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Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 15:21:28 2020 No.12127773 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12127775 >>12127830 >>12129486 >>12131937 >>12134186

Will there be a global famine in our lifetimes? It seems like an increasingly likely possibility.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 15:22:53 No.12127775 Report

Quoted By: >>12127865 >>12130004

>>12127773
Every famine in history has been caused by governments deliberately messing things up for the people so maybe in authoritarian countries China or Russia or even Brazil but not in any freedom loving country.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 15:44:48 No.12127827 Report

Quoted By: >>12134188 >>12134194

Its likely that once bees go extinct everyone will shit themselves till they find what to replace bees with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 15:45:42 No.12127830 Report

Quoted By: >>12134271

>>12127773
Probably.
By 2050 there is a projection that half of the world's population will rely on food imports. Coupled with the PL480, it might even make it hard for the US to stay in the export game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 15:51:49 No.12127847 Report

Quoted By: >>12127864 >>12131937

Yes, definitely.
Topsoil is being depleted at 100-100,000x the replacement rate. More than half of the planet’s usable arable land is already severely degraded.
Industrial agriculture is causing ecological collapse.
It’s also criticially dependent on petrochemicals, which are highly destructive and unsustainable.

We are FUCKED, and that’s not even counting climate change destroying crops

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 15:57:30 No.12127864 Report

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>>12127847
Basically this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 15:57:51 No.12127865 Report

Quoted By: >>12129385 >>12129390

>>12127775
>governments deliberately messing things up
Or, you know, a miniature fucking ice age.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Sep 2020 16:22:47 No.12127940 Report

Quoted By: >>12129470

Even in the worst famines the vast majority of effected population survives

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 00:28:37 No.12129385 Report

Quoted By: >>12129462

>>12127865
not in our lifetime

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 00:31:11 No.12129390 Report

Quoted By: >>12129393 >>12129437 >>12129462 >>12131937

>>12127865
nigger we have hydroponics and air conditioning and shit.
Only turd world dregs who can't provide for themselves will die off (and that's a good thing)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 00:32:46 No.12129393 Report

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>>12129390
they won't die off peacefully, they'll wage wars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 00:47:10 No.12129437 Report

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>>12129390
Either are orders of magnitude more expensive than current agriculture, Imagine paying 30$ for a loaf of bread, and 100$ for a steak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 00:55:05 No.12129462 Report

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>>12129385
>>12129390
The mini ice age killed off a third of europe and asia. I'm talking about a historical event not something that could potentially happen. This famine already DID happen.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 00:57:50 No.12129470 Report

Quoted By: >>12129480 >>12132318

>>12127940
Because they eat the corpses of those who starved

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 01:03:26 No.12129480 Report

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>>12129470
Pretty good food source!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 01:07:21 No.12129486 Report

Quoted By: >>12131494

>>12127773
yes, and that's a good thing!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 04:18:46 No.12130004 Report

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>>12127775
>Every famine in history has been caused by governments deliberately messing things up for the people
lmao what the fuck are you on, not everything has to be politically motivated you dingus. Most current-day famines occur in Africa and are due to a lack of self-sufficiency in food production (no land crops in the middle of the desert)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 15:28:43 No.12131494 Report

Quoted By: >>12131927

>>12129486
Who is this gentleman?

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 17:50:26 No.12131927 Report

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>>12131494

mr Chungus

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mr Chungus Thu 17 Sep 2020 17:55:07 No.12131937 Report

Quoted By: >>12132201 >>12133545

>>12127773
>>12127847
>>12129390
The Netherlands is a thing. They are a tiny and densely populated country that is the second highest agricultural exported in the world. They have an incredible level of industrial greenhouses. They produce nearly all of their tomatoes without soil right now. The only way that there will be a famine (in non shithole countries) is if people fuck up and we have a massive war or something to that effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 18:04:02 No.12131962 Report

Quoted By: >>12132187

>>12131927
Man I just found out he died this year. More people should read Can life prevail, it's not as edgy as the blurbs make it out to be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 19:26:41 No.12132187 Report

Quoted By: >>12133543

>>12131962
No, but it's piss-weak pessimism dressed up as ecology.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 19:30:46 No.12132201 Report

Quoted By: >>12132308

>>12131937
>second highest agricultural exported in the world

By dollar value. Which is jacked up by expensive veggies and flowers. You need to look at staple food production.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 19:32:23 No.12132208 Report

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Everyone back off. He said "in our lifetime".
So, nope.

