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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 00:26:45 2020 No.11948148 View Reply Original Report

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>"Race isn't rea...ohh"
Why are all humans stuffed into the "Homo sapien sapien"-subspicies instead of classifying them like all other animals?
I mean we all agree that for examble inuit and pygmies are diffrent enough to justify it,right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 00:29:07 No.11948153 Report

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>>11948148
SJWs unironically do not believe that pygmies exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 00:32:20 No.11948158 Report

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>>11948148
Ask the Jews, we don't know why

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 00:32:36 No.11948159 Report

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>>11948148
We're all able to bread with each other to produce fertile offspring. When two animals can do that they're considered the same species.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 00:34:03 No.11948163 Report

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>>11948159
>We're all able to bread with each other to produce fertile offspring.

So denisovans, neanderthals, erectus etc. are all the same species?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 00:34:23 No.11948165 Report

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>>11948159
>We're all able to bread with each other to produce fertile offspring
to an extent, the birth ratios get a bit screwey though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 00:35:15 No.11948168 Report

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>>11948159
That's not how you define species

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 00:35:18 No.11948169 Report

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>>11948159
Say that to a phylogeneticist.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 00:39:53 No.11948182 Report

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>>11948159
>When two animals can do that they're considered the same species.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 00:43:40 No.11948192 Report

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>>11948148
It's more the implication of it. Sure, scientifically races could be subspecies, but drawing that distinction just gives more fodder to racial puritans and isolationists. It's a case of having to lie because people will just use the implications as tenuous justification for radicalised jus sanguinus law and genocide (unless you can name another reason beyond "muh consistency" for it).

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 00:44:46 No.11948195 Report

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>>11948159
This is why (((they))) don't teach cladistics at high-school. To keep people saying this sort of PC nonsense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 00:46:08 No.11948199 Report

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>>11948159
>sci still doesnt know the species problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 03:34:38 No.11948668 Report

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>>11948153
What do you mean, how? Provide examples im curious

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 03:42:01 No.11948692 Report

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Mean Fst between 42 Human populations was found to be 0.133.

Mean Fst between the 28 most popular dog breeds was twice that of Human races, at 0.26, with a high of 0.46.

https://academic.oup.com/jhered/article/94/1/81/2187309

So using genetic distance as a parameter, Humans don't classify as different breeds, let alone species.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 03:48:10 No.11948709 Report

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>>11948668
Check the Warhammer controversy on the pygmy race. Most people think pygmies are a racist invention by white supremacists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 03:48:42 No.11948710 Report

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>>11948692
Do you have the source for the human populations it'd be an interesting read

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 03:50:37 No.11948714 Report

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>>11948148
Something something something clines and also that's racist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 03:50:45 No.11948715 Report

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>>11948159
There are many animals that can produce FERTILE offspring that are clearly distinct species.
Grolar Bears = Grizzly and Polar bears.
Ligers =Tigers and Lions.
Coywolf= Coyote and Wolf.
The females of Big cat hybrids (domesticated cat and wild cat) are fertile, the males are not.
Science is a bunch of bullshit. They are obviously lying bigtime. 40,000 years is the bare minimum time we were separated.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 03:51:23 No.11948717 Report

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>>11948710
The History and Geography of Human Genes (1994), Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 03:53:24 No.11948722 Report

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>>11948148

We have never separated a species into 2 or more with DNA so closely related. Even at the level of Inuit to Hadza, the genetic variance is so fucking low that it would be stupid to categorize them as different species. You're simply basing it off of phenotype (as a means of justifying racism, most certainly), when the reality is that the outward expression is but a minuscule portion of the overall "human-ness".

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 03:56:43 No.11948729 Report

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>>11948148
who is spamming this board with racist bologna?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 03:58:30 No.11948734 Report

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>>11948722
>justifying racism

It is not racism. It specism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:01:38 No.11948740 Report

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>>11948715
The criteria anon is referring to is outdated and has been questioned, but to be fair, it classifies the boundary between species as "not able to produce fertile offspring *in their natural environment*".

Ligers, grolars, coywolfs don't happen in the wild, they have only been observed in captivity.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:06:50 No.11948750 Report

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>>11948734

Even the two most distant human settlements from the "out of Africa" theory are still more closely related genetically than any other two species on Earth. There is literally no reason or evidence to separate humans into separate species.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:06:55 No.11948751 Report

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>>11948717
From what I was able to read from my absolute dogshit pdf copy is that they're only tracking a few genes and not doing a proper comparison which is fair enough given when it was done

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:10:55 No.11948762 Report

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>>11948148
species don't really exist, they are just arbirtrary biological lables put to the versions we currently know of animals. Animals are constantly evolving, and although it happens very slowly and sometimes certain genetc combinations are stable very stable, there are very many places in the animal kingdom where it would be impossible to know where one species started and another began without intense genetic analysis, thorough debate, and ultimately some sort of scientific consensus.
That is not to say that human populations are all the same, and that their isn't a massive correlation between an individuals closest genetic group and his ethnicity.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:15:24 No.11948777 Report

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>>11948762
>species don't really exist, they are just arbirtrary biological lables put to the versions we currently know of animals.

I agree. Only retarded leftists and creationists defend species essentialism nowadays. This is why they are so obsessed with "race", "species", and other labels. They have a pre-Darwinian worldview.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:16:25 No.11948779 Report

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>>11948717
That's a comparison of 100 polymorphic genes which is incredibly small and while a good way to track those genes throughout the human population out of africa is a poor measure of genetic distance and gene variation for a proper genetic comparison

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:17:33 No.11948783 Report

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>>11948779
If you have a better study, by all means post it.
No infographics please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:17:59 No.11948785 Report

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>>11948159
Our species is the children of God. We are all one species: offspring of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:18:49 No.11948787 Report

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>>11948762

This, 2bh. It's ridiculous looking at a phylogenetic tree because we never label the "transitional species". Which I know is a term used by creationists. But what I'm getting at is that we are never able to properly place any species at the "nodes" of a tree. We're never able to say that this animal then evolved into this animal.

Even though this was likely the case with many of the species we have fossils of, we just say "this species and this species share a common ancestor and the both branched from this common ancestor 'here [at the node]'".

It kinda pisses me off, in actuality. I've studied evolution and biology and genetics for years -- but I still can't say "oh ya, this animal then led to this animal."

We have a very detailed fossil record of the evolutionary history and pathway that led to modern whales. Why can we not say that one of those animals we have fossils of eventually evolved into a whale?

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:26:52 No.11948801 Report

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>>11948783
I don't think we've finished any proper studies into it although the various human genome projects will hopefully yield the data within the next decade or sooner if it ever gets popular

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:29:01 No.11948805 Report

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>>11948148

How does it feel to slowly lose your shred of middle class economic power, honkey?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:33:02 No.11948814 Report

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>niggers are human
This is the mistake everyone is making. They are not.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:41:16 No.11948830 Report

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>>11948814
I have to agree on that. Niggers should be treated by vets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 04:47:07 No.11948842 Report

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>>11948785
if you're going to poison the well, at least be creative about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 05:02:57 No.11948883 Report

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>>11948692
>Mean Fst between the 28 most popular dog breeds was twice that of Human races
How is that even remotely useful? Why not just compare two similar breeds if that's the baseline so to speak.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 05:51:24 No.11949000 Report

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>>11948715
None of those hybrids are fertile you smoothbrained cretin

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 05:54:31 No.11949013 Report

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>>11948148
go back to >>>/pol/ faggot

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 05:55:58 No.11949015 Report

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>>11948148
We are all the children of God

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