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Why aren’t we building a shit ton of nuke plants?

Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 22:23:58 2020 No.12112869 View Reply Original Report

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>ecofags constantly crying that we’re pumping out too much co2
>shill solar and wind to no end
>wildly inefficient
>take up a shit ton of space
>if ecofags are so scared about carbon emmissions and the world ending in 12 years then why don’t they advocate something proven and crazy efficient?
>what’s some waste and a nuke accident every 2 decades compared to the world dying?
I really don’t get it and I’m fed up with all the crying and outrage

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 22:27:49 No.12112879 Report

Quoted By: >>12112980 >>12114337

uh because it isnt green dipshit and creates toxic fuckin waste.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 23:05:15 No.12112958 Report

Quoted By: >>12112968

Honestly with the global shut down.. it shows how fast the environment changed.. why not just make factories shut down for the summer in their region. And places are already changing the 24hrs open policies. It is heading in the right direction. Wether people like it or not. The earth is an employee that hasn't gotten a rest since the start of the industrial revolution.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 23:07:02 No.12112965 Report

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>>12112869
nukenuke scawy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 23:08:04 No.12112968 Report

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>>12112958
I knew you Great Reset fucks would start playing this angle

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 23:13:14 No.12112980 Report

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>>12112879
The high grade waste that can't be reused wouldn't fill a football field. The world's nuclear powers could pick an uninhabited volcanic island, dig a deep hole, and safely dispose of their wastes for centuries in it.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 23:47:42 No.12113050 Report

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>>12112869
Thorium and modular reactor fag here. Nuclear as 'not-green' is geopolitical propaganda. It got in the way of transitioning from Bretton woods to fiat frenzy, endearing the world to the fossil fuels bought and sold in USD and kicked back into margin trading interest products as the underlying asset, the eurodollar recycling scheme. Think tanks such as the Aspen institute cooked up a wave of 'muh environment' propaganda, and rushed the creation FEMA ahead of schedule to manage 3 mile island,(1) which i dare say, smells like a false flag.

Today the motive is less clear global petrodollar recycling is a smaller weight as the USD dominates the much, much larger FOREX market, being the middleman of not just oil, but all global trade.

(1) src deblooming the nuclear rose, Century of War: Anglo-american geopolitics and the new world order

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 23:58:58 No.12113076 Report

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>>12113050
Retard here, redpill me a bit more on the differences between liquid Fleuride-Thorium Reactors and Uranium reactors + their waste output please. Also, would it be reasonable to just throw the waste into space?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 00:01:43 No.12113085 Report

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>>12112968

It is not about resetting it is about comprising with the environment. I am not saying stop factory work.. and stop buisness. For decades.. hell no.

But wouldn't it be nice not to work in hot factories during the summer and spend more time with your family.
Or you a dumb shit?

UwU daddy government. Work my ass daily for the rest of my miserable life. So that I have no time for friends or family. Except to say hi... and then be ina nursing home being tosken care of a random person that is only there for a pay check. And have no friends... because you never had time outside of work.

Damn is it hard to take pavlov's training out of people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 00:28:52 No.12113165 Report

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The industrial revolution was evil. It should be ended.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 00:31:38 No.12113174 Report

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>>12113076
Hmm, its been attested that the flouride reactor has short-lived waste, and that it has less transuranic elements, those ones that simply travel to weapons applications. But i suppose the red pill is that, waste recycling is a well known science, and could be done for fuel, but this means access to a whole array of chemical isotopes that are dangerous and hazardous in the wrong/negligent hands

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 00:34:43 No.12113179 Report

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Capitalist governments are owned part and parcel by Capitalist interest groups so there's a lack of political will to do so

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 00:39:16 No.12113187 Report

Quoted By: >>12113196

>>12112869
they're more expensive than solar/wind
but you will likely see an uptick in positive nuclear talk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 00:45:11 No.12113196 Report

Quoted By: >>12113340 >>12113348

>>12113187
Solar and wind cheapness is from government backing and being accepted as intermittent.

