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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 21:58:44 2020 No.11995117 View Reply Original Report

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mic. drop.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 21:59:09 No.11995121 Report

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>>11995117
https://www.quantamagazine.org/there-are-no-laws-of-physics-theres-only-the-landscape-20180604/

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:01:22 No.11995136 Report

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PHYSISHITS BTFO

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:31:12 No.11995204 Report

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>>11995117
post modernism
>objectivity does not exist
>only subjectivity

It's the feminine mind in action. Seeing headlines like this indicates women having more social influence.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:36:17 No.11995219 Report

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>>11995204
wow, that's a 3rd person ad hominem sexist attack if I ever heard one. Why not critique the concepts instead of this weak ass male piggish response?

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:44:00 No.11995233 Report

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>>11995219
Where was the insult?

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:45:03 No.11995236 Report

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>>11995233
that females aren't objective.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:46:11 No.11995238 Report

Quoted By: >>11995243 >>11995248 >>12002121

Yeah. I could have told you that. The search for a theory of everything is futile. It will never be found. Because it isn't there.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:47:39 No.11995242 Report

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>>11995121
>Robertus Henricus "Robbert" Dijkgraaf FRSE is a Dutch theoretical physicist and string theorist.
>string theorist.
opinion discarded

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:48:26 No.11995243 Report

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>>11995238
>Because it isn't there.
chuh!

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:49:15 No.11995248 Report

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>>11995238
there is a difference between theory of everything dne and laws of physics dne.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:49:27 No.11995249 Report

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>>11995242
ad hominem also discarded.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:50:22 No.11995250 Report

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>>11995249
i'm sorry but string theory is unfalsifiable bs that has no place in science.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:54:43 No.11995261 Report

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>>11995250
that's fine, at least you are talking about the concept now and not the person.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:55:05 No.11995264 Report

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>>11995219
>sexist attack
Band name

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:55:35 No.11995265 Report

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>>11995261
because a creationist isn't responsible for peddling creationism.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:57:31 No.11995273 Report

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>>11995264
What genre of /mu/sic do we play?

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 22:58:55 No.11995278 Report

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>>11995273
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSKizLRFbTo

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 23:37:16 No.11995406 Report

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>>11995236
That's a fact though

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 23:42:12 No.11995425 Report

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>>11995117
>true and vaguely interesting thoughts being conflated with postmodern libtardism for (you)s
Please stop that. This is just pointing out that logical systems defined from dissimilar axioms can be equivalent or only differ in small untested ways.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 23:42:21 No.11995426 Report

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>>11995406
tell it to the young lady astrophysicist who discovered the black hole IRL

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 23:53:49 No.11995466 Report

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>>11995426
exceptions are not the norm

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 23:55:46 No.11995472 Report

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>>11995250
Falsifiability is not the metric for science.
Read Feyerabend.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:01:23 No.11995489 Report

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>>11995426
>>11995466
it was a white or asian guy who wrote 70% of that code, forgot which exactly, she just took the credit. also dont feel like digging through my women folder with 3000 images.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:06:03 No.11995502 Report

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>>11995472
>some faggot pomo
opinion discarded

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:09:11 No.11995511 Report

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>>11995489
>being such a jaded incel you have a collection of 3000 incel anti-women infographics
bruh

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:10:35 No.11995518 Report

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>>11995502
>>some faggot pomo
False

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:12:17 No.11995525 Report

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>>11995489

Not them but that's how shit works regardless of sex. The lead takes the most credit and those that work under at best get their names included on the publication and rights to include on their resume.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:14:33 No.11995530 Report

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>>11995518
doesn't matter

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:14:45 No.11995531 Report

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>>11995525
>the advisor who does jack all of the work gets the credit
sounds like academia alright

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:16:00 No.11995534 Report

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>>11995518
>False
>Falsifiability is not the metric for science.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:19:22 No.11995543 Report

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>>11995117
>the relativity of science

STEAM instead of STEM still means you incel faggots won't get any. No girl likes a guy that needs to be pegged to cum.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:25:21 No.11995565 Report

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>>11995531
Thing is, she was the one who actually developed the algorithm that made the photo possible, at least, that's what I've been told.

Theoretical work > codemonkeying work

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:35:56 No.11995596 Report

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>>11995248
There are no "laws of physics", there are merely mathematical statements that have predictive power. There are plenty of mathematical statements that have no predictive power.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:37:02 No.11995600 Report

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>>11995565
You should go do some research. There were multiple algorithms.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:38:03 No.11995603 Report

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>>11995596
What does 2+2=5 predict?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:40:11 No.11995610 Report

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>>11995603
That you're a nigger or as smartass.

