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Anonymous Fri 28 Aug 20:49:26 2020 No.12059052 View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>12059066 >>12060492 >>12060501 >>12061530 >>12062162 >>12062191 >>12062196

Do SSRIs cause irreversible changes to brain and body? What are some strong arguments against taking SSRIs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Aug 2020 20:54:26 No.12059066 Report

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>>12059052
Some people seem to think they do, but they’ve been shown to reduce the shrinkage of the hippocampus associated with depression, so not taking them if you need them is probably worse. Most of the evidence of “irreversible changes” comes from anecdotal complaints of still anxious and depressed people, while those that have gone off of the meds and been cured seem to not have any problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Aug 2020 20:58:30 No.12059083 Report

Quoted By: >>12060446 >>12062291

I've noted i don't masturbate as often as i used to since i started taking zoloft, went from >2 a day to maybe one in a week if i'm bored

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Aug 2020 23:47:29 No.12060446 Report

Quoted By: >>12060510 >>12062166

I take sertraline too and I can confirm what >>12059083 said. I went down from one-two a day to one every two-three days. Also, masturbation doesn't feel as good as it used to, and I need to stroke real hard to get an orgasm. This is the only negative side effect (or positive, since it can potentially let you last forever in bed in a proper sexual relationship) I've experienced in the long term, but it was entirely reversed when I accidentally remained without medication for a week (antidepressants discontinuation syndrome isn't fun tho). Other side effects usually last one to two weeks when you start therapy and disappears on their own; for me it was anxiety, tension that made me clench my mandible (the muscle ached for quite a while), and sleepiness, but as I said they all went away. That being said, I feel a lot better while on meds and I've been able to go back to studying (doing a master in aerospace engineering).

If your psychiatrist advise you to take SSRI you're quite probably in the position to have no better alternative. It's like you had diabetes and asked what are some strong arguments against taking insulin. Depression is a bitch, and the stigma against psychiatric drugs and mental illnesses makes everything harder: don't fear and follow your therapist's suggestions, they're in your best interest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Aug 2020 23:52:55 No.12060492 Report

Quoted By: >>12060862 >>12061533

>>12059052
>Do SSRIs cause irreversible changes to brain and body?
Yes.
>What are some strong arguments against taking SSRIs?
You already said it.
They're garbage. At best they're useful for short-term help until traditional therapies have a chance to work. But in the long-term they're toxic. Avoid.

Fix your actual problems with your life instead of trying to drug yourself into not caring anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Aug 2020 23:54:42 No.12060501 Report

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>>12059052
I've been on zoloft since late November. I've had depression for a few years at least and looking back possibly as a kid too. On 125mg and the max dosage is 200mg. Anxiety is almost gone compared to before. Suicide ideation and emptiness is way down. The physical symptoms I was experiencing like uncontrollable crying for days and being unable to walk more than few yards without getting tired and I'm a skinny healthy guy.
I couldn't fap at all the first week or so, but back to normal after a month or two. I still have vivid dreams, but it's gotten better.
I've read SSRIs can promote the formation of new neurons to counteract depression, so I guess it changes your brain.
Anyone who takes it is going to have a different experience, but I can say with relative certainty that a bullet through the head would likely cause more irreversible changes to your brain and body

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 28 Aug 2020 23:55:48 No.12060510 Report

Quoted By: >>12060817

>>12060446
About 30 years ago when these first hit the market HMOs and the pharmaceutical companies pushed hard to prescibe pills instead of using traditional therapies because it save the HMOs money and made it for the pharma companies. They didn't care about the long-term consequences of using them they only cared about the bottom line. They were never intended to long-term use they were intended as a stop-gap until other therapies could have a chance to work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 01:04:27 No.12060817 Report

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>>12060510
>traditional therapies
Such as?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 01:05:26 No.12060822 Report

Quoted By: >>12060851 >>12061693 >>12061699 >>12062167 >>12062416 >>12063186

Psychiatrist here.

I prescribe SSRIs to low IQ individuals.

