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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 20:58:39 2020 No.12109456 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12109483 >>12109524 >>12109586 >>12110767

Serious question. Pic semi-related.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15006492/

Isn't this just effect of haldol's toxic metabolites and they never take patients without toxic treatment into schizophrenia studies, so all we know about schizophrenia is just about side effects of dopamine blockers?

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 21:12:47 No.12109483 Report

Quoted By: >>12109505

>>12109456
abuse of the word "toxic" is a good sign you should take your meds

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 21:24:16 No.12109505 Report

Quoted By: >>12109560

>>12109483
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Haloperidol

See that acute toxic flag?

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 21:32:19 No.12109524 Report

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>>12109456
So much wrong info in one post.

Here is the drug info for Haldol:
https://davisplus.fadavis.com/3976/meddeck/pdf/haloperidol.pdf
It is metabolized in the liver. Nowhere, not even in its rarest of side effects, does it cause liver damage. It is not reccommended for patients that have liver damage because then the drug won't be effective.

Unless you have some organic chem knowledge about haloperidol, this "toxicity" you speak of sounds like soccer mom pseudoscience. The same time of moms that can't even correctly tell you the difference between clean and sterile, or think that they are "the same thing".

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 21:50:44 No.12109560 Report

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>>12109505
>Liver test abnormalities have been reported to occur in 20% of patients on long term therapy with haloperidol, but elevations are uncommonly above 3 times the upper limit of normal. The aminotransferase abnormalities are usually mild, asymptomatic and transient, reversing even with continuation of medication. Instances of clinically apparent acute liver injury have been reported due to haloperidol, but they are uncommon.
There you go. "they never take patients without toxic treatment into schizophrenia studies" my ass.

That spreadsheet is mainly for pharmacologists that work in compounding, not for patients who will already receive a measured out therapeutic dose either in swallowable pill for or deep muscle injection. The worst side effects are from people who are on it long term, which is true for most drug treatments.

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Summer<3 !A4jsQTgi.Q Fri 11 Sep 2020 21:57:42 No.12109582 Report

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Has a lot to do with epigenetics maybe too

"Schizophrenia" is a large cluster of phenomena, and a very hard phenomena to understand.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 21:57:43 No.12109583 Report

Quoted By: >>12110773

You are schizophrenic.

It's somewhat ironic that a significant diagnostic criteria of your disease is delusional thinking. That means that no matter what the most qualified psychologists say, you will never truly understand that you are suffering from a serious disease and will blame everyone but yourself with your schizo rationalization. Your thoughts are immediately recognizable as irrational.

The mental rationalization you have to make to go from a toxic label on the very medicine meant to treat your symptoms(which exists for all medicines, it's the dosage that's important) to thinking it's causing the very same complicated group of symptoms is about as rational as thinking drinking water makes you thirsty. Fuck off schizoposter, take your meds

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 21:58:25 No.12109586 Report

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>>12109456
Schizophrenia has existed since antiquity u dumb shit

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 22:09:20 No.12109619 Report

Quoted By: >>12109791

I still can't get over the stupidity of OP.

>"We think that schizophrenia might possibly come from a mitochondrial dysfunction, we will look into it further."
>DUHH, DRUG TOXICITY???

Fucking unreal.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 23:29:57 No.12109789 Report

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>>12109560
Toxicity is not just liver, antagonists aren't naturally occurring in brain, but substance related to amphetamines is.

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All psychoses almost are prepended by increased cortisol, therefore it's maybe just adenergic kidney thing problem, and have nothing to do with brain,.

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Anonymous Fri 11 Sep 2020 23:31:05 No.12109791 Report

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>>12109619
They are examined patients intoxicated with medication which may cause mitochondrial damage, and it's proven it causes, and blame it for disease itself.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 00:00:19 No.12109853 Report

Quoted By: >>12110751

And taking anti depressants pills.. might cause suicidal thoughts...

What is wrong with the small assumtion?

If feel like schizophrenia.. is more of an overactive pattern recognition.

Like seeing triangles in all these music artists songs. And then saying illuminati.
Or believing aliens descending from the sky to take the Egyptians away.

