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Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 17:49:50 2020 No.12074037 View Reply Original Report

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Real or fake?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8681911/Battery-encased-diamonds-powered-nuclear-waste-THOUSANDS-years.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2020 18:35:53 No.12074199 Report

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>>12074037
Sounds like they're collecting electrons from the beta decay of carbon-14 to produce a charge. Carbon-14's half life is around 5700 years, so if they can get a usable charge from the device now, it would be reasonable to expect it to be functional for a few millennia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2020 18:39:44 No.12074210 Report

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>>12074037
Also, there's a decent wikipedia article on the concept:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_battery

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2020 18:41:39 No.12074218 Report

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>>12074199
Based dubs, most sensical answer. Disclaimer that in our lifetimes we won\t see barely any improvement in batteries :(

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2020 18:42:24 No.12074219 Report

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>>12074037
As real as thorium powered car.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2020 18:45:09 No.12074226 Report

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>>12074037
Probably really low voltage though, not usefull for anything you'd use. It's also questionable if something like that would be safe to carry around anyways, seeing as it's literally nuclear waste.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2020 18:46:50 No.12074232 Report

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>5 watts of output for 3200 years
>only costs a couple of hundred thousand dollars to make

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2020 19:29:17 No.12074320 Report

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>>12074218
>our lifetimes we won\t see barely any improvement in batteries :(
Eh, superconductice research is promising. In 50 years we may see such batteries sold en mass.

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Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2020 21:09:41 No.12074702 Report

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Pretty sure thundercuck did a video on this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 11:54:50 No.12076535 Report

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>>12074037

Dailyfail is a joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 12:05:45 No.12076548 Report

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>>12074199
This is correct, they're called betavoltiacs and 50 years ago they were supposed to be the new standard for pace maker and hearing aid batteries. Lithium ion tech made them obsolete then but it looks like the idea is getting another go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 12:46:54 No.12076618 Report

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>>12074232
why does it cost so much?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 13:07:15 No.12076659 Report

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>>12076618
diamonds

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 15:01:09 No.12076914 Report

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>>12076659
You can make fake ones yourself. Which isn't really expensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 16:58:52 No.12077249 Report

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>>12076618
Diamond Batteries, Son, very expensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 17:03:52 No.12077265 Report

Quoted By: >>12077509

This could be great for those nanoprobes they want to throw around with lasers as a tiny long term power source.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 18:12:19 No.12077509 Report

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>>12077265
Good luck getting a signal back to Earth with the microwatts (maybe milliwatts if your lucky) that these batteries can provide.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 18:25:23 No.12077551 Report

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Any way to increase the voltage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 18:27:16 No.12077559 Report

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>>12077551
no, it's just a shitty design if you're trying to do anything with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 18:38:51 No.12077588 Report

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>>12074037
My 101 chemistry professor invented a battery that used radioactive decay but the government wouldn't let him sell them because he couldn't guarantee it couldn't be used by terrorists.

So yeah, OP's battery probably works but we'll never ever see it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 18:58:27 No.12077685 Report

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nuclear batteries have been a thing from like 1930 iirc. they are just inefficient as shit, a tad dangerous, big and expensive.
using the electric properties of alpha and beta decay or something photoelectric with gamma seems promising but as far as i remember no one was able to get something stable out of it

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Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 19:00:46 No.12077696 Report

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>batteries
Is there a bigger meme in STEM?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 19:02:12 No.12077711 Report

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>>12074218
Depends on if metallic hydrogen turns out to be a meme or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 20:26:08 No.12078094 Report

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>>12074037
We've known this for a while. Real, but only useful for extremely low-power devices. Not your phone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 21:54:57 No.12078523 Report

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>>12078094
>unironically Dunning Kruger posting on /sci/
What kind of fucking phone do you use? An NJudea GPU?
The NDB model that was just tested are pretty small already. A stack of many of them could trickle charge a surge battery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 22:11:26 No.12078575 Report

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>>12078523
Is using "Dunning-Kruger" instead of "retarded" Dunning-Kruger or retarded?

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Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 22:20:36 No.12078595 Report

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>>12078575
Based grammar nazi

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Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 22:24:22 No.12078606 Report

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>>12078523

phones are radios. radio transmitters use up a lot of energy no matter how efficient the rest of the hardware gets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 22:29:10 No.12078623 Report

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>>12078606

of course, they could make a phone geared toward offline use and texting which would only use the radio in short bursts, rather than spyware, constant shitty app upgrades, NFL scores, voice recognition, etc. but that would defeat its purpose as a time wasting surveillance device.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 22:45:25 No.12078681 Report

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maybe have something like an automatic winding mechanism charge a capacitor while the user walks, which could be used for supplemental radio power when the user sends a text.

