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Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 18:42:03 2020 No.11957411 View Reply Original Report

>anon, what are YOU doing to cure the diseases of old age?
>you ARE working on anti-aging research... a-aren’t you anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 18:44:23 No.11957418 Report

Quoted By: >>11957834

>>11957411
Thymus involution and calcifications caused by the excessive calcium intake.
Iron overload / manganese deficiency results in diabetes. MnSOD starts harming cells instead of protecting them when iron gets in the place of manganese.
Copper deficiency. Results in dementia.
Many enzymes seem to be evolved for cobalt, rather than zinc, but they contain zinc under supposedly normal conditions. Cobalt is used for doping in both human athletes and racing horses, suggesting it might be essential outside B12.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 20:03:28 No.11957640 Report

Quoted By: >>11957858 >>11957884 >>11958276 >>11958297 >>11961933 >>11963710 >>11968560 >>11968805 >>11968813

I'd rather have a cure for depression, spending eternity in this life would be hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 20:52:51 No.11957834 Report

Quoted By: >>11959216

>>11957418
Calcification is caused by an inability of the cell to reject calcium, which happens due to cell stress. In fact, the parathyroid hormone that is necessary during hypocalcemia of low calcium intake causes stress, so low calcium intake also causes calcification

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 20:53:43 No.11957838 Report

Quoted By: >>11958297

>>11957411
I have stopped eating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 20:58:26 No.11957858 Report

Quoted By: >>11958297 >>11968421

>>11957640
do something instead of surfing the web retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 21:05:09 No.11957884 Report

Quoted By: >>11958297 >>11968421

>>11957640
>depression
just stop being sad you fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 22:49:10 No.11958276 Report

Quoted By: >>11958297

>>11957640
I'm sure you will figure out, how to get better and healthier. Good luck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 22:53:20 No.11958297 Report

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>>11957838
You shouldn’t do that for too long anon

>>11957640
>>11957858
>>11957884
>>11958276
This isn’t a therapy thread, take it to /r9k/.
Solving the side effects of curing aging (aka eternal depression) is a related but separate topic to curing aging itself

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 22:53:36 No.11958299 Report

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>>11957411
What benefit to society would the elimination of aging even bring? It would just allow for the nextgen Boomers to control the young population and make it harder for society and humanity to progress.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 22:54:35 No.11958306 Report

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slowly i am but not fast enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Jul 2020 23:34:12 No.11958428 Report

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>>11957411
>you ARE working on anti-aging research... a-aren’t you anon?
Living longer than 60 years is for pussies

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Aug 2020 01:29:31 No.11958689 Report

Quoted By: >>11966627 >>11966714 >>11966803

Don't donate to SENS research foundation, all it does it fund Aubrey De Grey's alcoholism. He's said multiple times on camera that he drinks at least 6 beers a day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Aug 2020 01:32:54 No.11958705 Report

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>>11957411
why would i ? just let other people do it and buy the chinese brand

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Aug 2020 03:56:34 No.11958947 Report

Quoted By: >>11963180

People should die, immortality will be bad for everyone

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Aug 2020 06:11:01 No.11959216 Report

Quoted By: >>11959552

>>11957834
It takes two Mg ions to export a Ca ion. So it's too much Ca or too little Mg.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Aug 2020 06:20:23 No.11959245 Report

Quoted By: >>11968397

>>11957411
I plan to. Right now I'm struggling at community college. I'm 20 years old.

But I'll eventually make it to a university and either major in Biochemistry or Regenerative Medicine.
All in all, so long as I have access to a lab and learning materials, I think I'll be happy in life (even if I end up flipping burgers for a living).
Hopefully it won't come to that though.