mr Chungus

mr Chungus Thu 17 Sep 2020 20:13:07 No.12132308 Report

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>>12132201
They have the best potato productivity in the world. They are the best agricultural scientists of our day and should the need arise I am sure they could just grow that in much larger quantities.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Sep 2020 20:17:35 No.12132318 Report

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>>12129470

They had to... in order to survive!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 02:35:26 No.12133543 Report

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>>12132187
>ecology
ecofascist pseudoecology*

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 02:36:59 No.12133545 Report

Quoted By: >>12133677 >>12134153 >>12135757

>>12131937
where’d this idiot “dutch pro-farmer!” meme come from? holy fuck, go outside, your brain has rotted if you think that the fucking netherlands represent the hope of modern agriculture. ufathomably stupid

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 03:26:18 No.12133677 Report

Quoted By: >>12133691

>>12133545
Who then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 03:31:43 No.12133691 Report

Quoted By: >>12133843

>>12133677
Idk probably the subsistence farmers of Chiapas or some shit, where people grow ACTUAL FOOD in a way that’s actually sustainable.

Everyone here should read “Who will feed us?” by Etc. Group so as to be capable of an informed discussion about food systems science and industrial agriculture

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Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 04:21:36 No.12133843 Report

Quoted By: >>12134265

>>12133691
>Etc. Group
why would i read anything put out by some luddite activist think tank? and fuck your peasant communes in chiapas and your '''''''technological assessment'''''' 1970ies hippie pseudoscience
>human enhancement BAD
>genetic egineering BAD
>nanotechnology BAD
>automation BAD
>subsistence farming GOOD
jesus fucking christ, i can't wait for climate change and resource scarcity to kick in hard. i hope the whole fucking useless global south gets ravaged by it. you fucking deserve WW3. i hope China nukes you and then fucks off to space leaving you behind in your gutter.

mr Chungus

mr Chungus Fri 18 Sep 2020 06:11:59 No.12134153 Report

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>>12133545
I grew up in the states and I live here now. I was in awe of the sheer number of greenhouses. I then looked into it and say that they have the highest productivity per hectare pretty much anywhere in the world.

>if you think that the fucking netherlands represent the hope of modern agriculture. ufathomably stupid

y?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 06:21:14 No.12134186 Report

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>>12127773
Maybe not in our lifetimes, but definitely within 200 years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 06:21:26 No.12134188 Report

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>>12127827
Cheap laborers? It worked with vanilla.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 06:23:12 No.12134194 Report

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>>12127827
Bees aren't the only problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 06:40:56 No.12134265 Report

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>>12133843
You serve machine systems that are going to fail and kill nearly everything.

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Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 06:41:55 No.12134271 Report

Quoted By: >>12134287 >>12134293 >>12135741

>>12127830
It's gonna be a wild ride lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 06:46:14 No.12134287 Report

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>>12134271
Africa’s numbers are stunning, so many young people

mr Chungus

mr Chungus Fri 18 Sep 2020 06:46:47 No.12134293 Report

Quoted By: >>12134300

>>12134271
They won't be able to feed themselves lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 06:49:50 No.12134300 Report

Quoted By: >>12134320 >>12135561

>>12134293
Oh they won't feed themselves, the west will.

mr Chungus

mr Chungus Fri 18 Sep 2020 06:54:42 No.12134320 Report

Quoted By: >>12138726

>>12134300
Many young men (esp in europe) are more right wing than their older counterparts. The pendulum will swing back and the west will not be sending help or accepting migrants in the future.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 15:17:10 No.12135561 Report

Quoted By: >>12135664

>>12134300
They'll find a way to feed themselves. Expect more wars in africa as that ramps up.

mr Chungus

mr Chungus Fri 18 Sep 2020 15:48:28 No.12135664 Report

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>>12135561
why should we care though... assuming we don't take any more of them in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 16:04:11 No.12135741 Report

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>>12134271
Africa will never be allowed to industrialize as long as the established order continues.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 18 Sep 2020 16:06:44 No.12135757 Report

Quoted By: >>12137583

>>12133545
Who hate the dutch so much, germans?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 01:25:29 No.12137583 Report

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>>12135757
Indonesians

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 13:27:00 No.12138726 Report

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>>12134320
Yes, except by 2050-60 in the majority of European countries 50+% of the voting population will be migrant children. Will they vote to stop migration? I somehow doubt it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 19 Sep 2020 13:34:53 No.12138748 Report

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The moment america stops funding literally the entire world to eat dinner with its subsidies, the world will starve.
For at least a couple seasons, even.

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