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Anonymous Thu 20 Aug 23:12:26 2020 No.12030565 View Reply Original Report

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are the other great apes conscious like us?

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 00:20:17 No.12030778 Report

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yes

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 00:57:03 No.12030936 Report

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All mammals are conscious because of the neocortex

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 01:14:38 No.12031006 Report

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Even bugs are conscious. I've seen it. Get a magnifying glass and watch. They have conscious reactions to things. They just don't have the same facilities or understanding or scope or concepts. Consciousness is a white board and theirs is much smaller and has less written on it but it's clearly there.

If you're talking about the superconsciousness or mindfulness of humans no they don't.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 01:17:31 No.12031017 Report

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>>12030565
anything with a nervous system is conscious, if you're asking about self-awareness then yes it seems that most primates are self aware.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 01:17:59 No.12031018 Report

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>>12030565
“consciousness” is a very poorly defined word. there are no empirical tests that can solidly identify consciousness. so my rule of thumb is just go by utility. for example, i have no problem slaughtering and eating cows because they are delicious. it has nothing to do with weather cows are “””conscious”””

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 01:24:51 No.12031050 Report

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>>12030565
You've got it backwards nerd.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 01:37:49 No.12031078 Report

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>>12030565
>Like us
Yes, so that means none of them are conscious, neither are we.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 01:58:47 No.12031124 Report

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I think we might not be conscious per say, but we are data processing machines. We process input via our sensory systems and our brains.

We also have a form of reflection and meta processing due to our inner mind.

We don't have free will. probably. We are just clockwork data processors in a clockwork universe.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 02:01:01 No.12031127 Report

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>>12031124
We don't really exist either.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 02:07:30 No.12031135 Report

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>>12031006
How do you distinguish conscious reactions from non-conscious reactions? Are self driving cars conscious?

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 03:36:18 No.12031317 Report

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>>12031078
he knews

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 11:45:45 No.12032158 Report

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>>12031135
there is no difference because consciousness is not some mystical shit only human brains have 100% of it
consciousness is environmental awareness

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 14:12:10 No.12032449 Report

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>>12032158
How do you explain qualia with just environmental awareness?

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 14:55:07 No.12032535 Report

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>>12032449
>qualia
unscientific

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 15:02:27 No.12032550 Report

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>>12032535
That's not an argument. Just because something happens to be untestable doesn't mean we should think it doesn't exist. Do you also believe nothing exists outside the observable universe?

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 15:20:37 No.12032586 Report

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>>12030565
>conscious
Yes

>consious like us
No

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 16:27:05 No.12032764 Report

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>>12030565
jane goodall would say yes and she knows what she's talking about

>>12032550
jeez just fuck off to /x/ with your pseudomystical mumbo jumbo

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 16:27:10 No.12032766 Report

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>>12032550
>not an argument
Bro you're in the scientific board, fuck off with your magic bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 17:12:27 No.12032942 Report

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>>12032550
I am the reincarnation of Napoleon.
Just because it happens to be untestable doesn't mean you should think it isn't so

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 18:17:48 No.12033234 Report

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>>12032764
>>12032766
Only illiterate stemlord dumbfucks would confuse philosophy with mysticism.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 18:19:42 No.12033242 Report

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>>12033234
the deepak chopra books are in the next aisle, dum dum

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 18:20:40 No.12033246 Report

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>>12033242
I fucking love science!!!

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 18:21:45 No.12033254 Report

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>>12033234
Says the manchild that has never set a foot in a philo class

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 18:26:33 No.12033274 Report

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>>12030565
more so

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 20:37:07 No.12033659 Report

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>>12031135
>Are self driving cars conscious?
No there is no evidence that a device running computer code is conscious.

>>12032158
Total brainlet take you are retarded

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 20:41:53 No.12033670 Report

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>>12033659
What would count as evidence?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 20:49:32 No.12033685 Report

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>>12033246
yes, this board is /sci/ - science & math
did you not realise? or do you think the people here should hate science, like you clearly do?
take your little cartoons and fuck off

qualiakiller

qualiakiller Fri 21 Aug 2020 21:40:21 No.12033836 Report

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>>12033659
>Total brainlet take you are retarded
prove me wrong then, bitch boy

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 22:26:30 No.12033953 Report

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>>12030565
Yes, those who believe otherwise just try to feel better while treating other living organisms like objects.
What I hate the most are humans pretending they're more than apes, while they behave like them while wearing clothes and using technology.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 22:49:00 No.12034020 Report

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>>12030565
No, I haven't heard of any primate that committed suicide before (and I don't mean accidental "suicide")

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 23:03:48 No.12034059 Report

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Animals might have small degrees of consciousness but they don't have the philosophical self-perception that humans have. An animal, such as a dolphin or maybe a chimp, can recognize itself as a being, but it can not think of itself thinking of itself, that only a human can do.

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 23:12:29 No.12034078 Report

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>>12030565
Absolutely. Their brains are almost the same as ours

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 23:22:18 No.12034106 Report

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>>12034020
>No, I haven't heard of any primate that committed suicide before (and I don't mean accidental "suicide")
How is suicide correlated to consciousness and how do you explain the results of the mirror test?
Mirror test confirms not only the animal is conscious, but also self-conscious.
There are some cases of animals lower than apes committing suicide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_suicide

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Anonymous Fri 21 Aug 2020 23:57:16 No.12034182 Report

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>>12034020
>argument from ignorance
>>12034059
>argument from stupidity

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Anonymous Sat 22 Aug 2020 00:21:47 No.12034262 Report

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>>12034059
Other animals are capable of recursion

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