I love biology and chemistry, and I'd like to live as long as possible.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 01 Aug 2020 06:20:33 No.11959246 Report

Quoted By: >>11966863

>>11957411
NO. YOU GON' DIE NIGGA

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Aug 2020 09:56:21 No.11959552 Report

Quoted By: >>11961383

>>11959216
Co2 (produced during metabolism) rejects calcium from the cell

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Aug 2020 22:05:53 No.11961383 Report

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>>11959552
What do you mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 00:14:21 No.11961933 Report

Quoted By: >>11968421

>>11957640
kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 00:23:27 No.11961964 Report

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>>11957411
Absolutely nothing.
Kleptoparasites already live too long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 03:31:03 No.11962459 Report

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>>11957411
why? when I die it's game over so why does should it matter? there is nothing here to have reason to live forever? make this place better and sell your snake oil to that utopic sucker

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 09:35:38 No.11963066 Report

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>>11957411
Yes, but it's not going well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 10:35:30 No.11963180 Report

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>>11958947
suck a juicy fat cock

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 15:08:03 No.11963710 Report

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>>11957640
I have a similar issue but I figure if true antiaging technologies are created, then it just makes it all the more likely that I'll find happiness in that greater amount of time given to me. It's pretty much a net-win.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 15:14:10 No.11963718 Report

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>>11957411

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 15:19:04 No.11963724 Report

Quoted By: >>11966551

>>11957411
You can't escape entropy, deterioration and death are inevitable. At some point prolonging the inevitable is worse than embracing it. There's a point at which using finite resources on the old comes at the expense of the young. There's a reason death is biologically encoded. Renewal and all it entails is good for the species.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 17:04:20 No.11964025 Report

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>>11957411
?
? ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 17:37:10 No.11964182 Report

Quoted By: >>11965145

>>11957411
stop fearing death retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 19:04:14 No.11965145 Report

Quoted By: >>11965505

>>11964182
Stop worshipping death, nigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 19:26:35 No.11965505 Report

Quoted By: >>11965581 >>11966085

>>11965145
acceptance isnt worship

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 19:33:15 No.11965581 Report

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>>11965505
That's a defeatist attitude, believing we can't break the natural death barrier is the same as believing we can't make planes as humans were born as land animals and weren't made to fly.

Not wanting to die in less than 80 years due to muh natural death ? wanting immortality

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 20:02:39 No.11966085 Report

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>>11965505
Yes it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 20:06:53 No.11966135 Report

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>>11957411
Don't know who the eceleb in the OP is but I'm studying genomics and molecular biology and I will do my PhD in a couple years here and hopefully be focusing on aging.

What are you doing besides shitposting, OP? I'm on your side but spamming too much will just scare people away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 20:09:50 No.11966193 Report

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>>11957411
I'm working on the legalization of euthanasy, pretty sure it's a way more efficient use of effort than trying to make people immortal.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 20:44:01 No.11966551 Report

Quoted By: >>11968756

>>11963724
>You can't escape entropy, deterioration and death are inevitable
Then why doesn't everyone just kill themselves right now if extinction is the end result anyway? Or into old age when quality of life is reduced? Everyone says "death is natural just accept it" but even decrepit elderly will use every tool of modern science to cling onto every single second. Why is is not selfish to push average life expectancy from 30 to 80, but it IS selfish to push beyond that?

If you want to just say it's not possible to do then fine, it's hard to argue against with where medicine is currently at. But every "Philosophy of Death" argument is nonsensical so long as you delay your own death with every breath you draw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 20:48:37 No.11966581 Report

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>>11957411
I was old. I wanted more time. Bodies constructs, minds are programs. Uploaded my program into the Shroud, to cheat death. Succeeded. Failed. Trapped in my prototype.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 20:58:40 No.11966627 Report

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>>11958689

based?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 21:14:41 No.11966714 Report

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>>11958689
Six beers a day is like 5-10 bucks a day at most, let the man drink.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 21:33:49 No.11966803 Report

Quoted By: >>11968299 >>11968325

>>11958689
This but unironically. Every personality like Aubrey or Liz Parish behind this life extension grift is a millionaire that is conning desperate people out of their money and more people need to start punishing them for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Aug 2020 21:47:11 No.11966863 Report