Or, it could be one of those
>mathematical statements that have no predictive power
I'm gonna lump it as that, until you can find me a case where it can describe some sort of phenomena. If you do, you won't find some magical aethereal "2+2=5" floating around.

You cannot have a bucket of "the laws of physics".

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:51:34 No.11995639 Report

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>>11995565
>The CHIRP algorithm was developed to process data collected by the very-long-baseline Event Horizon Telescope, the international collaboration that in 2019 captured the black hole image of M87* for the first time. CHIRP was not used to produce the image, [6] but was an algebraic solution for the extraction of information from radio signals producing data by an array of radio telescopes scattered around the globe. [3][7] Stable sources (that don't change over short periods of time) can also gain signal by integrating the change at each location with the rotation of the earth. [3]:915 Because the radio telescopes used in the project produce vast amounts of data, which contain gaps, the CHIRP algorithm is one of the ways to fill the gaps in the collected data. [8][9]
>Katherine L. Bouman, Michael D. Johnson, Daniel Zoran, Vincent L. Fish, Sheperd S. Doeleman, William T. Freeman (June 2016). "Computational Imaging for VLBI Image Reconstruction". IEEE Conference on Computer Vision and Pattern Recognition (CVPR). June 2016: 913–922.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:53:08 No.11995644 Report

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>>11995596
>Scientific laws or laws of science are statements, based on repeated experiments or observations, that describe or predict a range of natural phenomena.[1]

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:54:37 No.11995649 Report

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>>11995639
>First name in publication
Yeah, codemonkies forever btfo

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 00:59:57 No.11995668 Report

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>>11995649
>Sheperd S. Doeleman, William T. Freeman
>codemonkies

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 01:02:53 No.11995672 Report

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>>11995649
>>First name in publication
>Common Methods for Listing Authors
>Relative contribution. As mentioned above, the most common way authors are listed is by relative contribution. The author who most substantially worked on the draft article and the underlying research becomes the first author. The others are ranked in descending order of contribution. However, in many disciplines, such as the life sciences, the last author in a group is the principle investigator—the person who supervised the work.
>Negotiated order. If you were thinking you could avoid politics by drowning yourself in research, you’re sorely mistaken. While there are clearer practices for designating first and last authors, there’s no overriding convention for the middle authors. The list can be decided by negotiation, so sharpen those persuasive argument skills!
>Negotiated order.
>Negotiated order.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 01:06:30 No.11995681 Report

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>>11995649
>>First name in publication
>her project
>goes to guys to work out the math
>gets name listed in first place
>couldn't have done it without the guys you call codemonkies

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 01:08:18 No.11995684 Report

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>>11995672
I dont even know what you guys are arguing about, but in math we arrange authors in alphabetical order

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 01:12:00 No.11995690 Report

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>>11995684
given how pussy-whipped stem has become it begs the question how much of chirp was her contribution.
https://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 02:01:15 No.11995811 Report

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>>11995117
Physics is a spectrum!

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 02:05:04 No.11995815 Report

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>>11995690
yet again, the giant-winged women-hating faggot anon glidin' through the thread.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 02:14:50 No.11995824 Report

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>>11995117
is this what that dude was talking about on joe rogan with the boiling pot of water analogy for the big bang, and how other universes could have totally different physics on a fundamental lvl

hard to tell with his guests in an area of science you arent properly schooled in because he gets a lot of quacks on who arent respcted in their field

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 03:37:32 No.11996031 Report

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>>11995824
You don't belong here. Go back to plebbit.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 03:48:37 No.11996052 Report

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>>11996031

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 04:11:46 No.11996090 Report

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>>11995489
Lmao no. MIT just used her picture for the press release and got attention. She never claimed to be the person who did all the work and always talked that it was an effort of a large team.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 10:01:36 No.11996631 Report

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Well we literally cant know everything as black holes being universums Information Wells have gathered more info than this meager planet and its inhabitants is capable to produce or find out during its lifetime.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 10:41:33 No.11996684 Report

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>>11995117
This really just goes to show the mathematical wankery involved in modern physics isn't really getting us anywhere closer to the truth. The whole "wow mathematics was invented by humans yet it describes the universe soooo well!" thing is circular reasoning bullshit.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 10:42:47 No.11996687 Report

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>>11995249
>Ad hominem
Do you even know what that means or do you just parrot everything like a good little plebbitor?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 10:44:39 No.11996690 Report

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Here's something to think.
How do we know that our math is the correct one and universal?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 10:46:14 No.11996695 Report

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>>11995117
but equivalent models say the same thing, though

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:34:41 No.11996889 Report

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>>11996684
Mathematics is discovered, not invented.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 14:21:23 No.11997114 Report

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Sweet, so physics war crimes are still on the table?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 14:46:02 No.11997179 Report

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>>11995596
>There are no "laws of physics"
They're called laws by definition.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 14:48:07 No.11997187 Report

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>>11995534
>Falsifiability is not the metric for science.
What is then?