Take away the government cheese and other power plants. Then it gets expensive. As you have to build several times the required generation capacity, massive batteries everywhere, and huge grid upgrades.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 01:28:48 No.12113276 Report

Quoted By: >>12113448

>>12113085
I'm not in favor of daddy government forcing you to work in a factory all summer, as I'm a believer in free enterprise and not in a planned economy. In fact that's exactly why I'm not in favor of asking daddy government to shut down all business every summer.
The reason I said "you Great Reset fucks" is because that's the name of the billionaire globalists' movement making the same points as you
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 01:52:52 No.12113323 Report

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>>12113076
URANIUM
---------------------------------------------
Uranium fuel rod
U-235 5%
U-238 95%

when rod is used
U-235 breaks up
U-238 --> U-239 --> Np-239 --> Pu-239

after U-235 portion drops to 0.3%
the rod is used up

waste storage: 10,000 years

Pu-239 can be used to build nuclear weapons

THORIUM
---------------------------------------------
Th-232 --> Th-233 --> Pa-233 --> U-233

U-233 is then used to make pellets

when pellets are used
no U-238 in pellets => no Pu-239 is created
U-233 --> U-232 --> Tl-208

waste storage: 300 years

U-233 can be used to build nuclear weapons,
but only after the U-232 is separated from the mix

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 01:58:16 No.12113335 Report

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>>12113174
>and could be done for fuel
very expensive because the decay chain of 232-U quickly yields strong gamma radiation emitters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-232

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 01:59:57 No.12113340 Report

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>>12113196
>implying nuclear isn't

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 02:03:24 No.12113348 Report

Quoted By: >>12113364 >>12113382

>>12113196
The batteries are the most expensive part

Wind plants are the cheapest and solar is very close to catching up.
Nuclear requires expensive fuel and large, complex engineering projects to produce plants. The plants require specialized knowledge of nuclear reactions to manage.
They also have strictly limited lifetimes due to the inability to properly service them because of radiation.
The decommissioning of the plants are also expensive which is why nobody wants to invest in them.

i would still invest in it because its a vital carbon neutral energy source and has large amounts of interesting/innovative plant designs that havent been commercially proven but have been proven in universities or research labs

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 02:09:40 No.12113364 Report

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>>12113348
https://www.lazard.com/media/451086/lazards-levelized-cost-of-energy-version-130-vf.pdf

page 8

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 02:23:15 No.12113382 Report

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>>12113348
The fuel is cheap. Since you need so little.

The navy now builds reactors that never need refueling. They last the life of the ship. Which is 50 years at least. Reactors run by people with just 2 years of intensive nuclear power education.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 02:32:26 No.12113396 Report

Quoted By: >>12113404

>>12112980
What about the lower grades of radioactive waste?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 02:37:42 No.12113404 Report

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>>12113396
Vitrified and buried in normal landfills.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 02:39:09 No.12113409 Report

Quoted By: >>12113422 >>12113969

>>12112869
Because they're economically infesible, have a massive carbon foot print thanks to the way they're built and would require another century of heavy investment and research to do anything with.

Wind and solar might be "inefficient" but they manage to pay for themselves and have made enormous strides over the past 20 years tech wise in generation and storage. Nuclear has been around for 60 years and not one commercially independent reactor exists.

Plus, if you're giving renewables to a shitstain developing country to solve their energy issues they're not likely to turn it into a dirty bomb are they?

You're fed up with the crying. I'm fed up with faggots like you that don't actually know shit about either technology.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 02:44:36 No.12113422 Report

Quoted By: >>12113455

>>12113409

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 02:48:33 No.12113429 Report

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>>12112869
If ecofags were smart they wouldn’t be ecofags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 02:58:09 No.12113448 Report

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>>12113276
Sorry I didn't know.

But I was just pointing out people work in factories during the winter. Means employees will be warm as they work. And during the summer they can choose to work some where else. Or stay with family.

It is the same thing the rich were doing during the summer... and that is why kids have summer vacation.. based on rich people taking their kids some where more bearable. So.... it is justified for one group over the other.. for no real reason.

And in other countries.. they don't have a summer break. But they do split you between work force and education around middle school and high school.

And idk your position you may be barely paying Bill's. And just dabbling around the net. Or a rich person dabbling around the net.

But it definitely feels like things aren't equal to how people are treated... and yes.. I know "life is not fair" then what is the point of the justice system... ?

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 03:00:01 No.12113455 Report

Quoted By: >>12113487 >>12113504

>>12113422

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 03:08:06 No.12113487 Report

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>>12113455
We're talking electric generation. Not all energy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 03:09:56 No.12113495 Report

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>>12112869
Currently, nuclear power is too expensive to make it worthwhile over other sources of green energy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 03:11:57 No.12113504 Report

Quoted By: >>12113940

>>12113455
The U.S. spends $26 billion annually subsidizing fossil fuels.