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>>11959246
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 06:47:19 No.11968299 Report

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>>11966803
I din't care if he drinks beer, but his approach seems to lead to nowhere. It's basically as if you wanted to maintain a car without knowing anything about how it works and why cars break down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 06:59:23 No.11968325 Report

Quoted By: >>11968330 >>11968420

>>11966803
How do you get that from him? He was independently wealthy from his parents and had millions of dollars before he donated most of it to SENS. And the best way to make money is to have actual products that work and generate income, that's why SENS spins out start-ups, the idea is that they will become profitable and then in turn fund SENS themselves.
Your argument lacks logic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 07:00:41 No.11968330 Report

Quoted By: >>11968337

>>11968325
>The rich would never try to grift anyone!!
What are you, 12?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 07:04:21 No.11968337 Report

Quoted By: >>11968343

>>11968330
Nice strawman Anon, really shows a good level of cognitive ability. It's a pretty fucking shitty grift where you lose 90% of your inheritance in return for an unpaid position in an organisation and some shares in companies that you purport will go nowhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 07:07:41 No.11968343 Report

Quoted By: >>11968349

>>11968337
It's not a strawman, you retarded faggot, it's literally how the rich hoard more wealth. Our entire society is built on the rich stealing from the poor, you fucking simp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 07:09:06 No.11968349 Report

Quoted By: >>11968391

>>11968343
Anon you can just admit that you have 0 justification for what you're saying other than an inherent dislike. I'm not saying you have to like him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 07:35:36 No.11968391 Report

Quoted By: >>11968395

>>11968349
How about Liz Parrish's little stunt? Or the fact that SENS has done a total 180 on its mission statement of "ignoring the diseases of old age, and treating aging itself" to chase down the scary Alzheimer's bucks? Or the fact that every other billionaire is starting up one of these companies that never go anywhere, but milk millions before they quietly disappear like a fart dissipating from a room.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 07:37:30 No.11968392 Report

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>>11957411
If there is no life there is no disease

That is my plan

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 07:38:33 No.11968395 Report

Quoted By: >>11968398

>>11968391
Liz Parrish has nothing to do with SENS and is a businesswoman.
You may as well include David Sinclair et al. if you're just going to lump everyone in the anti-ageing space together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 07:39:13 No.11968397 Report

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>>11959245
>struggling at community college

Ngmi

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 07:40:03 No.11968398 Report

Quoted By: >>11968430

>>11968395
This is from 1992. What has the "life extension" scam done in 30 years?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 08:06:14 No.11968420 Report

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>>11968325
>And the best way to make money is to have actual products that work and generate income,
We need somebody who wants to cure aging, not just make some money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 08:06:36 No.11968421 Report

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>>11957858
>>11957884
>teenage zoomers
>>11961933
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 08:15:30 No.11968430 Report

Quoted By: >>11968589

>>11968398
You blame deGray incorrectly, he specifixally rejects approaches like that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 08:18:57 No.11968438 Report

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>>11957411
death is the only good thing to come from the pandoras box of life

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 08:33:12 No.11968466 Report

Quoted By: >>11968495 >>11968543

I dont give a fuck about anti-aging, I was meant to die. Let the bald fuck and the memester take anti aging drugs, enjoy your 800 years of going to the office everyday to deal with the same old bullshit before you inevitably go insane or blow your brains out of boredom.

