 Report

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>>12144899
What an embarrassingly worthless post
imagine calling anyone a retard, whilst also making your post
that likes downsyndromal children calling hawking retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 08:05:19 No.12145022 Report

Quoted By: >>12145061

>>12144767
Well if it's predetermined I'm definitely going to be making some changes for starters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 08:25:02 No.12145061 Report

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>>12145022
What do you mean? What changes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 09:53:54 No.12145203 Report

Quoted By: >>12145519

>>12144791
>many worlds
>not pop-sci
Ha...ha...ha...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 09:56:53 No.12145208 Report

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>>12144813
>random beeps of energy

Energy's movement is not random.

It is neither created nor destroyed.

There is a constant for the vacuum energy, if that has fluctuations, then maybe this is what you mean?

Either way, it shouldn't be undeterministic, but I don't know enough about the research into randomization, and vacuum energy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 10:45:17 No.12145303 Report

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>>12144755
>what is life

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 11:34:48 No.12145366 Report

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>>12144813
>Isn't it partially determined?
that's how it seems to me on a basic or human level but this issue is always taken as an absolute, no middle ground

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 13:26:24 No.12145519 Report

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>>12145203
> implying that’s what he said
Nice strawmanning cuckboi

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 13:37:58 No.12145546 Report

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To me it's deterministic only locally.

The chain of events for any process up to the stars and down to the quantum realm will stop to make sense with sufficient events, with a big enough chain all signal will blend in with the others, as in you were counting coherence as a unit.

It's strangely charming in a way

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 14:39:54 No.12145643 Report

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>>12144755
If you believe in the general consensus that we have been pressed into being from a big bang event, and in turn favour the presumption that there will be an eventual reversal of the current generally accepted expansion of the universe, you will come to the conclusion that there will be an big collapse event at the end of time, so in these terms the universe in which we inhabit is predetermined and nothing we do ultimately matters.
Have a great life and don't fucking take it so seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 14:41:40 No.12145647 Report

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>>12144755
The universe does not evolve deterministically.
Causality and determinism are not the same thing.
Dumb fucking autist retards can't accept this because it makes them scared to think there is no deterministic ruleset for how things work. But that's irrelevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 14:56:11 No.12145677 Report

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>>12144755
>Is the universe predetermined?
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Sep 2020 15:14:29 No.12145715 Report

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>>12144757 Except for the possibility of superdeterminism as a loophole of bell's theorem.

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