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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 02:27:59 2020 No.11975219 View Reply Original Report

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Should science be forced to adhere to morals and ethics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 02:29:18 No.11975225 Report

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yeah...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 02:30:06 No.11975228 Report

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>>11975219
No. Science will inevitable break down any semblance of morality once we begin to realize, that to get anywhere, we will need to perform unethical experiments.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 02:33:10 No.11975232 Report

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We need ethics to maintain safety and so we can be happy knowing some duplicitous won't start opening factories down the river in the name of progress
But then again progress does need sacrifice, that Russian scientist who transplanted a dog head to another made massive bounds in science for a degree of cruelty
See the film "Extreme measures" it sums these line if thinking up quite well

El Arcón

El Arcón Wed 05 Aug 2020 02:34:46 No.11975234 Report

Quoted By: >>11975448 >>11975498

>Should science be forced to adhere to morals and ethics?
A better question is whether or not the Lord is the arbiter of all things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 03:42:37 No.11975448 Report

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>>11975219
Both science and morals/ethics are ultimately tools, not an end in themselves. Pick your goal and use each as appropriate.
>>11975234
What God says is good and evil does not have to have any effect on what humans consider good and evil. One of the two influences human behaviour more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 03:44:31 No.11975452 Report

Quoted By: >>11975494

>>11975219
define "morals and ethics"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 03:57:44 No.11975494 Report

Quoted By: >>11975682

>>11975452
morals=“stories people say about what you should do”
ethics=“logical conclusions about what one should do based on a framework that defines what achieves good”
it’s all humanities bullshit but you gotta do it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 04:00:32 No.11975498 Report

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>>11975234
Have you heard of the Euthyphro dilemma?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 05:07:23 No.11975682 Report

Quoted By: >>11976678

>>11975494
>should
>good
sure is spooky here

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 09:53:49 No.11976313 Report

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Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 12:11:34 No.11976597 Report

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>>11975219
>forced to adhere
I don't think morals should be able to overrule scientific results (reality), but our morals should guide what and how we investigate and utilize results.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 12:13:42 No.11976603 Report

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yeah experimenting on humans without their knowledge is bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 12:44:46 No.11976659 Report

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>>11975219
Science is just concerned with making pretty little models that seem to conform to the subjective aesthetic appearances in our mind. It is no different from morality or ethics in the sense that is isn't objective and is just a social construct.
So yes, it should.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 13:02:07 No.11976678 Report

Quoted By: >>11976686 >>11979576

>>11975682
Would you prefer.
>A set of policies constructed to increase positive outcomes while reducing negative externalities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 13:05:07 No.11976686 Report

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>>11976678
>positive outcomes
>negative externalities
Dont exist. Spooks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 15:01:58 No.11976989 Report

Quoted By: >>11977032

>>11976659
QM

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 15:26:53 No.11977032 Report

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>>11976989
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 15:28:57 No.11977040 Report

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Should shitposting be forced to adhere to copypasta and baiting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 15:47:09 No.11977093 Report

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>>11975228
Ethics doesn't limit to stall science, it limits to give a better roadmap to science. There's no reason to get stalled at human/animal gene experiments when we can have it done faster virtually. There's no reason to stay stuck on nuclear weapons when computer and ai is more effective. This kinda post is why science majors should be forced to read or get lobotomized. I hate seeing "science cool" bros talk about genetically modifying flies to have legs for antennas. It's creepy and disgusting and I'd torture those scientists if I could.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 17:55:48 No.11977512 Report

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>>11977032
QM is ugly and confusing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 18:44:16 No.11977752 Report

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>>11977512
QM = debunked larp

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 19:15:06 No.11977870 Report

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>>11976686
The idea of spooks is itself a spook.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 19:40:04 No.11977952 Report

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>>11975219

You are making a category error. Science is no more to do with morals or ethics than knitting. Science is about finding out how nature 'works' the rest is engineering. You might just as well enquire if 'colorless green ideas sleep furiously'.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 19:42:27 No.11977960 Report

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>>11977512
It is a formalism we use to model the subjective aesthetic appearances of experiments in our mind.
There is nothing about QM that is contrary to my original post.
>>11977752
False.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 05:20:09 No.11979576 Report

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>>11976678
That's alright I guess but I think it needs to be specified that these beliefs are specifically held by a certain group of people, and you can't really straight up say positive since it's more like this group of people thinks it's positive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 05:21:48 No.11979581 Report

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>>11977093
You're fucking retarded.
Yes it will always be slower/more inefficient to find alternative methods of doing something that is so fucking basic logic I don't get how you can't understand it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 05:23:58 No.11979583 Report

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>>11975219
>forcing science to conform to the idiotic beliefs of the mindwashed consumeristic material entertainment addicted populace who think nothing but what the last Hollywood™ movie taught them to believe
No, that would obviously be restricting development why would we do that exactly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 18:09:27 No.11981114 Report

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>>11977752
>QM = debunked larp
It's an extremely successful theory. Drove most of the technological advances in the 20th century.
>>11977960
>It is a [pretty little] formalism we use to model the subjective aesthetic appearances of experiments in our mind.
What are you talking about? People hate QM, but they cannot argue with the results.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 19:27:56 No.11981359 Report

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>>11975219
which morals and ethics are you talking about tho...

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