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Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 12:44:12 2020 No.12065893 View Reply Original Report

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What is the biological basis for altruism?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 12:46:21 No.12065897 Report

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>>12065893
No such thing as altruism, everything you or any other living being does is self centered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 12:46:58 No.12065898 Report

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Everyone is altruist until hunger strikes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 12:50:22 No.12065907 Report

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>>12065893
Read "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins.
Altruism on the level of population is actually egoism on the level of genes.
Quick question: would you rather rescue an elder woman or a kid from a fire?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 12:51:59 No.12065912 Report

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>>12065893
it passes the genes along better
protip: that's always the answer

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Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 12:55:07 No.12065920 Report

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>>12065912
explain feminism/leftism/atheism/abortionism/antinatalism/xenophilism/etc then

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:07:49 No.12065945 Report

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>>12065893
What is the biological basis for cancer?
It’s just a bad side effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:08:51 No.12065947 Report

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>>12065920
>Explain defects

They’re defects. Defects happen sometimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:12:59 No.12065951 Report

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>>12065945
Our chances of survival before 30 exponentially increased, now a lot more people get older, those who would have died from genetic illness right away or would have gotten cancer also sometimes survive, then pass off their shitty genes and that's how even kids can have cancer nowadays.

Anyone who had cancer back then died right away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:28:29 No.12065980 Report

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>>12065920
Single cells => multicellular organisms => multi organism organizations => ...
Leftisms are a disaster for the survival of people as individuals, but are great for the survival of states, corporations, etc.
It's just a matter of how much people serve organizations vs how much organizations serve people.
Organizations are basically alien life forms that evolve strategies for farming humans to sustain their own existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:28:53 No.12065982 Report

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>>12065920
These are memes just like god, traditionalism, etc.

>>12065947
See above.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:29:43 No.12065983 Report

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More offspring

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Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:31:45 No.12065989 Report

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>>12065893
It is evolutionary advantageous to be altruistic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:32:10 No.12065990 Report

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>>12065980
>but are great for the survival of states, corporations, etc.

Over twenty communist governments have been destroyed, so uh, no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:33:32 No.12065991 Report

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>>12065907
That's bullshit. You need to look intk game theory. Treat others as well as they treat you is basically unbreakable, and if, it is by something that givesa bit more leevay or benefit of the doubt to break feuds that come from accidental harm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:34:57 No.12065994 Report

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>>12065907
That's bullshit. You need to look intk game theory. Treat others as well as they treat you is basically unbreakable, and if, it is by something that gives a bit more leeway or benefit of the doubt to break feuds that come from accidental harm. Basically help other except those that harmed you, and have mercy where appropriate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:35:38 No.12065998 Report

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>>12065991
That's still self centered, you only treat them well because they treat you well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:35:59 No.12066000 Report

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Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:37:47 No.12066004 Report

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>>12065998
Well yes, you are moral because it's good for you. Sociopaths tend to consume each other when there is more of them together, it's an unstable strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:39:43 No.12066006 Report

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>>12066000
Literally just form a team and kill all the other teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:40:43 No.12066009 Report

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>>12066000
>That's bullshit. You need to look intk game theory.
Dawkins literally refers to Game Theory in his work.
>Treat others as well as they treat you is basically unbreakable, and if, it is by something that gives a bit more leeway or benefit of the doubt to break feuds that come from accidental harm. Basically help other except those that harmed you, take revenge where harm was done but have mercy when appropriate.
I don't really know what are you trying to tell me here, but really, everything is well explained in "The Selfish Gene".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:42:13 No.12066012 Report

Quoted By: >>12066027

>>12066004
Yeah so my argument stands, there's no such thing as altruism. Even when a mother sacrifices her life (the most 'selfless' human act') for her children. It's still self centered. She ensures HER children survive at the expense of everything else, doing anything else would be unbearable, so she does everything to ensure she doesn't experience the pain of losing her children.

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Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:49:22 No.12066027 Report

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>>12066012
Modern women also murder their children in the womb so they can live more soulless hedonism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:53:19 No.12066030 Report

Quoted By: >>12066040

>>12065990
>Over twenty communist governments have been destroyed, so uh, no.
Humans die too.
Death + reproduction was a more effective strategy than immortality + maintenance for complex life.
Communist states die, but they are very good at reproducing, otherwise people wouldn't still keep trying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:53:22 No.12066032 Report

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>>12066006
That won't work, because then everyone else has the perfect motivation to exterminate you.
>>12066009
None of that needs, or is in any way explained by any "selfish gene". It's good for you, as an individual. Being a sociopath is a disadvantage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:55:19 No.12066040 Report

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>>12066030
>otherwise people wouldn't still keep trying
Unironically wrong, NK exists because capitalist countries are altruistic enough to send food to it instead of letting them all starve and implode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:55:37 No.12066041 Report

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>>12066032
>That won't work

Yeah tell that to the other human species. Oh wait we killed them all :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 13:58:55 No.12066047 Report

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>>12066040
How naive are you anon. Nk exists because China and the US don't want to be neighbors. And so does the iron curtain in Eastern Europe for Russia and NATO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 14:00:17 No.12066051 Report

Quoted By: >>12066057 >>12066061

>>12066032
>Being a sociopath is a disadvantage
Politicians and CEOs thrive as sociopaths. You are literally arguing like a naive teenager who doesn't understand how the world works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 14:02:22 No.12066057 Report

Quoted By: >>12066067

>>12066051
Being a sociopath is a disadvantage if there’s too many of them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 14:03:44 No.12066061 Report

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>>12066041
You don't know how we turned out to be the only species.
>>12066051
Yes, sociopaths in the west united against those taking revenge against them, but as I noted above it is still unstable in long term because sociopaths lack the benefit of cooperation and lose a lot on constant fighting of each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 30 Aug 2020 14:05:28 No.12066067 Report

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>>12066057
You have no way of proving that. You can't quantify the contributions, direct or indirect that have come from people with sociopathic tendencies. Heck everyone from antiquity needed such qualities to survive. It's only recently that people pretend to be 'moral' and civilized.

El Arcón

El Arcón Sun 30 Aug 2020 14:27:09 No.12066118 Report

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>>12065893
Altruism is favored on long timescales. It is favored on short time scales too.

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