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Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 23:01:48 No.12078745 Report

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>>12078623
>>12078606
Maybe that’s why I mentioned “trickle charging a surge battery.”

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 23:05:37 No.12078757 Report

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>>12078745

didn't read all of your post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 00:42:41 No.12079040 Report

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>>12076914
>You can make fake ones yourself. Which isn't really expensive.
Nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 00:44:31 No.12079046 Report

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>>12074037
fake

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 00:46:01 No.12079055 Report

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>>12074199
Dumb fuck. The slower the half life the less energy you get. So no they can’t get any useful charge it’s a big meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 02:29:40 No.12079314 Report

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>>12076659
Diamond prices are a meme. They sell brown diamonds by the ton to make drill-bits and whatnot because nobody wants them for anything else. Supply wise, there's also an abundant supply that is artificially limited because one company owns all the mines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 03:07:47 No.12079389 Report

Quoted By: >>12079393

>>12074037
The phones would explode like a car from fallout.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 03:10:49 No.12079393 Report

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>>12079389
what happened to your phone?
>oh I dropped it and cracked the screen, what happened to yours?
I dropped it and leveled the city

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 03:23:28 No.12079411 Report

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>>12074037
>is this thing written by nobody who spent 4 years in graduation doing jack shit, and who graduated without knowing nothing of anything relevant or meaningless?

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Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 03:42:54 No.12079440 Report

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>>12074037
>dailymail

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 03:52:32 No.12079467 Report

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>>12077249
Diamond is inexpensive

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 03:53:59 No.12079470 Report

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>>12074037

Walking around with a device in your pocket that has nuclear waste in it doesn't seem like the safest thing to do honestly

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 04:01:08 No.12079482 Report

Quoted By: >>12079532 >>12080637

>>12079467
>diamonds are inexpensive meme
kys

>>12079314
>Diamond prices are a meme.
>one company owns all the mines
meme are the people saying that diamond prices are a meme

it is always the same old copy and paste from decades ago. you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 04:08:01 No.12079489 Report

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>>12079470
Well some experimental pacemakers used Plutonium 238 as an energy source, and this was done quite safely. Some of these pacemakers are still functional and remain implanted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 04:09:06 No.12079491 Report

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>>12074037
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDFlV0OEK5E

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 04:25:41 No.12079507 Report

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>>12074037
This shit has been around for years. The problem is
>100uW/g Uranium
We're talking less power than one of those super shitty solar calculators need. It's not even close to enough to keep up with the self discharge rate of a phone's battery while the phone is off. Granted, this is merely a gram of Uranium. With a fucking kilogram of it, you could make an entire milliwatt of power. Holy fuck, battery manufacturers on suicide watch. Call Elon, we've solved the range problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 04:38:01 No.12079532 Report

Quoted By: >>12080564

>>12079482
t. diamond miner

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 07:23:26 No.12079826 Report

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>>12079491
fuck off, thundernigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 07:27:21 No.12079836 Report

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>>12079055
Wow you sure laid out a solid scientifically based argument!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 07:28:22 No.12079839 Report

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>>12076618
>diamonds
>nuclear waste
>highly specialized production facility
>mutants killing the facility scientists and engineers
Lot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 07:30:11 No.12079843 Report

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>>12074037
>dailymail.co.uk
>real
rofl lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 07:36:30 No.12079848 Report

Quoted By: >>12079862

>encased in diamonds
Reminds of the that South Park episode where they discover the cure to aids is money

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 07:45:10 No.12079862 Report

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>>12079848
No. The cure for aids is a coordinated genocide of LGBTQP+ minorities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 08:08:58 No.12079893 Report

Quoted By: >>12079896

>>12074037
Essentially beta decay in a diamond matrix generates electricity. This is also a very safe way to contain radioactive isotopes. Great for low power applications. Even if you break one of these batteries open you will not get a radioactive hazard, and trying to get the isotopes out to make a dirty weapon is nearly impossible.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 08:11:24 No.12079896 Report

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>>12079893
the radioactive carbon IS the diamond, dumbass
that's the entire meme, trying to collect however many kilograms of pure C-14 is fucking impossible

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 14:02:37 No.12080564 Report

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>>12079532
yes i'm the evil guy working for the only company in the whole world that is allowed to mine diamonds

lmao this childish retardation must be really convenient for dunning kruger cases

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 14:38:37 No.12080637 Report

Quoted By: >>12080705

>>12079482
Diamonds can be grown super cheap. Mined diamonds are a meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Sep 2020 15:12:30 No.12080705 Report

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>>12080637
>another clueless retard parroting the same nonsense
zzzz

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