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 15:37:54 No.11997313 Report

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>>11995425
this

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 15:39:11 No.11997322 Report

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>>11997187
There isn't one.
Scientific Naturalism is false.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 17:00:48 No.11997548 Report

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>>11995204
that's a very retarded definition of postmodernism. postmodernism is any set of ideas that is the synthesis of modernism and any antitheses (dark ages, futurism, etc). the fashtrads are postmodernists since their ideal society is a modern one but with pre modern values

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 17:52:04 No.11997696 Report

Quoted By: >>11998492

>>11995472
>Falsifiability is not the metric for science
Falsifiability is at the very heart of science. If a theory disagrees with experiment, then it must be improved upon or rejected outright. This is how me made the shift from luminiferous aether to Special Relativity via the Michelson-Morley experiment.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 21:12:45 No.11998365 Report

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>>11995426

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 21:20:33 No.11998404 Report

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Its still the only game in town. Stay mad, or offer a better hypothesis.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 21:24:27 No.11998424 Report

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Yes, science magazines meant for the public are also going to do clickbate! What a shock! That's why if you want yo really understand a topic you should not only engage in pop sci crap.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 21:28:49 No.11998436 Report

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>>11995117
so basically just characterization, no problem with that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characterization_(mathematics)

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 21:38:25 No.11998465 Report

Quoted By: >>11999724

>>11995117
>a vast landscape of abstract counting possibility
Physishit journalists deserve death.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 21:48:25 No.11998492 Report

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>>11995472
>>11997696
Oh look it's like philosophical questions about the nature of things are controversial! Who could have imagined it!

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 21:51:48 No.11998507 Report

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>>11995117
I'm only interested in theories that trigger the establishment inbreeds
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rf6SQXLCr2c

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 21:52:24 No.11998513 Report

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>>11995117
Wrong

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 01:05:09 No.11999158 Report

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>>11997548
You mean post modern values? Because gay rights are not pre modern

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 01:29:31 No.11999218 Report

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>>11995117
so we got physics wrong?

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 05:20:02 No.11999721 Report

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>>11998513
Wrong

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 05:21:38 No.11999724 Report

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>>11998465
You don't even know what you're talking about

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 17:17:44 No.12001387 Report

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>>11995204
This

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 17:36:27 No.12001440 Report

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>>11995690

It's worse than I thought. American academia is fucked. The US is on its way to becoming a 3rd world country - once you've killed off STEM it's not something that can be fixed.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 18:53:34 No.12001661 Report

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>>11995489
>she took credit
source?

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 19:10:08 No.12001701 Report

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>>11999218
Just make the data fit the model.
Everyone forgot that physics describes reality and then got lost in mathematical beauty and grant farming.
I dont mind it btw its like alchemy in the modern age.
Oh this works but we have no idea why besides this insane theories that stand on glass legs.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 19:11:11 No.12001703 Report

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>>12001701
describes nature*

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 19:18:15 No.12001724 Report

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>>11996052
that pic is below even reddit, go back to facebook actually

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 19:22:01 No.12001732 Report

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>>12001701
if everyone gave the honest explanation, "we don't know", they'd lose popularity with their following of objectivist narcissists. or perhaps it's because of their own narcissism.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 19:46:12 No.12001785 Report

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>>11995426
>discovered the black hole IRL
Stop posting on /sci/ you belong here https://www.iflscience.com/

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 21:16:51 No.12002052 Report

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This is what happens when a Humanities major gets high and watches a few videos on Youtube.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 21:32:49 No.12002094 Report

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First of all, the article isn't even written by a woman. Secondly, that isn't even what postmodernism is.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 21:34:53 No.12002100 Report

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>>11995204
First of all, the article isn't even written by a woman. Secondly, that isn't even what postmodernism is. Ignore the other post where I accidentally didn't reply.

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 21:38:09 No.12002107 Report

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>>11995121
>food analogies
dropped

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Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 21:41:49 No.12002121 Report

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>>11995238
*blocks your path*

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Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 01:36:00 No.12002720 Report

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>>11996889
The Axioms of Mathematics are Invented to match physical discoveries
Hence Mathematics is invented

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