I feel it is more plausible for the egytians to have left the planet on their own then some being coming down here to save them. Same thing for revaluations.. the expectations of some being or beings coming down to save you.. is less likely then you saving your self and leaving.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 00:04:24 No.12109864 Report

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https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Haloperidol-induces-hypofunctional-effects-on-mitochondria-in-vitro-LCLs-treated-with-30_fig2_283639978

This is wrong, nothing else, haldol demages mitochondria and they blame it on disease, it's not helping anybody but pharmeceutical corporations.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 07:10:59 No.12110751 Report

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>>12109853
>overactive pattern recognition
As someone who's experienced bipolar psychosis, the key word here is "overactive". The patterns you recognize are not as meaningful as they seem, and acting under the impression that they are objectively real is maladaptive in terms of social and societal integration.

The fact is, disability rates for people with psychotic illnesses is through the roof. Schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are not just different mindsets; they are debilitating and isolating, and severely cut the lifespans of their sufferers. They are diseases.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 07:19:49 No.12110767 Report

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>>12109456
Schizophrenia is caused by antipsychotics.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 07:20:56 No.12110773 Report

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>>12109583
How convenient.

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Anonymous Sat 12 Sep 2020 12:33:13 No.12111253 Report

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Cobos, Enrique J.; Del Pozo, Esperanza; Baeyens, José M. (2007). "Irreversible blockade of sigma-1 receptors by haloperidol and its metabolites in guinea pig brain and SH-SY5Y human neuroblastoma cells". Journal of Neurochemistry.

It's basically against human rights, to give somebody this. There won't be new neurons and you are left without all brain repair, good feelings, and stimuli towards being social, everything's just doesn't make sense anymore.

You cannot even observe universe from DMT perspective because it does only very little to you, therefore I have to admit that drugs are mostly combination of various efforts, but DMT is just release agent, that should signal multiple of things, I have it in urine, because my cells know I'm half dead because there's no proliferation mechanism, and I cannot even get it's effect to properly signal what I should feel, and that's bullshit.

Basically on this planet, being human isn't legal since 70, because DMT is endogenous hormone involved in apoptosis and maybe it plays important role in cell replacement, but I've got just dying brain like some model of Multiple Sclerosis or Alzhaimer, but problem is that those are solved, but I never get my receptors back, and I haven't been even proper model so sacrificing myself for science doesn't make any sense from perspective of society.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 02:08:52 No.12113360 Report

Quoted By: >>12113715

>>12110751

Yeah but then I had an IQ of 127. Before going to a mental hospital.

And I still got diagnosed for schizophrenia/bipolar/paranoia... and I do not believe I am smarter then anyone.

I noticed my bracelet had the same pattern as the staff to get through doors. Day 1. And when I slid it across the door. I was able to get through the areas.

But the next day it didn't work...

and the doctor... told my mom I sent a ton of messages to a girl. I didnt tell the girl nor did I tell the doctor. But I did tell my friend the password to my face book over the phone.

A "military" patient talked to me about my Facebook hypothesis... and showed me a choker he pooled from his crotch..

I did not te the nurses nor the doctor... because I feared he would have already gotten rid of the shoe laces by flushing it. And I would be labeled as schizo. And then when the doctor said I could leave but when my mom showed up... she said she wasn't informed of me leaving and she shook hands with the military patient that threatened to kill me. He even showed me he had a paper clip. And a trained person can get through doors with a simple object like that..

I only played games with my mom until the end because if I acted out I knew the doctor wouldn't let me leave. And at the end the nurses came out and said i was able to go home... it was definitely some weird catch 22 plan.. if I acted out from the "military" patient then I was schizo... and if I acted out.. when my mom told me I wasn't going home I would be schizo too.

Do I believe the meds might be helpful for some yes of course. But I never experienced ahead ache until that medicine.. and when I left I kept taking the medicine up until I had a migrane that was so strong it felt like a blood vessel burst.. and I was terrified to sleep.

This isn't really psychology is it? Gas lighting your patients.. simply how did the doctor or the military patient know any thing about my facebook?

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 05:06:22 No.12113715 Report

Quoted By: >>12113719

>>12113360
Most psychiatrists are psychopaths who have no understanding of emotion or being human. One of the symptoms of borderline is "conviction you cannot decide your emotions, but think they happen to you on your own"...

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Anonymous Sun 13 Sep 2020 05:08:56 No.12113719 Report

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>>12113715
It is the purpose of the pils to get you rid of emotions. Because it's perfectly logical - you make a certain emotional display and there are pecise social rules how you are supposed to react to them (with brutal punishments for breaking them).
This us the people who rule the world we luve in.

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