High IQ patients get MAOIs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 01:13:25 No.12060851 Report

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>>12060822
>making dummies smarter
Doing God’s work anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 01:18:47 No.12060862 Report

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>>12060492
>>Do SSRIs cause irreversible changes to brain and body?
>Yes.
Gonna need some sauces on that sempai.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 02:57:22 No.12061062 Report

Quoted By: >>12061079 >>12061116

The main problem with SSRIs is that you never stop taking them. You don't start taking them, feel better, then ween off of them. Big pharma gets you by the balls once you start taking them, and that's that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 03:04:33 No.12061079 Report

Quoted By: >>12061160 >>12061395

>>12061062
>You don't start taking them, feel better, then ween off of them
That's literally what I did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 03:18:50 No.12061116 Report

Quoted By: >>12061395

>>12061062
I stopped taking Zoloft 5 years ago and it completely cured my depression, so...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 03:39:17 No.12061160 Report

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>>12061079
You're literally the exception, not the rule.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 06:02:02 No.12061388 Report

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>>12060862
>Gonna need some sauces on that sempai.
..yeah, good luck with that. The whole pharma-healthcare-industrial complex hides things like that so all you find anywhere is shit that sounds like conspiracy theories and anecdotal evidence.
The only other thing I'm going to say here is, if you're having them pushed on you and you're considering it, don't say you weren't warned.
It's not normal for people to be HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY ALL THE TIME and that's what most of this shit does to you. Known too many people, myself included, who were like zombies, not even really acting like human beings anymore, when they were taking this shit. You're much better off learning to fix what's wrong with your life that's making you unhappy, really, seriously, honestly.
Believe me or not. I've said what I wanted to say here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 06:03:04 No.12061395 Report

Quoted By: >>12061506

>>12061079
>>12061116
What you most likely had happen is you fixed whatever it was that was fucking with your life and making you unhappy so the drugs weren't needed anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 06:43:31 No.12061506 Report

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>>12061395
There are better drugs for that purpose. If that's the narrative, it's a self defeating concept. Go eat some fucking chocolate or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 06:53:46 No.12061530 Report

Quoted By: >>12061543

>>12059052
Naw. I took SSRIs off and on through my teens, 20s and early 30s. Helped me a lot during times of deep depression. Just ween yourself off when you're feeling better. SSRIs don't work alone though, they just stabilize you. You must work with a counselor/therapist to address the emotional issues and once you've worked through them the drugs wont be needed anymore (most likely).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 06:54:47 No.12061533 Report

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>>12060492
>source: my ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 06:55:23 No.12061535 Report

Quoted By: >>12061602 >>12062141

Dr Evangelos Katsioulis, a psychiatrist and neurologist has done studies that show SSRIs basically "treat" conditions by killing brain cells, and therefore pain and pathology associated with behavior.

They don't cure anything, and most neurologists now believe most behavior is influenced by experience rather than something that is genetically determined.

Basically SSRIs and many other "psychiatric" drugs are chemical lobotomies used to push victims of domestic abuse and authoritarianism into line.

The Founder of Psychiatry outlined that the goal of psychiatry is to ensure people stay in line with the economic and social goals of the group, and if people are attacked for questioning those goals and respond with emotional punctuation (in protest), then psychiatrists see it is their duty to subdue the "troublemaker" and ensure the group that outsiders are "insane".

There is no goal in psychiatry to uphold the quest for truth as the primary requirement for sanity; instead, if you look at the APA and WPA definitions for "mental health", they're about conformity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 06:56:47 No.12061543 Report

Quoted By: >>12061599

>>12061530
"muh argument from personal testimony, mate"
THAT'S NEVER SCIENCE YOU JACKASS.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 07:17:18 No.12061599 Report

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>>12061543
Science is based on observation including ones self, retard.
>Muh SSRIs are bad!
Post your proof that they are bad for ALL people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 07:17:40 No.12061600 Report

Quoted By: >>12061606

Anon, so glad I saw this thread. Just finished a long read about trying to get off this kind of shit once you're on it. It's really difficult. Be very wary, only take it as a last resort imo. Try and change your surroundings and circumstance first. Pharma will try and hook you for life. Lots of money in it
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/08/the-challenge-of-going-off-psychiatric-drugs

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 07:18:21 No.12061602 Report

Quoted By: >>12061729

>>12061535
>no source
>claims from a single person
Kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 07:19:22 No.12061606 Report

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>>12061600
>the newyorker is a good source for scientific data
Retard

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Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 07:38:04 No.12061693 Report

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>>12060822
MAOI here.

We are being slaved by the P.

Raise your PP to P on the P.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 07:38:18 No.12061694 Report

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Thanks everyone for your answers! It seems that I will have to make a serious decision after all.