... on top of that, the trillions of dollars wasted and thousands of lives lost in Iraq Wars I & II.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 05:52:20 No.12113796 Report

Quoted By: >>12116972

Tards main argument against nuclear power is the waste. Yet they forget that coal creates radioactive waste that's more harmful. Sure, most of it is caught by filters but there's still waste that can't be reused.
Nuclear power will never be a thing. If you cant convince people to wear a mask or allow for 5G towers to be built, how can nuclear be a thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 06:02:37 No.12113817 Report

Quoted By: >>12113881 >>12114001

>>12113364
Why is nuclear still so expensive?

Everything is getting cheaper, but nuclear keeps going up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 06:35:21 No.12113881 Report

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>>12113817
The plants are all past their designed life or approaching that point. Also a hostile regulation environment designed to make nuclear fail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 06:40:38 No.12113892 Report

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>>12112869
>Why aren’t we building a shit ton of nuke plants?
Everyone keeps crying and whining about how we're supposed to get rid of the waste but no one wants to be bothered with trying to solve the problem they all just want to litter the Earth with solar panels and wind generators regardless of them never being truly adequate.

Hyper Industrialisation Guy

Hyper Industrialisation Guy Sun 13 Sep 2020 06:44:09 No.12113897 Report

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>>12112869
>Why aren't we building a shit ton of nuke plants
Cowardice, evil, anti-human elements within our empire. They need to be eliminated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 06:49:12 No.12113910 Report

Quoted By: >>12115916

>>12112869
Natural gas is cheap and building natural gas power plants as fast and cheap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 06:52:36 No.12113917 Report

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>>12112869
Because it's a big fucking stove that needs to be built on important sources of water. Do you think water is easy to find, nigger? The shit heat will fuck up a lot of crops.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 07:01:39 No.12113940 Report

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>>12113504
>thousands of lives lost
who cares, just a bunch of suckers and losers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 07:20:28 No.12113969 Report

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>>12113409
But their economic impact shouldn’t matter when ecofags only care about co2 emissions. If you’re so convinced the world is gonna end in 12 years unless we lower emissions then nuclear is the fastest way to go carbon neutral. And obv you wouldn’t give this tech to 3rd world countries just the first world ones that produce most of the co2 anyways.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 07:39:31 No.12113998 Report

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>>12112869
Planning a nuclear plant and getting permissions takes at least a decade. Building a nuclear plant takes another decade. It will cost you at least $10 billion, probably even more. Your project might be stopped or delayed if there is a nuclear accident or just a different administration.
Building solar, wind or natural gas got none of these problems. There are just 3 years from idea to finished plant.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 07:41:10 No.12114001 Report

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>>12113817
solar and wind are mass produced, this makes everything dirt cheap

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 07:42:16 No.12114007 Report

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 07:43:21 No.12114010 Report

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 07:56:25 No.12114038 Report

Quoted By: >>12115367

>>12114007
Just look at all those quality jobs.
Meanwhile. A small nuclear plant has hundreds of high paying career employees.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 08:13:04 No.12114069 Report

Quoted By: >>12114091

>>12112869
It's too expensive to get them running to the point where they start turning a profit.

In other words, the snail-paced return on investment makes them not economically viable compared to other options.

Further innovations in the industry, such as small modular thorium reactors, will likely change this drastically since they can be built to scale safely and quickly.

I hate to be that guy, but...
/thread
Since this is the best possible answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 08:30:53 No.12114091 Report

Quoted By: >>12114416

>>12114069
Nationalized nuclear power? So it can take the long view and build and run power plants with no concern for profit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 08:51:27 No.12114133 Report

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>>12112869

Because the decision-makers who hold that kind of capital required are too greedy and short-sighted. They have no argument against nuclear that cannot also be applied to defend fossil fuel use against any form of green energy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 10:17:02 No.12114337 Report

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>>12112879
this person has the same number for both their bmi and their iq

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 10:27:27 No.12114363 Report

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Nuclear power is dead and no amount of paid spam here will change that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 10:53:53 No.12114416 Report

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>>12114091

This is what they're doing in China, India, Russia, and other countries that are serious about replacing fossil fuels

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 17:25:41 No.12115367 Report

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>>12114038
>A small nuclear plant has hundreds of high paying career employees.

that's a main reason why it's expensive and almost no new plant is being build for decades

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 20:12:35 No.12115916 Report

Quoted By: >>12116942

>>12113910
fracking can destroy water tables

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Sep 2020 00:24:39 No.12116942 Report

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>>12115916
There isn't a financial benefit to not destroying them, so of course it will.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 14 Sep 2020 00:34:57 No.12116972 Report

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>>12113796
I find it ironic that people forget how carcinogenic oil and coal is too, yet complain about the nonexistent cancer nuclear power gives people

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