Me I will be experiencing various existences across entire universes and all it takes for me to be able to do this is to die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 08:50:44 No.11968495 Report

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>>11968466
The sooner the better, brainlet-kun

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 09:19:08 No.11968543 Report

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>>11968466
Have a sense of proportion. Things are going to change drastically in 200 years if things go well. Your projecting your wageslavery filled 80 year lifespan on the future. Perhaps you'll be the one to benefit the most off of these anti-aging therapies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 09:23:22 No.11968553 Report

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>>11957411
I always get told I need to "grow up"
I think I might be onto something...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 09:32:24 No.11968560 Report

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>>11957640
How Can You Be Depressed Like Nigga Just Smile LMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 09:53:55 No.11968589 Report

Quoted By: >>11968654

>>11968430
No I don't. And no he doesn't. He himself said what I already stated. Go to their website right now and they're whining about Alzheimer's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 10:41:10 No.11968654 Report

Quoted By: >>11968705

>>11968589
I don't see anything like it on their pages, only something about collagen crosslinging, something about the expression of mitochondrial DNA and COVID. (which kills the elderly because it loves iron and old people tend to have much higher iron stores)

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Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 11:27:09 No.11968705 Report

Quoted By: >>11968749

>>11968654
Yes, I'm sure it's the iron, not the fact that they're old as shit and have one foot in the grave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 11:56:30 No.11968749 Report

Quoted By: >>11968757

>>11968705
It is the iron because even young people with high iron levels die of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 12:01:13 No.11968756 Report

Quoted By: >>11968773

>>11966551
>Then why doesn't everyone just kill themselves right now if extinction is the end result anyway?
Read the rest of my post.

>Or into old age when quality of life is reduced?
Because it's illegal in most countries.

>Why is is not selfish to push average life expectancy from 30 to 80, but it IS selfish to push beyond that?
Read the rest of my post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 12:01:21 No.11968757 Report

Quoted By: >>11968769 >>11968772

>>11968749
I'm very sure you've solved why infectious illness disproportionately kills the elderly. No wonder you believe in this snake oil catshit. Just fucking look how dumb you are. They could tell you it was because old people tend to have cats more often and you'd cream yourself spamming the """news""" all over 4chan (reddit).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 12:07:55 No.11968769 Report

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>>11968757
>I'm very sure you've solved why infectious illness disproportionately kills the elderly.
It's a major way it kills described in published papers, not something I came up with. It seems to specifically seek iron, people with high iron levels have high risk of dying, one of the proposed readons why some countries are left unaffected is the widespread iron deficiency, which protects from covid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 12:09:51 No.11968772 Report

Quoted By: >>11968774

>>11968757
>I'm very sure you've solved why infectious illness disproportionately kills the elderly.
It's a major line of research described in published papers, not something I came up with. It seems to specifically seek iron, people with high iron levels have a high risk of dying, one of the proposed reasons why some countries are left unaffected is the widespread iron deficiency, which protects from covid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 12:10:37 No.11968773 Report

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>>11968756
>There's a point at which using finite resources on the old comes at the expense of the young. Renewal and all it entails is good for the species.
What's the point of even having young and reproducing? The end result is extinction anyway, whether we reproduce or not.

Either life is inherently worth fighting for, or it's not. There's no more a rule that 80 years is a rough limit on human life than there was a rule that half of all infants must die in childbirth for the other half to succeed. All you're defending is the natural order that you're used to, without considering that it's just as foreign to most of our ancestors as life extension is to you. It's not the default, nor the ideal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 12:10:47 No.11968774 Report

Quoted By: >>11968787

>>11968772
Yeah, I'm sure. Just cure it with magnets!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 12:19:56 No.11968787 Report

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>>11968774
What teason do you have to mock it? The extreme iron levels in those that would later die were noticed months ago. The mortality curve matches the ages when people often start suffering from disordered iron metanolism. And it is nothing unique for an infectious disease to thrive on iron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 12:31:46 No.11968805 Report

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>>11957640
it's already cure by PE-22-28

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Aug 2020 12:37:36 No.11968813 Report

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>>11957640
The nost common causes are dietary. Wrong Ca/Mg ratio (lower is better); copper deficiency, manganese deficiency. It mostly comes from the citric acid cycle slowing because of the deficiency, which makes cells downregulate energy consumption, not anything "psychological".

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