Godspeed everyone struggling with mental health problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 07:39:02 No.12061699 Report

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>>12060822
>MAOI
Does nothing by itself.

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Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 07:45:39 No.12061729 Report

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>>12061602
either noose it or use it
forget the claims, forget the source
tell me what do you think is psychiatry
( you don't need source nor claims - it's your opinion , now if you tell me there is a person "Dr." who you follow and your life be "better" , you are not using your head , fix a broken arm - yeah , cure your eyesight - yeah , make you productive/happy - nah , force you to comply with the group - yea or na? )

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 11:45:24 No.12062141 Report

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>>12061535
Yep. The brain cell killing is partly due to the fluorine base, and partly due to the 5-HT etc being released and oxidized.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 12:02:22 No.12062162 Report

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>>12059052
My sister is a retard zombie with low tier coordination and cant remember basic shit

I'm 150 IQ, highly coordinated with fantastic memory. I also am a self made business man and make 6x what she does.

Were the exact same kind of crazy, the difference is I dont take medications and she was medicated with SSRIs since she was a child.

It's obvious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 12:04:20 No.12062166 Report

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>>12060446
Pussy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 12:05:39 No.12062167 Report

Quoted By: >>12062170

>>12060822
How do they compare to atypical antipsychotics, ssris never helped, Ritalin helped reduce the anxiety but still got perservation issues.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 12:10:11 No.12062170 Report

Quoted By: >>12062177

>>12062167
Have you tried just jogging until you lack the energy for fear? You would be surprised how ones point of view changes based on the available options. There is a reason why the rich inherently prefer better standards of living, the options are available. However, given different circumstances the fulfillment of coping with life would still retain itself. So put yourself in a situation with one or zero options. All of the sudden you stop being a pre-Madonna.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 12:14:12 No.12062177 Report

Quoted By: >>12062183

>>12062170
Jog with what energy or motivation? Physical exercise needs motivation. I can't sleep well on most nights because my mind can't turn off, jumping into every sensory impulse it can find, getting stuck in attention loops I can't get out of. Obsessing over a memory that made me uncomfortable last year. Yeah maybe I'll just try not to be depressed next time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 12:18:26 No.12062183 Report

Quoted By: >>12062188

>>12062177
Jump off a bridge

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 12:20:42 No.12062188 Report

Quoted By: >>12062350

>>12062183
That also needs motivation, granted there are better ways to die and more options to exhaust before I finally do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 12:21:59 No.12062191 Report

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>>12059052
read robert whitaker

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 12:24:14 No.12062196 Report

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>>12059052
There are no strong arguments against taking ssri

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 13:01:54 No.12062291 Report

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>>12059083
Me, I have had almost no side effects from it. Very mundane stuff. Went cold turkey for a few days after a 150mg daily dose, felt nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 13:27:18 No.12062350 Report

Quoted By: >>12062382

>>12062188
You're not self aware and missed the whole point of the statement, so I told you to kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 13:46:39 No.12062382 Report

Quoted By: >>12063130

>>12062350
Yeah I'm going to but not now, and stop projecting your lack of self awareness on me. Telling someone to kill themselves on the internet is a good way to show you know little about suffering or the human condition in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 14:03:08 No.12062416 Report

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>>12060822
You sound like a faggot.

Probably a super edgy teen who likes to think he has super valid opinions.

pffft what a faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 18:28:09 No.12063130 Report

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>>12062382
What did you expect from 4chan?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 18:41:25 No.12063177 Report

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>What are some strong arguments against

What are some strong arguments pro?
Super low % over placebo on blind trials, lots of sides.
You go to the shrink he tells you to take that shit for like 1-2months, you go back and say its not working then it begins, the dose increases and the hoping between different types of SSRIs.
Two years you say you feel better and they are like "Nice SSRIs do work!!"

Just so you better understand the big picture.

>SSRIs increase serotonin.
>There is no conclusive evidence that depression/anxiety is caused by low serotonin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 18:44:34 No.12063186 Report

Quoted By: >>12063201

>>12060822
What is this meme? Keep seing it posted identically in these antidepressant threads so I guess its one person spamming it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 29 Aug 2020 18:49:27 No.12063201 Report

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>>12063186
Yeah I dunno, it's antipsychotics and shit that make your mind dull. Ssri's, especially something as mundane as zoloft, typically have other, inconsequential side effects.

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